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After Brexit, Northern Ireland may obtain a special status in the EU


Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #151

You know...when you wanted Poland to win WWIII against Germany supporting the Brits in their biggest stupidity was rather an own goal!
Miloslaw
20 Aug 2018  #152

Just more German arrogance........you don't even realise you are doing it.....
Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #153

Just more German arrogance

*yawn*

Is that really your only "argument"? Because you are repeating it...and it get's boring...try a bit harder.
Miloslaw
20 Aug 2018  #154

No need to Sausage man.....you have been exposed for what you are.
Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #155

Please explain...

Do you have a problem with my arguments or that they come from a German? I'm totally sure you can find them being made by a non-German the same way. They are pure facts and logic quite internationally.

Oh and what exactly is the difference between "German arrogance" and...say...."British arrogance"...or "French arrogance"...or "Marsian arrogance" ?

If you have a problem with Germany and Germans generally I fear you are in the wrong thread...there must be a forum out there where you can happily whine and gripe with other Poles about the dastardly Germans...
TheOther
20 Aug 2018  #156

as in the past,time we Brits teach you a few lessons

That tired, old "Two world wars and one world cup"? How cute.
WW1 ... bailed out by the Americans. WW2 ... bailed out by the Americans, Poles and Soviets. 1966 ... bailed out by a Soviet referee. LOL!
Miloslaw
20 Aug 2018  #157

But you don't like me repeating myself.......oh,OK,just for you mein gutte freunde,
You are an arrogant German that thinks Germans and Germany are the best and should tell everyone else how to behave....
Just like your old Austrian chancellor.....
Leave us alone......we know what we are doing.....nobody in Britain cares what Germans think......
BTW,latest poll says another 500,000 increase to the Brexit vote inThe UK......we don't care.....and in the long term,Germany will suffer big time.
Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #158

*epic eye roll*

The war is long over, you know...well...poor guy, can't get over it!

Just a hint to end this non-discussion....if you really see this as a war with Germany, them "arrogant Germans"...the MUCH smarter move would had been to take over the EU from the inside, taking the leadership of Europe away from Berlin, bringing it back to London, where it of course belongs...a Churchill would had achieved that...but now? You waved the white flag, declared defeat and left the battlefield like losers!

Live with it!
Miloslaw
20 Aug 2018  #159

As I said,I'm cool with it.
But why are you getting so upset?????
Lol!!!!!
Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #160

And why do you claim british historical successes for yourself, as you are a Pole only living in GB?
Tacitus
20 Aug 2018  #161

The UK owes its' past successes to their pragmatism. They knew which fights were worth picking up, and what was in their long-term interests. Sadly this ability has been lost to them and know they have themselves being lead into perhaps their biggest blunder in their modern history.

And it's not Little Britain,it's Great Britain......something you will have to get used to again..... Gutte Nacht Freunde!

Good night, and sweet dreams of future glory. You are in for a rough awakening.
Miloslaw
20 Aug 2018  #162

Don't try to divert the discussion because of your failure to counter my comments....
I am British born,of Polish parents.....mixed loyalties I guess....that's the trouble with being a mongrel....
So,what about German failures?
Of which there have been many.......
You started this Sausage Man....... :-)

Tacitus,
Another arrogant German.....what a surprise......Germans are worried about Brexit,
Because with the loss of The UK it means that the only main financial contributors to The EU are Germany and France.
And The Germans,quite rightly,don't trust The French......and The French don't trust The Germans,quite rightly,oh what a wonderful EU.....

Glad to see the back of it next March.
The Germans will learn another bitter lesson.....
Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #163

I am British born,of Polish parents.....mixed loyalties I guess....

No, what you are is a EUROPEAN....a case in point for all of my argumentation. We all are EUROPEANS...the last decades have brought people together like no other.

How many Poles live and work now in Germany? Millions? Maybe they are also claiming german successes for themselves too, who knows. Heh:)

But that is the reality of the future, Europeans wandering freely, settling down, living and working where they want, mixing...the european identity is developing slowly, that's why we have a good shot to become one Europe, and we have to act as one.

Of course Europeans watching the continent through the prisms of gone times, still fighting the old wars are not helping. Here the Poles...there the Brits...over there the Germans...that's hopefully a thing of the past. That's why the whole Brexit is a thing of the past...but people living in the past are the losers of tomorrow...you can call it "german arrogance" all you want, it's still true.

Try to get your head around it...

Don't try to divert the discussion because of your failure to counter my comments....

PS: I'm the only one with arguments between us...it's you whose only counter "argument" is my "german arrogance"...
Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #164

Just for your information.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_Germany

What are you gonna tell THEM? Many of them are born here, identify with Germany or have a least "mixed loyalties".....do you wish them the worst too? Would you blame them for their "german arrogance too" because they see and prefer the freedoms the EU brings them?

Especially in Berlin "scratch a German and you find a Pole".

Don't you get how surreal and ridiculous your "argumentation" based solely on nationality and past wars has become?
Miloslaw
20 Aug 2018  #165

Sausage Man,
I quite like your dream of Europe......yes,we are all Europeans....we share many things......but we can still be independent European states and STILL support and help each other.

I don't hate Germans,though like most Europeans,I do hate your arrogance.....like Schumacher's self contended grin when he won his 1,000th Grand Prix....I'm kidding!!!!!But you must know what I mean.....

I just think this whole experiment has failed....it was badly thought out and people thought they could lie to us and make it happen....

The lies were a big problem for us Brits....EEC,EC and then EU.....we knew we were being lied too and didn't want to be a part of a United States of Europe......USA speaks one language. ....are Germans prepared to accept English as their national language?

No,I'm sure they are not,and why should they?
I give The EU as it is now,10 years max.....
Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #166

and STILL support and help each other.

As it happened when?

I give The EU as it is now,10 years max.....

And then?

Look at a map....without the EU we are back to square one...it's a few biggies and alot of tinies...who will be the winner? I tell you, it won't be us Europeans!

And if you hate that "german arrogance" now, what will it be without the EU? Germany the lone biggest biggie of them all...there will be alliances...those on the side of Germany...or France...or even Britain...and up the walls go...the fight starting.

Do we really have to go through all that again?
Tacitus
20 Aug 2018  #167

Because with the loss of The UK it means that the only main financial contributors to The EU are Germany and France.

And Spain. And Italy. The Beneluxcountries and so on. As a typical Brexiteer, you are exaggerating the Uks' importance to the EU.

statista.com/statistics/316691/european-union-eu-budget-share-of-contributions/

Another arrogant German

What of my post was arrogant? Pointing out that the UK was always very pragmatic is hardly anything surprising, you always were when choosing your battles. And every possible forecast indicates that Brexit will harm British position in the world.

And The Germans,quite rightly,don't trust The French......and The French don't trust The Germans,quite rightly,oh what a wonderful EU

You should stop seeing the world in stereotypes. There is no other alliance between two countries of that size in the world. France and Germany share a very close alliance, and if anything our cooperation deepens.

You behave like a typical Brexiteer. You have no solid argument why you believe Brexit will be success, you disregard the looming problems, and you justify it with an outdated and jingoistic view on Europe.

USA speaks one language.

You do not need one language to succeed. India has roughly 50 (without checking). I have no doubt that English will be the working language of Europe, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Bratwurst Boy
20 Aug 2018  #168

PPS: The german football team just got totally humiliated in Russia...if that wasn't a knock down of our "german arrogance" than what is!

(You should have heard me bragging about us being Weltmeister during the last four years...oh you would so have hated me!!!)

*goes crying*
Dirk diggler
20 Aug 2018  #169

Slogans like "Pure Poland, White Poland!" are hardly open to interpretation.

Except that's not what the eu commie globalists said, I believe it was that troll with a train wreck for a face verhofstadt or the other unelected commie juncker. He said 60k fascists in Warsaw those were his words.

And yes numerous outlets including german ones like dw and a uni study PROVE that migrants caused crime to spike namely violent crimes. Perhaps there's less in 2017 and 2018 than the year before, but it is a FACT that crime has gone up since the migrants flowed to germany, as DW points out.

dw.com/en/german-study-links-increased-crime-rate-to-migrant-arrivals/a-42006484

According to the study, which was conducted by the Zurich University of Applied Sciences and paid for by Germany's Ministry of Family Affairs, police witnessed an increase of 10.4 percent in reported violent crimes in 2015 and 2016. More than 90 percent of the increase (not of total violent crimes) was said to be attributable to migrants.

See that, 90% of the 10% increase is because of migrants. But maybe you should tell zurich university to stop lying.

So great maybe crime overall is down in 2017 2018 but it's still higher than it was before the migrant crisis but the amount of rapes, terrorism, knife attacks etc increased from before the migrant crisis and Merkel welcoming all the third world witch doctors and mud hut engineers.

Second, yes there were absolutely instances were girls were told not to wear skirts for fear of provoking the migrants and for the girls safety - namely to not be raped as in the cucked mind it's better to take away freedoms and make the citizens already there suffer and change their way of life instead of not taking in migrants who can't control their urges.

i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/76383-150627-fearing-syrian-refugees-german-school-bans-miniskirts

thelocal.de/20150626/refugee-school-calls-for-uniform-modesty

But atleast the men can still wear skirts...

thedailybeast.com/meet-the-dad-who-wears-skirts

Only in germany... Diversity Macht Frei!!!

There is no other alliance between two countries of that size in the world.

China Pakistan, Iran Syria Russia, us Israel, Poland and v4, Russia Belarus, saudi Arabia us...

New alliances and new rivalries are made regularly. Most people wouldn't of thought Turkey is posturing closer to Russia (even militarily) and China due to the tariffs despite being in nato. Neither could most people imagine saudi arabia and israel being allies.

You have no solid argument why you believe Brexit will be success, you disregard the looming problems, and you justify it with an outdated and jingoistic view on Europe.

If it means UK having it's independence and sovereignty rather than be a vassal for the EU and the leaders of it that no Pole or Brit voted for thags a great success right there.

You know back in the late 80s there were poles, ukrainians, Slovaks, kazakhs etc who thought leaving the USSR and becoming independent would be a bad thing. They too were concerned about economic stagnation and rightfully so. All their economies contracted in the years after ussr collapsed and when they declared themselves sovereign and independent. For some countries they experienced a big economic slowdown even for 7 10 plus years or even longer. Polands economy fell by something like 10% the yeae poland went from prl to democracy. Yet few would go back in time and say we shouldn't of left and stkll be beholden to Moscow. Well it's the same with UK and EU. The voters showed that they would take economic burden for a few years to be free of Brussels and gradually repair their economy and currency albeit this time by themselves without unelected commisars meddling and tons of rules and regulations.
Tacitus
21 Aug 2018  #170

China Pakistan, Iran Syria Russia, us Israel, Poland and v4, Russia Belarus, saudi Arabia us...

None of those are nearly as deep as the alliance between France and Germany. Which was my original response to Miloslaw claim that the French and Germans distrusted each other.
cms neuf
21 Aug 2018  #171

If the Brexit voters voted for something like early 90s Poland then they really are in for a shock - I can't imagine the new Wembley being turned into something like X-Leica used to be !

It is a ridiculous comparison - the USSR and Poland were both bankrupt in 1989. Neither Britain nor the EU are and they have high standards of living and Britain had good growth until 2016.

Most of the Brexit voters did not vote for either short term or long term economic decline - it was mentioned nowhere in the leave campaigns lit or broadcasts. Many of them though the gift was either lying or scaremongering about the effects. A large number voted against immigration and another group voted for the lie that it would save them money that will be spent on the health service.

Again - please define what you mean by a "few years"
Miloslaw
21 Aug 2018  #172

And Spain. And Italy. The Beneluxcountries and so on. As a typical Brexiteer, you are exaggerating the Uks' importance to the EU

Your stats are meaningless without looking at what countries get out of The EU.

This shows the real truth;

uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-eu-members-net-contributions-and-net-funding-2016-12

It clearly shows that Spain,Italy and Belgium take more than they contribute.

You lied.

Even France takes more than she puts in!!

The only major net contributors are Germany,UK,NL,Sweden and Denmark.
Atch
21 Aug 2018  #173

Actually probably closer to 2 3 plus centuries. The British even fought 2 wars to keep pushing drugs onto the Chinese.

I said modern China Dirk. I'm aware of their past history. Ever heard of Hong Kong?

Do you mean the East Indian Trading Company.

The East India Company, not Indian - and no, I don't.

And yes, there is a trade deficit but the Chinese market is opening up to imports. There is a demand for goods and services from Western Europe. Would you believe that Ireland has a huge trade balance in our favour, a few billion euros from our business with China. So if little Ireland can do it, no problem for the UK. The UK doesn't need the EU to make it a credible business partner. I'll be sorry to see them leave the EU while we're still in it, but Britain will be fine. They'll weather the storm and come through ok.
cms neuf
21 Aug 2018  #174

France is a net contributor both according to your table and to all other info. In some years France has contributed more than then the UK.

Italy is as well a net contributor according to your table.
Miloslaw
21 Aug 2018  #175

You are right,I thought the x marked contributions but it is net contributions.

And Spain. And Italy. The Beneluxcountries and so on. As a typical Brexiteer, you are exaggerating the Uks' importance to the EU.

OK,so I read the chart wrong.

But Belgium is not a net contributor and most members of The EU take out more than they put in.

Only Germany,UK and France make large net contributions.
cms neuf
21 Aug 2018  #176

You should look at it in terms of population and not in terms of number of countries

On that basis you have Germany, UK, France Netherlands Sweden circa 250 million people which is roughly half of the blocks population.

Is that so different from London funding the north of England? Or from New York funding Mississippi ?

In any case as I have said many times it is incorrect just look at it as a zero sum game based on contributions. The trade and tax benefits far away the governments contributions - You are about to find that out, or rather your descendants will as they will be the people who have to foot the bill.
Atch
21 Aug 2018  #177

No, his descendants won't because he's not British. Go figure.........as he'd say himself. Now, when have you ever heard a Brit use that expression? But who on this forum uses it regularly?? Bells ringing yet?
Miloslaw
21 Aug 2018  #178

Someone will still have to make up the UK's contribution when we leave and Germany will not want to lose it's biggest export market.

Long term we will be fine.

Wrong guess Atch.

I am exactly what I say I am,an Anglo Brit.

How many Yanks would know about "County Kilburn"??

"Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner"...............Lol!

You are awful,but I like you!
Tacitus
21 Aug 2018  #179

and Germany will not want to lose it's biggest export market.

The preservation of the Common market and EU take precedence over any consideration Germany might have over the EU. German companies have already signalized the chancellor that this is much more in their long-term interest.

Btw the UK is Germany's 4th largest trading partner.

worldstopexports.com/germanys-top-import-partners

It is in the end up to the UK whether it wants a deal or not.
cms neuf
21 Aug 2018  #180

The UK is not Germany's biggest export market - both the US and France are considerably larger. In any case there is insufficient time now to achieve anything meaningful before March, mainly due to the idleness of the Brexit ministers who seems more focused on leadership battles than even half preparing the country for the disaster they have created.

The UKs contribution will of course have to be made up by other countries, The UK has a parallel problem - now to tell t be farmers and regions that were EU beneficiaries what will happen to subsititure their payment.

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