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After Brexit, Northern Ireland may obtain a special status in the EU


Miloslaw
16 Jan 2019  #481

I once holidayed in Brittany with my Welsh brother in law who cannot speak a word of French.

As a tease my sister and I sent him to the bar to get the orders in only to witness him return with a huge grin on his face and the order.

Welsh and Breton are quite similar apparently.
Atch
16 Jan 2019  #482

Don't forget about the now no longer extant Manx spoken on the Isle of Man:-)

It is still spoken Lyzko :) There is a primary school on the Isle of Mann where everything is taught through the Manx language. It's very similar to Irish, perhaps even more so than Scots Gallic. Both Gallic and Manx are derived from Irish. A Manx speaker and an Irish speaker could converse and understand each other but Manx is more like the dialect of Donegal Irish so if you spoke Kerry Irish you'd have to concentrate hard listening to a Manx speaker.

Irish (where the spelling is akin to a natural disaster...

It's really quite easy once you get the hang of it. Once you get used to looking at it and read enough of it, it becomes automatic and you really don't have to think about it anymore. Interestingly, in Irish we have no formal mode of address, but in Scots Gallic they do, similar to French and German where they use the second person plural for formal address. In Irish and Scots, that's 'sibh' pronounced 'shiv'. The Scots use it like the German 'Sie' or French 'vous', but we don't have any of that kind of nonsense in Irish :))

What about Welsh,Cornish and Breton?

Not related in any way to Irish.
johnny reb
16 Jan 2019  #483

And here I thought the Irish, Welsh and the Scots all spoke English in this day and age.
Stupid American anyways.

Not related in any way to Irish.

I remember when you sent me that clip of the children in your class that were all talking at once.
Atch I wil still have to say that it was the most precious and funny thing that I have ever witnessed in children in my life.

Wish I could have found it to post again.
What a hoot.

only to witness him return with a huge grin on his face and the order.

Maybe when he ask the Breton waitress for a duck for dinner she misunderstood him and thought he said that he wanted a duck before dinner and that is what that grin was all about.
Miloslaw
16 Jan 2019  #484

@johnny reb

This was not a long conversation about philosophy,he was just getting drinks.
The languages are very different,but there was enough in common for a Welshman to communicate very basicaly with a Breton.
I have to say,that although all the "Celtic languages" are not all mutually intelligible,to non speakers,they do sound very similar.
And Atch is wrong to say that Welsh,Cornish and Breton are "Not in any way related to Irish",the links are very distant and the languages evolved differently,but they are nonetheless related.
mafketis
16 Jan 2019  #485

@johnny reb

do not feed the trolls (unless they can actually say something interesting/relevant about Poland)
Miloslaw
16 Jan 2019  #486

What do you mean Maf?
Who is a troll?
mafketis
16 Jan 2019  #487

Who is a troll?

do the initials j r ring a bell?

if they never have anything relevant or interesting to say about Poland (and spend most of the time gossiping about other posters) then.... they're a....
Lyzko
16 Jan 2019  #488

@Maf,

Regarding Welsh, it seems that none of the extant Celtic tongues appears "phonetic" to a foreigner, compared with Italian for instance, where letters and sounds seem to correlate somewhat!

Welsh is a language with umpteen consonantal mutations, almost like Polish in certain instances, and don't ask me how my friends visiting from Cardiff recently guffawed when I thought I was pronouncing "Llewellyn" properlyLOL
Miloslaw
16 Jan 2019  #489

@mafketis

So you are saying that JR is a troll?
Do you not think he is a Pol Am who has an interest in Poland but maybe not too much knowledge about it and
Is trying to learn?
Apologies Johnny for talking about you.

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