Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

That`s funny. When you were Torq here and in your own forum, All Things Polish, you extensively discussed those tragic issues. . So why are you pretending now you didn`t know that some nationalists in Ukraine erect monuments to their brutal murderers?? In the same way as Poles erect their monuments?

Did those Putin trolls find sth on you and now you have to join their RuSS orchestra band?

Great thread on what sanctions can and can't do...

Quick version: they won't encourage anyone who could to topple Putin, his power is based on distributing money and power and sanctions don't change that, many in his inner circle actually like sanctions because it increases their power vis a vis the impoverished serfs

What they can do is bankrupt the Russian state's budget which is a couple of weeks at most from being unable to pay anyone....

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From what I've read some streets are named after him too.


Well, I feel like throwing up also when seeing Soviet stars on public buildings in Russia, seeing Lenin's statues and streets and squares having his name and reading Russian comments about history, etc.

Still, this isn't a reason to invade another country and kill it's people.


Really? Hmm, that sudden holy righteous indignation is a bit strange then...

Aside Lenin which was moron, think of communism and socialism as of capitalism. All forms of cruel governments where are some on top, some on the bottom. How humanity develop, probably will those societal forms develop. Let us hope.

But fascism or nazism, its the pure evil. Open promotion of evil. Not evil by accident. Evil as societal norm.

German embassy reacts to Russian Nazi tweet

"Shame on anyone who falls for it"

Russia claims it wants to rid Ukraine of Nazis. The German embassy in South Africa responded harshly to a corresponding tweet.

spiegel.de/ausland/schande-auf-jeden-der-drauf-reinfaellt-a-59e05f0d-eedd-431d-a59e-0568b5382967

An unusual reaction from the German embassy in South Africa to a tweet from the Russian diplomatic mission there has caused a stir on social media. The Russian embassy thanked Twitter for "numerous letters of solidarity from South Africans - both individuals and organizations" and wrote: "We appreciate your support and are glad that you are with us today because Russia - like 80 years ago - Fighting Nazism in Ukraine.«

The German embassy in the capital, Pretoria, responded by saying: "Sorry, but we can't keep quiet, that's just too cynical." Russia slaughters men, women and children in Ukraine out of self-interest, which is definitely not a Nazi -combat. "Shame on anyone who falls for it," says the reaction, which ends with the subordinate clause in brackets: ("Unfortunately, we're a kind of experts when it comes to Nazism.")

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Seriously....another country invades my home, kills my family, makes me to a refugee and calls that "fighing nazism"....that is just sick!

@mafketis
At the end of the month Russia will default on its debt. They will be done in the international markets. It will take less than 5 weeks to bankrupt them and no one is ever going to give them credit for a very long time. When this happens, they can not reopen the stock market or it will be liquidated within hours, banks will have no other choice but to sell their foreign currency or print more money and then money becomes less valuable than toilet paper. Currently the ruble is equal to two sheets of American toilet paper on a standard roll of single ply TP. Do the math, I am not exaggerating. This is Russia.

Polish officers in Katyń weren't shot in the head "by accident".

BB, thanks for the info:


Bravo for the German embassy! 👏

They're going to try evacuating Mariupol again today, starting at 1pm Polish time.

It's not that I didn't know about small fringe UPA-loving or SS-Galizien groups and discussed with Nathan and others here the point of clinging to this shameful part of their history, but I didn't realise the "progress" that was made in this regard (all those new monuments, street names and now even stadiums, and also ever more banderists in power ruling the country) in an ostensibly democratic country. Especially after Maidan, when autocrat Yanukovych was removed from power, one would expect that a free and democratic country would solve the problem instead of aggravating it.


What??? I am in no way supporting or justifying the Russian invasion, and I think I made it abundantly clear. All I'm saying is that the fact that in free Ukraine, after Maidan, Orange Revolution, toppling Yanukovych etc. etc. it is profoundly shocking to see the problem of nazi-sympathisers getting not better but much worse. :-/


I know! Of course, it's equally disgusting. But here we are talking about totalitarian Russia - you can expect that from them, BUT on the other side we have a peaceful, modern, democratic country with EU and NATO ambitions. How is it possible that this nazi nonsense not only continues but gets worse? How is it possible that politicians who are looking West and seriously consider joining European Union hang portraits of war criminals in their offices (like this mayor of Konotop)? How is it possible that democratically elected local authorities build monuments and name football stadiums after genocidal sickf*cks? In an ostensibly free, democratic country with Western ambitions. Sorry, but this is seriously vomit-inducing.

As I said, I am now going to conduct deeper research on modern day nazism in today's Ukraine. Until that is completed I shall refrain from posting anything more here.

What do you mean? Are you a troll?


You might find that it has to do with Canadian money not only Galician branch of Ukraina.

Wow....that sounds optimistic:

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- 10 days 4 hours 20 minutes - 244. Ukraine is fighting for the whole world

We continue to give the enemy a count down. Russian invaders couldn't destroy us, they couldn't break us. And they won't be able to! Ukrainian Armed Forces, territorial defense forces , every volunteer, every citizen of Ukraine continues to protect our country, our lives.

We have transferred the country's economy to military railings.
Factories and factories continue their work, perform military orders, repair equipment, turn military trophies into weapons. In order to fight the country must work, everyone in their place. If you were forced to evacuate - find a job in a new place - your help is needed everywhere.

The situation is in the positions of control. Yes, we have losses too. But every name, every Hero of ours will not be forgotten. As every killer will not be forgotten. We understand the value of life and the value of freedom. The life of every Ukrainian is priceless!

In certain directions our soldiers go to counterattacks, the enemy loses dozens of units of equipment, just throws it and runs away. The same replenishment of our "park" technology. The enemy will die from his own weapons.

The Kremlin still does not want to accept and recognize its fiasco. But that time is near.
Dissatisfaction and demoralization among the occupation forces is intensifying. They get insight, as do some Russian oligarchs.
More and more cases of no desire to fight.

The enemy continues to bear significant losses. More than 90 planes and helicopters were destroyed. They are beaten by the Air Force, the Marine Corps, our kíborgs all over the country. Several enemy pilots have been captured - these are important witnesses at the future military tribunal. While someone is afraid to close the sky on Ukraine - our army does its job and destroys the enemy.

The most militant parts of the enemy were received by the teeth: in Kyiv and Kharkiv the enemy was stopped. A rejected one in Mykolaiv. Odessa is our strategic reserve. Refilling the opponent's strength will be more and more complicated, the quality of refill will be even worse.

The Kremlin finally rejected attempts to hide their intentions - they came to destroy our country, destroy our people. Nothing will work out of them.

They are at war on women and children. They did not defeat the soldiers who defend Kharkiv - they began to fight with the Kharkiv University. Russians are just ordinary terrorists. And the terrorists will be destroyed.

The enemy is resisting, but we are doing our best to ensure humanitarian corridors, get our people out of the shelling, ensure humanitarian aid transportation. WE will not throw anyone away and we will be back very soon.

Today, Ukraine continues to defend the freedom of the whole world: Ukrainian children and women save your children and women at the cost of their own lives, while you hesitate to close the sky. Our men save your life at the cost of your life. While you're afraid to close the sky. We have long stopped fearing the artificially created image of "great Russia". And the whole world needs to stop!

We are fighting with our best. Victory is near! Victory, as true, is behind us!

Glory to Ukraine!

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Anti EU and anti NATO protests erupted in Belgrade. Serbs call Slavs to decide themselves, are they pro-Slavic or pro-Nazi >

> youtube.com/watch?v=FkoOwZpi3yU

Gdansk! Where is Gdansk! Krakow! With Serbs! With Serbs! With Racowie!

If we now let Russia succumb to the pressure how shall we resist to relentless wickedness of EU and NATO?

Down with nazism! Glory and freedom to Slavic civilization!

Poland. No questions. With Serbs.

Let us together stand with Russia now!

Sarmatia awake!

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This is definitely a project.

This is what Russia is fighting against, and what is "Ukraine".

They're probably in denial of what they've done. The same is in Turkey - even educated, intelligent people with pro-EU ambitions are in denial of Armenian genocide (yeah, I was shocked too). Noone wants to view themselves and be viewed by others as "monsters".


I think it's nationalism, not Nazism.

.....coming from a Jew-hater, now that is funny!


Reminds me abit about the discussion in Poland about that author who wrote about polish pogroms after the war (Kielce?)....and about the expellation of Germans....not easy stuff for many Poles either....

@Bratwurst Boy, yes, exactly... Ukrainian reactions concerning the massacres on Poles by UPA remind me of Polish reactions concerning the anti-semitism and pogroms on Jews in Poland in the past...

Ukraine is a post-communist country, not a 'modern' nation state. It's poor, undeveloped, not an established democracy. The fact that the EU felt that Ukraine was at least 25-30 years away from being ready for membership should give you a clue.


Exactly. And anyway Bandera is a very divisive figure in Ukraine and support for him varies regionally.

I don;t know hat you are talking about but in that case people think it was karma. I think modern Germans still do not grasp the extend of German terror machine has done in Poland and to Poles.

Poles were humanitarians if you compare them to Germans.


You wish there were polish pogroms after the war, as far as I know they were NKVD staged acts.
I can say you are a German. You grasp at straws to look down on Poles or at the very least not to admitt you have no moral high ground.

By the way in the next few days I will know if I go to Ukrainie or not.

It is clear pawian is here on an assignment.

There you go... And Cojestdocholery is a rather mild case of a Polish nationalist :)

Is rather a well informed person. You are not.

@Cojestdocholery, I live in Kielce.

I see, so that makes you an expert lol!

@Cojestdocholery, no, but I know more about the history of my city than some guy from mazowieckie does.

Don't you think that what you know are communist era lies>?

@Cojestdocholery, I was thaught history when Poland was already democratic. I was born in Kielce and there was a lot of time dedicated to learning about the Kielce pogrom during history classes at our school. We've learned about all the theories concerning the pogrom. And by whomever it was inspired - NKVD or Polish communists (or both) the fact remains that the pogrom was done by Polish people. By factory workers, among others. Ordinary people. Inhabitants of my city.

@Paulina
Everything is true, but there was a trial and sentencens inkl. death penalty. This case is closed.

@Alien, you mean that trial conducted by communist authorities? We have no way of knowing whether they arrested and sentenced the right people and all of them.

But it's not about this. It's about the fact that there are still Polish people who behave as if that pogrom was done by some aliens instructed by NKVD, while it was done Poles. By ordinary Poles, Polish soldiers and police.

@Crnogorac3
POS Russians shelled an evacuation checkpoint outside of Kiev this morning killing some children and adults. Either it was on purpose, or the Russians are this stupid. Either way they should all be killed. Fing savages.

Yes it is, but there is no death penalty nowdays in Poland and the punishements were more severe than now in Poland.