Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

I do think trolls should be denied visas to the west and put on a no fly list after the war. They love Russia so much they can have their holidays there at some gloomy sanatorium trying a doomed romance with some Komsomol nurse.

Putin even lied to his own soldiers.....a russian POW proves it:

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Full version/Source:

youtube.com/watch?v=oS8ktqe5LEY

I categorically did NOT get an invitation to join NATO in 2008.

In 2008, George W Bush was lobbying to get both Ukraine and Georgia into NATO, but the only development was that NATO said Ukraine and Georgia could feasibly get in at some time in the future. NOTHING materialized--no invitation, no "application" to join.

The only positive development between NATO and Ukraine is NATO giving some kind of partnership, like Australia, Finland, and Jordan have with NATO. It gives the opportunity to share information, share best practices, and share some operations, like Ukraine contributing in Afghanistan--y'know, stuff non-NATO countries do with each other all the time.

It is not a stepping stone to NATO. It seems that many folks who study this stuff believe that Ukraine was actually out of the running due to Russia invading Crimea.


I'm not sure it's not the main reason. You might be--probably--right that he wants to destroy Ukrainian identity, but, that may be to serve his ultimate end of securing Ukraine as a Russian vassal to protect Russia from perceived NATO pressure or aggression.


Seems like it.

Of course, these are all guesses--but that's all we got.

For anyone interested, I just began reading a book called "Not One Inch" by M.E. Sarotte that deals with the so-called promise made to Russia that NATO wouldn't expand past Germany if Russia removed its troops from East Germany. For the past decade, I've thought it was one of the valid grievances the Russians had--so far, this book has put that into question. It's a balanced account with 150-plus pages of notes.

More Russian barbarity... children in a hospice are made to go out and form a giant half-swastika for their Dear Leader

What kind of sick fvkc thinks of something like this?

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But the annexation of Ukraine would only move Russia's border further westwards, and there is Poland....and Poland is staunchly western....would Putin feel "threatened" by Poland next? Would he demand Poland leaving NATO? Or else?

Where is the logic behind that?

What Ukraine man? Don`t you see what your stupid governments (or some higher force) done to people there. Oh I know, its win win situation to them. They gets white refugees.

But wait that bad times comes to your country. Maybe you yourself come as refugee in Serbia. Or, if masters of the worlds jokes decide, maybe I come to USA or if I am bad luck Britain or France, Germany, Italy, to put cross on myself.

What I want to tell you, stop to be naive. Masters of the world would decide for all of us.

We can only hope, together, you and me, people like us, for order in the world. This, whatever it is, to stabilize sooner as possible and let us live our lives.

I guess the same logic that says at some point you are going to be buttressed up against the evil enemy. Could the key be to put as much controlled space between your proper border and the border your controlled vassal shares with your evil enemy?

Controlled by whom?

I always thought Ukraine was such a space....between Russia and NATO members....didn't work!

That's the point, BB.

He wants to control Ukraine. I doubt he'll make it a part of Russia proper, but put in some kind of lackey--someone like his friend in Belurus.

I'm not saying this is going to happen now, just making a guess of what he hopes to happen.

I think we make a huge error in thinking what we think is a victory is the same as Vlad.

The lackey he wants is already known....Yanukovich....that 2014 ousted oligarch who lives now in exile in Russia!

I really wonder if these proud and plucky Ukrainians will just lay down and accept that man back in Kiev....just like that...

Could be him, but that'd be the BIG question: how's that going to go over with the Ukrainians.

Hard to imagine now that the Ukes will simply lay down and accept their Russian fate. But, does it matter to Vlad? We might think it should, but does he?

The logic of "Putin invaded Ukraine to keep it from joining NATO" equals "Poland should leave NATO to keep from angering Putin"....

Your stupidity is astounding.
This is just biased hearsay, not even handed professional journalism.
And you base your opinions on that?
You know that you cannot trust Russian media to tell the truth, I get that.
But to base your opinions on Russian hearsay?
You are nuts!

Yeah.....Baltics next....then East Germany..... = Sovietunion is baaaack!

Nah, if he succeeds in Ukraine, and that is still a very big if, he will go for previous Soviet states first.

There's logic to it--just not much wisdom.

Independent, free to choose the option most Ukrainians decide on. They have had enough of RuSS-Asian barbarism and are opting for becoming a fully European country.

Simple.

@pawian

Jerzy. we have had our differences in the past and probably will in the future too.
But as long as this Ukrainian conflict continues, I will regard you as my brother.
LONG LIVE UKRAINE!

That may be the case.


Putin took the bait because it's reasonable to err on the right side and so many people are dead or refugees. Nice job, Western, peaceful, and loving "democracies". I am sure the families of the dead will be amazed by your brilliant plan.


Just as American Samoa is free to choose to join China.
BTW, what happened to the Crimeans choosing to decide? Oh, I got it, those were sham choices...Only pro-West choices are honest - like in Kosovo.

Your brilliance is blinding...

Darling, Crimea wants to stick to Russia so let it be. Kosovo wants to be independent or stick to Albania - let it be. Simple.

But carpet shelling Ukraine for its European aspirations is a criminal activity. RuSS-Asian barbarians will pay for it. They already started wriggling like worms that they are under the weight of sanctions.

OK. From now on, I don't want to hear that the Crimea vote was a sham. In return, I will not question voting in Poland. Or Kosovo.


No argument there - if it actually happened. Based on the low number of dead civilians, I am not convinced that it was the objective as carpet shelling civilians is the surest way to make them your (editorial) worst enemy. Especially in Ukraine with its access to relatively cheap hand-held launchers.

Those sanctions everybody loves imposing...

Imagine it's right after WW1 and the Allies are ready to impose back-crushing sanctions on Germany. I wonder what could possibly happen as a result...Hmm...We will just have to wait and see...

334 civilians killed is 334 too many but it's not deliberate or the Russians don't know how to kill civilians.
That 334 is according to the UN.

Russia is recruiting Syrian fighters to aid in the Ukraine invasion and help take Kyiv.
And to think of all the AID Nato countries gave the Syrian refugees.
Send them all back to Syria.

Again you don`t know what you are talking about. I said carpet shelling while you turn it into carpet bombing. Get a grip, ignoramus. :):)


Documented, darling. How many casualties in the places which are sieged and the UN doesn`t reach there? Thousands by now.
Don`t be so dumb.


Russ-Asian savages don`t act rationally. Besides, they don`t care now coz they are going to exterminate all their opponents if they conquer Ukraine. Simple. Like Nazis did in occupied Poland in WW2, so will RuSSis in occupied Ukraine.

RuSS-Asian savages are declaring a ceasefire for humanitarian corridors from 10 am. Stinking liars. They are going to shell them again, like already twice before..

What they're trying to do Pawian is to break the spirit of the people by repeatedly giving them hope and then snatching it away again. It's unbelievably cruel. But they won't break them. We must keep praying for them. For anyone who wants to join me, whether you believe in God or not, you can add your voice to the army of souls who are praying for Ukraine. I am praying these two novenas. Started yesterday.

Novena to John Paul II:

discerninghearts.com/catholic-podcasts/novena-st-john-paul-ii-mp3-audio-text/#1474844076953-beaeb89d-7c41

Novena for peace in Ukraine:

praymorenovenas.com/novena-for-peace-in-ukraine

"Darkness can only be scattered by light. Hatred can only be conquered by love. My most fervent wish, which I entrust to God in prayer . . . is that we should all carry in our unarmed hands the light of a love which nothing can discourage."

(Reflection by John Paul II)

@Novichok, Velund, Crnogorac3 and other Putin supporters, please consider the harm you are doing, not just to others but to yourselves. Consider what a force for goodness and human kindness you could be in this world.

Our Lady Queen of Peace, pray for us.

@johnny reb
Putin will do anything. He is a cornered dog, and he made a mistake that he has no idea how to correct. Syrians are nothing more than dark meat going into the grinder.

When Ukraine gets these migs, the Russian soldiers on the ground are all but done. Putin will then carpet bomb and not just shell in order to flatten Ukraine and leave it a wasteland so that it will not be possible to meet EU entry standards. This is the only way for him now. Then he will retreat, and all sanctions need to remain until Russia is decimated completely.

Hold your horses, johnny_reb... Any Syrian aiding Russia would be pro-Asad. I wouldn't be surprised if those weren't volunteers, but Syrian soldiers sent by Asad as a sign of gratitude for helping his regime to stay in power (or Russia simply demanded for them to be sent, since Kazakhstan won't send it's troops).

Anti-Asad Syrians are very much against the invasion on Ukraine. After all, Russians bombed their civillians. They hate their guts.
This photo is from 2014 (when Crimea was annexed), but the sentiment is the same nowadays:

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Yes, probably they will kill some of them and maybe they will send the rest to labour colonies for the rest of their lives... Just like they were sending Polish insurgents to Syberia... I guess nothing changed in Russia...


Thank you, Atch. I do.


They don't care. They don't want to better themselves or be better than others. They don't have such ambitions. They want to be as bad as others. And in the end they become even worse. I'm saying this based on 7 years of discussing with pro-Putin Russians. I'm afraid you're talking to sociopaths...

Netflix has pulled out of Russia - every little gesture helps!

More importantly KPMG and another major accounting firm are pulling out of Russia.


I know - but unless they have something medically wrong with their brains that needs treating with meds, they're still human beings so there's always hope for change, however unlikely. The light is within every human being, even if it's only the barest glow like a candle after it's been extinguished.

Maybe after the rubble has cleared a proper referendum could be carried out. Anyone who recognizes the 2014 "referendum" is a fool or a Russonazi stooge.

The didn't quite work out the numbers and one region had more votes for "joining" Russia than inhabitants.... so, honestly it would PRI* blush.

*PRI Mexican political party known for flagrant and shameless voting fraud....

Family of civilians killed while trying to use the 'humanitarian' corrdidor.

Probably an issue of terminology, for the Russian army 'humanitarian corridor' means 'shooting range'...

twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1500594033214767110

I have no idea Paulina but you can read it for yourself.
There are several sources.
Just Google: Russia is recruiting Syrian fighters to aid in the Ukraine invasion and help take Kyiv.