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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades



AntV
8 Mar 2022  #4,261

@Crow

That's all Slavic wet dream conspiracy stuff.

I'm just saying that Russia has brought the EU closer and awakened its members to spend more on defense.

Bratwurst Boy
8 Mar 2022  #4,262

Poland ready to deliver MiG-29 jets to USA

spiegel.de/ausland/russland-ukraine-news-am-dienstag-russland-bietet-neue-feuerpause-an-a-c4f19926-e9f8-4eff-bb0d-c063e5cdf20d

Poland plans to hand over all of its MiG-29 fighter jets to the US, which could make them available to Ukraine. This was confirmed by the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Cool!

cdn.prod.spiegel.de/images/a9fd76ac-f462-4991-a099-6dc597424080_w948_r1.778_fpx48.78_fpy50.jpg

Stuff from Germany next....

PS:

The British government wants to become independent of Russian oil and oil products by the end of 2022.

First US....Brits next....Germany is thinking about that loudly too already....less money for Moscow's "war chest"!

Velund
8 Mar 2022  #4,263

multi vector approach

Is that the politically correct name for the trajectory of a condom wrapper being blown around by the wind next to a bin near public toilet?

Bobko
8 Mar 2022  #4,264

If so, will that not only lead to greater stress on purchasing power?

Wow, somebody to actually talk to. You are correct. All other factors staying constant, the present situation will over the long term lead to a considerable erosion of purchasing power - unless drastic measures are taken to address this.

However, this is still not the same as the retarded arguments made by Mafketis, and 99% of the commentariat.

Crow
8 Mar 2022  #4,265

@Bobko

You know what I sincerely thinks. Geo-strategic situation in the world so changed and Poland would relatively soon cease to exist if:

1 - If Poland fail to stay neutral in this conflict
2 - If Poland fail to escape EU in next 2-3 years
3 - If Poland fail to transfer Visegrad into the one player of this new Multi-Polar world (making Visegrad attractive for CE, Baltic-Balkan countries)
4 - If Poland fail to have good ties with Serbia, keep them good and even improve, like Hungary doing
5 - If Poland fail to have good ties with Russia

Bratwurst Boy
8 Mar 2022  #4,266

EU wants to reduce gas imports from Russia by two thirds

spiegel.de/wirtschaft/eu-will-gasimporte-aus-russland-um-zwei-drittel-reduzieren-a-26442635-84e2-468e-b121-9a2ec5019d10

The EU has drawn up a plan to get rid of Russia as an energy supplier. It includes a faster energy transition, new gas resources and consumer protection. ...

Oh....that's gonna hurt.....all of us!

Putin, you ***** was it worth it?

Bobko
8 Mar 2022  #4,267

Poland would relatively soon cease to exist if:

Crow, once again I'm forced to quote to you from official Polish sources. This time, from former interior minister Bartłomiej Sienkiewicz: "the Polish state exists only in theory; in practice it doesn't exist."

@Bratwurst

no, nobody has to learn to "live with" an agressive neighbour.

Somewhere, in a corner, Mexico is scratching its head in confusion.

Novichok
8 Mar 2022  #4,268

...less money for Moscow's "war chest"!

...and more spent by the lower 50%.
BTW, I am still waiting for what the PF warriors have contributed to the refugee funds.

Putin, you ***** was it worth it?

Good question. Just as good as: Is it worth destroying the country to keep the Z swamp instead of the P swamp?

Crow
8 Mar 2022  #4,269

"the Polish state exists only in theory; in practice it doesn't exist."

Very close to reality.

USA soon to abandon Europe and stabilize its position in its sphere in Multi-Polar world. EU would tend to stabilize as player in Multi-Polar world. Russia would stabilize as player in Multi-Polar world.

If Poland fail to organize, if Poland mistake and enter this conflict, Poland would isolate from Serbia (which is only factor that can support Poland in transformation of Visegrad), enter conflict with Russia (which is only decisive factor that may or may not allow transformation of Visegrad) and with time remain absorbed within EU. When Poland is absorbed (cease to exist as Slavic) starts internal turmoil within Poland, some Slavs will rebel and its the end of Poland. Not partition. The end.

Poland has a multi vector approach

No. Poland`s foreign policy is a fiction. Sicorski is either idiot or sold Poland.

Poland is in grave danger, in my opinion.

mafketis
8 Mar 2022  #4,270

Is it worth destroying the country

Russia destroys 61 hospitals.... in the part of Ukraine it wants.... how is cooperating with such savagery going to end well?

twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1501298189571436549

Big difference you might not have noticed while being so edgy

the Z swamp kills invading soldiers

the P swamp kills unarmed civilians

How safe would anyone be in the P swamp? No matter how craven and obedient the beast will come for you...

pawian
8 Mar 2022  #4,271

I read somewhere that the Russians bombed the towers they need for their secure network

RuSS-Asian savages shoot first, then think. Or only shoot, without thinking. That is why they are called savages.

Germany's government does not want to cut off its access to Russian oil & gas

BS. They have already decided to cut down on it.

Poland refused to send fighter jets

BS. The planes are ready waiting for shipment to an American base.

Wakanda collapses economically and structurally.

Darling, I have caught you lying so many times here that more lies from you don`t make any impression on us. :)) Yaawn.

A new job is waiting for volunteers - the Saviour of Russia. All they need to do it to take out Putin, stop the war, withdraw savage troops from Ukraine, pay reperations for death and destruction they caused.

Crnogorac3
8 Mar 2022  #4,272

Since February of 2020 nearly 3,500 bombs were dropped by the United States on countries in the Middle East and Africa and yet Americans don't seem to care. Is it because they are apathetic or beside the media tells them which wars to care about?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Swann

1

twitter.com/BenSwann_/status/1500949777432944647

Crow
8 Mar 2022  #4,273

To conclude. Effort to push Poland into conflict with Russia is effort to secure Poland`s EU membership and prevent Polexit. Why? Well, only one consequence on the long run. We speak of aim for destruction of Poland by those who now pushing Poland into conflict.

Politicians in Poland who suggest conflict with Russia are obvious foreign agents. Traitors of state of Poland.

mafketis
8 Mar 2022  #4,274

the United States

Revelant how? Go pander your nazi wares elsewhere Z-boy

Bratwurst Boy
8 Mar 2022  #4,275

@Crnogorac3

....since when are you interested in the lives of towelheads???

Novichok
8 Mar 2022  #4,276

Russia destroys 61 hospitals....

That depends on what is is. I mean "hospital". And who actually destroyed them.
How do you say "we surrender" in Ukrainian? As far as I recall, with the losses of around 30 million and very little love for the Germans in 1945, the USSR stopped destroying hospitals and everything else in Germany once proper papers were signed. So maybe we could use this moment in history as a predictor of what Russia is likely to do now under similar conditions. Unless Putin >>>> Stalin, of course.

Bobko
8 Mar 2022  #4,277

@Novichok

It would also help tremendously if Ukrainian cowards stopped positioning artillery and armor in close proximity to hospitals and schools.

Maybe they are worried that if they engage with Russians in the fields the war will be over in one day?

Bratwurst Boy
8 Mar 2022  #4,278

@Novichok

....I'm not sure Germany would had subscribed if it had been the Russians alone.....

Novichok
8 Mar 2022  #4,279

artillery and armor in close proximity to hospitals and schools.

It seems that it sure helped. Ammo in schools - the Palestinian trick.

.I'm not sure Germany would had subscribed if it had been the Russians alone.....

You may very well be right. The best I have is what actually happened. BTW, the proximity of the Western allies did not stop the rapes and plunder by the Soviets, as far as I know.

mafketis
8 Mar 2022  #4,280

surrender

Someone breaks into your house and demands you hand over the deed to him (he's got guns and starts shooting at the walls) to make you see some sense. Do you surrender?

Bratwurst Boy
8 Mar 2022  #4,281

....I guess the Wehrmacht complained the same.....on it's way to Moscow with all these pesky partisans!

Novichok
8 Mar 2022  #4,282

Do you surrender?

That's what the cops here tell you to do when some pos puts a gun to your head and demands your wallet or your car.

They, the cops, noticed that once you are dead, you are useless to everybody - your family included. Unless you have million-dollar life insurance, of course.

Bratwurst Boy
8 Mar 2022  #4,283

BTW, the proximity of the Western allies did not stop the rapes and plunder by the Soviets, as far as I know.

But that capitulation made sure only a part of Germany fell to the rapists...a strong argument for the subscription!

(Even then, the Germans fled into the western occupied zones...)

Bobko
8 Mar 2022  #4,284

..on it's way to Moscow with all these pesky partisans!

This is a splendid reminder. As a student of history, surely you will tell us of the enlightened special measures employed by the various formations of Einsatzgruppe, Ordnungspolizei and various Schuttzmannschafts in "pacifying" the partisans who didn't even have tanks and artillery to position behind schools and hospitals?

Bratwurst Boy
8 Mar 2022  #4,285

....cowards got what cowards deserve.....right!

They should have stayed at home! And surrender...

Novichok
8 Mar 2022  #4,286

This brings me to this brilliant point...Germans were smart to do their best to surrender to the Americans. They knew it was idiotic to shoot the good guys. Now, I am not claiming that the Russians today are as nice as the Americans were in 1945, but the point is still the same: often surrendering sure beats dying. Japs were never as smart as the Germans and that is why they got those two beautiful mushrooms. What is happening in Ukraine seems similar.

Except for illegals in the US, I don't want anybody to die. Just to keep the record straight.

Bobko
8 Mar 2022  #4,287

@Bratwurst Boy

Oh wow! Do you think perhaps ordinary Ukrainians should also refrain from running out in front of a tank with a Molotov cocktail, or one of those expired MANPADS you provided them with? What if the Molotov cocktail fails to disable a tank, or the operator notices you as you advance towards him with a flaming bottle in hand? What if while trying to fire one of the 40 year old missiles you provided them with, Bratwurst, they encounter a series of misfires?

I think I agree - they should stay home.

Crnogorac3
8 Mar 2022  #4,288

spiegel.de/ausland/ukraine-krieg-die-probleme-von-russlands-streitkraeften-a-d24cbdf6-3e46-4c8f-8f2e-f746f6a5faea

@Bratwurst Boy

Leftist media say that Putin badly planned the operation and that the Ukrainian globalist militias would be "winning".

This is not it.

Remember the chance Hitler gave the British at Dunkirk?

Hitler still wanted peace and a deal with the British, so he didn't massacre them, and let them evacuate.

Putin does something similar today.

Bratwurst Boy
8 Mar 2022  #4,289

This brings me to this brilliant point...

Honestly....I believe the Japanese had extremely bad luck with the timing.....it could have been Berlin and Dresden instead of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...by only a few weeks....

And I guess if the Ukrainians could chose their occupants they would prefer to surrender to the US too!

Bobko
8 Mar 2022  #4,290

Ukrainians could chose their occupants they would surrender

Here, you are wrong, but it is not your fault because you are simply projecting what you understand as a European Pygmy. Ukrainians, as a sort of Russian, are exceptional fighters and surrender is a word that is difficult to translate for them. This war is running the risk of being such a bloody mess because both sides appear to have balls. Of course, the west is surprised and shocked!


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