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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades



Bobko
14 Mar 2022  #5311

@Pinching Pete
What's Benny Hill is flying out of Bagram with people grabbing on to the chassis.

Paulina
14 Mar 2022  #5312

Lvov - who's city?

Lviv is Ukrainian nowadays.
It was decided in Yalta that Lviv will be taken by the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union expelled Poles from that city.

Ukrainians didn't expell Russians from Ukraine after the fall of the Soviet Union. Do you think they should have done that?

Bobko
14 Mar 2022  #5313

It would be interesting to observe this attempt, so... yes.

Cojestdocholery
14 Mar 2022  #5314

Lvov - who's city?

Ukrainian thanks to you!

Novichok
14 Mar 2022  #5315

There was no Russia in 1962, there was the Soviet Union. And it's 2022, not 1962.

Yes, and today is Monday. So what? That woman and her kid are dead now. Today is another day. Right? So what's the big deal!

Let me explain the relevance of Cuba slowly. The US is the same as it was in 1962 and still doesn't like the concept of "enemy at the gates" today just as much as it didn't like that concept then. Russia is entitled to the same consideration.

So, does Russia want to be in some kind of formal alliance with Cuba? And vice versa?

One more time...It's about the US and its reaction to the enemy at the gates.

GefreiterKania
14 Mar 2022  #5316

I hate you guys for scaring off Velund

Don't worry - he'll be back. We are like one big family here at PF (a dysfunctional one, but still :D).

Pinching Pete
14 Mar 2022  #5317

top being a foreign agent and enjoying the USA. Be a real Russian and say F the USA and go home.

Amen, how much of coward could you be?? lmao

Paulina
14 Mar 2022  #5318

It would be interesting to observe this attempt, so... yes.

You're f*cked up.

the concept of "enemy at the gates" today just as much as it didn't like that concept then. Russia is entitled to the same consideration.

So Russia and the US are enemies?
And no, no country is "entitled to" tell other countries what alliances they can enter, imho, the US included. So, again, do Russia and Cuba want to have some kind of formal alliance that the US is opposing? And, more importantly - when was the last time that the US invaded and occupied it's neighbour?

(a dysfunctional one, but still :D).

Very dysfunctional lol

Crow
14 Mar 2022  #5319

Poland is wise. Very.

Tacitus
14 Mar 2022  #5320

One more time...It's about the US and its reaction to the enemy at the gates.

One more time. Cuba and Ukraine are in no way comparable. Russia stationed nuclear rockets on Cuba, it was an immediate threat to the USA. The Ukraine is no threat to Russia. Nor was NATO. Before Russian agression, NATO countries had more and more decreased its forces in Europe to the point that it could in no way deter a serious russian attack in 2014 by conventional forces. It was also made clear to Russia numerous times that Ukraine joining NATO was not a serious consideration.

Novichok
14 Mar 2022  #5321

My bet is on that Velund never threw the first nasty and personal punch - if ever.

was not a serious consideration.

Type it, sign it and Putin will, too. Case closed.

Crow
14 Mar 2022  #5322

Many go green. Nature will be saved. Greta is happy for sure.

Novichok
14 Mar 2022  #5323

Nor was NATO.

How did they find their way to Iraq? Oh, Saddam invited them for tea and they overstayed his invitation by ... like 20 years. Real pussycats...
And Serbia...And Afghanistan. What did either do to Poland and the rest of the allies to end up there? The pimp asked for a little favor?

Pinching Pete
14 Mar 2022  #5324

Greta is happy for sure.

Stay on topic, nature boy.

Bratwurst Boy
14 Mar 2022  #5325

Russia stationed nuclear rockets on Cuba, it was an immediate threat to the USA.

Not to mention that Ukraine gave up their nukes after independence....in hindsight a big error!

...In 1994, Ukraine agreed to destroy the weapons, and to join the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT).[5][6]....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine

Crnogorac3
14 Mar 2022  #5326

Just careful these volunteers don't end like the volunteers yesterday in Yavorov.

Oddly, some fool reported on Twitter that he was in the base that the Russians blasted to smithereens yesterday morning.

twitter.com/anthonycwalker/status/1502977178065063937

Some foreign mercenary who discovered that war is not so nice.

cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-the-monday-edition-1.6367495/why-a-canadian-comedian-is-heading-to-ukraine-to-fight-against-russia-1.6367623

And he also seems to be a comedian.

Paulina
14 Mar 2022  #5327

Iraq? (...)
And Serbia...And Afghanistan.

None of those countries are superpowers with nukes. So, tell me, why should Russia be sh1tting it's pants so much over this?

Not to mention that Ukraine gave up their nukes after independence....in hindsight a big error!

Yup. They gave up their nukes, they didn't expell the Russians... Those evil Ukrainians!

Cojestdocholery
14 Mar 2022  #5328

Russia is entitled to the same consideratio

Russian is entitled to nothing. Why do you make up stuff as you go along? Putin is after Ukrainie for a long time. Find out his justfication should be there on youtube. He talks about Ukraine as a part of Russia and denies existance of its ethnicity. Althought he makes few good points that main point is well off.

Aslo he pick on Ukrainie all the time since his puppet Yanucovich had been kicked out by Ukrainians, Putin falied to win rigged election at the time and his man had to run away, he left dead bodies in this wake.

The next step was Crimea and Donbas and today he went for all. He miscalculated very much.
At no point Ukrainie was invited into the NATO or EU. At no point USA put nukes on Ukrainians soil.
Ukrainie was to be a buffer zone between NATO and Russia.
Yet, Putin having Germany in his pocket got greedy and wanted all. Took Belarus and now he wants Ukrainie.
Tomorrow I'm going to talk with people who are organizing Polish Legion. I will see what they say. If anything will go well. I will let you know.

If you talk, talk about something you know. You arogant prattle is noisy.

Crnogorac3
14 Mar 2022  #5329

cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-the-monday-edition-1.6367495/why-a-canadian-comedian-is-heading-to-ukraine-to-fight-against-russia-1.6367623

And he also seems to be a comedian.

Bobko
14 Mar 2022  #5330

There was no Russia in 1962, there was the Soviet Union. And it's 2022, not 1962.

Paulina, dearest - Russia is legal successor. Everyone, except Ukraine recognized this. Because they want a claim on Soviet diplomatic real estate abroad (worth billions of dollars, since it is usually positioned in the poshest districts), the Diamond Fund, and the gold reserve of the Soviet Union. Ukrainians seem to believe in the fiction engineered by Stalin as a ploy for additional votes of Ukraine and Belarus as founding members of the UN alongside Russia.

Every other country emerging from the USSR recognized Russia's legal succession. This is why Russia inherited the security council veto, the nuclear arsenal, the DEBT (which we paid off, for everyone), the problems, and the responsibility.

Here's some students dissertation on this topic:

papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3403650

and a wiki article on the legal concept:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_of_states

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_the_United_Nations

Crnogorac3
14 Mar 2022  #5331

Poland is wise. Very.

twitter.com/vladnik55/status/1503000611557629954

CNN reporting

:)

Tacitus
14 Mar 2022  #5332

How did they find their way to Iraq?

NATO was not in Iraq.

Paulina
14 Mar 2022  #5333

Paulina, dearest - Russia is legal successor.

Every other country emerging from the USSR recognized Russia's legal succession.

Oh, Bobko, thank you for admitting this! You have no idea how many times me and other Poles argued with Russians over this!

Russia inherited the security council veto, the nuclear arsenal, the DEBT (which we paid off, for everyone), the problems, and the responsibility

...and the crimes of the Soviet Union! Yes! I agree! Bravo! So I guess now Russia can admitt to what it did to other nations, including to Ukrainians, condemn those atrocities loud and clear, and can start paying compensations to the families of those murdered in Katyń and other victims of the Soviet Union! Compensate Ukrainians for Holodomor... by... for example... leaving them the f*ck alone! Awesome! Bravo! You're the best! :)

👏

Crow
14 Mar 2022  #5334

twitter.com/vladnik55/status/1503000611557629954

I heard at least 200 nazis died fast.

mafketis
14 Mar 2022  #5335

Russia's hope of getting off their knees requires other countries' faces to be ground into the dirt....

twitter.com/Klitschko/status/1503349955091701767

Novichok
14 Mar 2022  #5336

NATO was not in Iraq.

With Article 5 in place, it's a difference without a distinction. NATO is a desk with a speed dial to Washington, DC. You, Euros, are nothing but a bunch of meetoos and spineless bums on American welfare. Quoting:

Did NATO support Iraq war?
The March 2003 campaign against Iraq was conducted by a coalition of forces from different countries, some of which were NATO member countries and some were not.


If Saddam had those WMDs and dropped some sh*it on, say, Poland, Article 5 would kick in and NATO would have had to sign a piece of paper and fax it to DC. Wow.

What would change on the ground? Absolutely nothing.

Among adults, we call it substance over form.

Bobko
14 Mar 2022  #5337

paying compensations

What compensations? For what? You will pay yourself by stealing money you "froze"? Nothing better than pirates, you are. Unfortunately for you unlike pirates you will not find a safe haven.

Who will pay Russians compensations?

Crow
14 Mar 2022  #5338

One of these days Poland shell abandon EU. Polexit.

Novichok
14 Mar 2022  #5339

Who will pay Russians compensations?

Good question, Bobko. Under what law can a "democracy" seize private property that belongs to a guy who had vodka with Putin?

GefreiterKania
14 Mar 2022  #5340

Who will pay Russians compensations?

Simple. Georgia will pay for Stalin, Israel for Bronstein, and Poland for Dzerzhinsky.

No... wait a minute... :D


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