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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades



Miloslaw
17 Mar 2022  #5761

And now SERBIA has stopped all flights in Russia as of the 24th. So much for the great alliance.

Hahahha!

What you say now Crow?

it is a huge pain in the ass to fly from Serbia

Hahahaha!

Serbia aligning itself with Russia was a HUGE mistake.

Chinese are not as stupid as Serbs.

pawian
18 Mar 2022  #5762

Facts:
RuSS troops are unable to defeat Ukrainian defenders and put an end to their heroic resistance. RuSSians are demoralised and don`t want to die in a senseless war. They are weakened day by day by local ambushes and small counterattacks during which they lose a lot of equipment and men.

Within days, Ukrainian defenders are going to launch counteroffensives to push RuSSians back from Kiyv and liberate Kherson in the south. That will be a complete disaster for the savages.

Technically, RuSSia has lost the war. Now, only mass destruction weapons can save them. Chemical or nuclear. Will the savages resort to them ??

RuSSia kaputt! KapuTTin. Down with RuSSia!

mafketis
18 Mar 2022  #5763

Under extreme duress, a nation can draft 10% of its population

Nope.... Kami Galeev points out that one of the big problems Russia has is demographics... an aging society doesn't have that many young people to draft. And the "Russian" army is increasingly fromt the Caucasus and central Asia...

That's one reason Russia started with so few troops... they just don't have that many. In the past Russia had a seemingly endless supply of excess young male peasants... it doesn't now. Why do you think Pooty Poot Poot is recruiting from Syria and Africa?

thread here: twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1504585616834457619

Nobody in Germany (at least those in government)

Then that's worse! They sleepwalked into a dependent relationship with a despotic authoritarian country with no exit plan? Why is there such a deficit of competent leadership in Germany?

Bobko
18 Mar 2022  #5764

A large part of the southern group, which had the most success to date - is stalled in Mariupol. In Nikolayev, the grouping that is creating a lot of noise is actually quite small. An end to the siege in Mariupol will mean a very large amount of forces becoming free for either (A) a dash west to Odessa and the Moldova border, or (B) a move North to link up with the Luhansk group and create a mega encirclement of the Donbass/East group of Ukrainian forces.

In combination, this would represent losses of almost 100,000 (7-14K encircled in Mariupol, and 70-80k in Donbass front proper) of the best and most experienced soldiers Ukraine has. The manpower emerging from the second wave of mobilization, taking place now, can replenish these losses to some extent, but with a different quality of men and materiel.

If by some miracle the defenders in Mariupol can get resupplied, or even the encirclement becomes broken by a counter attack - then all bets are off for the next couple months. This war willl then get ugly. Uglier than anything we've seen to date.

All eyes on Mariupol.

Paulina
18 Mar 2022  #5765

Why do you think Pooty Poot Poot is recruiting from Syria and Africa?

Another reasons for this, I think, are:
- the more "proper" Russians are conscripted the more the Russian society is likely to rebel against the war;
- Russians and Ukrainians are closely related, it may make it harder for the "proper" (European) Russians to kill Ukrainians and bring destruction to their homes, since they are so much like them.

According to Galeev, the Russian army consists to a great degree of the poor from the province who couldn't dodge the draft and minorities...

So, I guess Galeev's idea to encourage desertion from the Russian army is pretty interesting (although I don't know how realistic it is):

"Russian fighting capacity will hugely deteriorate if you give a way out to the closest warm countries with bed, food, and cash payments for proven sabotage. Done ASAP that would be very detrimental for Russian fighting capacity, manpower being its major bottleneck. End of 🧵"

They sleepwalked into a dependent relationship with a despotic authoritarian country with no exit plan?

German media say that Bundestag should be ashamed of itself for their behaviour after Zelensky speech:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/niemieckie-media-to-hanba-jak-bundestag-potraktowal-zelenskiego-6748346799201088a

BB, how is this viewed in Germany?

mafketis
18 Mar 2022  #5766

German media say that Bundestag should be ashamed of itself

Very true. Germany is taking a huge hit in prestige over their shameful alliance with Russia.... not a country fit to lead anything.

GefreiterKania
18 Mar 2022  #5767

(A) a dash west to Odessa and the Moldova border, or (B) a move North to link up

:D

A move? A dash even! Well, I have been looking at the "blitzkrieg" maps recently, and they seem to look exactly the same everyday. So, who's moving? Who's dashing?

Unless you meant a dash to kill civilians and a "smart" move to bomb children, then yes - Russian army is indeed moving and dashing.

This war willl then get ugly. Uglier than anything we've seen to date.

You mean nazi animals from mongol steppes can slaughter even more civilians? Surprise, surprise... It is amazing how easily Russians are willing to give up their humanity and exit the human kind, for the very short-lived, laughable illusion of being a superpower.

All eyes on Mariupol.

All eyes of the world are indeed on the brave Slavic fighters of Ukraine, valiantly defending their country from mongol nazis.

GefreiterKania
18 Mar 2022  #5768

Russia is not destroying Ukrainian cities - this is all photoshop

Mariya Zacharova, spokesman for Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, denied that Russia is bombing Ukrainian cities, and said that the photos showing destruction caused by Russian bombardment are photoshopped...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-marija-zacharowa-bezpardonowo-rosja-nie-bombarduje-miast-zac,nId,5901158

... you just couldn't make this up, could you. :)

mafketis
18 Mar 2022  #5769

his war willl then get ugly

Will get? The present scale of Russian atrocities isn't ugly enough for you?

All eyes on Mariupol.

An ongoing war crime that brings shame upon Russia and all who support her...

PolAmKrakow
18 Mar 2022  #5770

@Bobko
I appreciate your toned down rhetoric. But the facts are that resupply of men and machines will take 10 or more days if by sea, and 5 days at least if by train. If by train, they limit the resupply due to capacity. The Russian army is F'd because in either scenario, US military aid will arrive before the end of the weekend. Kiev will not be taken. While the Russians will continue to kill civilians, that is not winning the war. Putin will be a war criminal tried in absentia if needed. He will never be able to leave Russia again. Then a new round of Russian cleansing will take place internally.

@GefreiterKania
And any Russian buying this nonsense needs to be taken out to Siberia for the rest of their lives. There is no intelligence to be found in anyone believing this.

amiga500
18 Mar 2022  #5771

I appreciate your toned down rhetoric

@polam, i don't see how this will end, oh yeah obvious putins crew take him out, after alll it's tradition , stalins crew killed stalin, lenins crew killed lenin etc etc ruski tradycja

PolAmKrakow
18 Mar 2022  #5772

@amiga500
I don't think Putin will let anyone get close enough. Most Russians support this war whether it is based on propaganda or not, they support it, and they support Putin. I think a purge is coming to the "elite" in Russia who have questionable support of Putin. Then I believe he will be tried and convicted in absentia as a war criminal and until he dies, Russia will have sanctions.

The war, will run out of gas once nearly all Ukraine infrastructure is destroyed. That's what this is about in my opinion. Scorched earth mentality. It will take so long to rebuild that they are not a threat. Ukraine will agree to remain neutral. This is the only realistic outcome at this point. Russia can not win in any traditional definition of the word win. Russians abroad will be treated like $hi* moving forward, and I believe it will take at least 50 years for any Russian to be seen as trustworthy again.

The EU has to completely cut off from Russian oil and gas. Pump up the nuclear power and delay the "green" energy the far left wants.

amiga500
18 Mar 2022  #5773

The EU has to completely cut off from Russian oil and gas

BS the west are being plastic pu*sies/cowards, ure living a delusion if u think Biden remembers his policy five minutes after Blinken tells him. It''s not that rosy, yeh they are heroic but over 3 months the ukris will get smashed by the ruskis, so much civ blood, fu*k just like chechnya. and the west is weak and soft as pudding and we just let it happen.

PolAmKrakow
18 Mar 2022  #5774

@amiga500
You may be right. The longer this goes on, more civilians die. That's the only sure thing. I agree though, NATO should have just gone in and crushed this war. If not NATO then the surrounding EU countries should have gone in. Putin may have nukes but he isn't dumb enough to use them. If you see a bully you have to beat his a$$ before he will stop being a bully. There is no other way.

GefreiterKania
18 Mar 2022  #5775

the west are being plastic pu*sies/cowards

Not Denmark though. They are ready to send their army to Ukraine, in response to Kaczynski's call...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-odpowiedz-na-apel-kaczynskiego-dania-gotowa-wyslac-wojska,nId,5901207

Paulina
18 Mar 2022  #5776

CNN investigated the attack on Mariupol maternity hospital - they've shown a satelite photo taken just hours before the attack and a photo of a big crater made by the explosion:

edition.cnn.com/interactive/2022/03/europe/mariupol-maternity-hospital-attack/index.html

Also, it looks like the attack was premeditated, even though Associated Press journalists who were on spot didn't see any evidence of Ukrainian military presence over there.

So, it looks like the Russian attack wasn't accidental O_O, which makes it even more chilling...

mafketis
18 Mar 2022  #5777

Russians this minute gathering at Luzhniki stadium in Moscow for a giant pro-war rally...

supposedly there is intell about an imminent false flag attack to justify escalation... nukes?

Atch
18 Mar 2022  #5778

They are ready to send their army to Ukraine,

As a peacekeeping force - which Russia will flatly refuse. Great pity. The question of a UN Peacekeeping mission in Ukraine has been debated on and off for a long time.

Ireland's minister for foreign affairs is in Poland today and he says we'll send Irish troops to the Polish border if Poland agrees, to help with logistics, transport and humanitarian aid for the refugees. We'd definitely send peacekeeping forces to Ukraine if we had the chance. We have about 70 years experience in UN Peacekeeping. He also said that Ireland is ready to mediate between Russia and Ukraine but in his own words 'I don't know if Russia would want that.' Of course they wouldn't! They don't want peace. Anyway they said only last week that Ireland is at the forefront of anti-Russian activity in the EU!! I suppose they see wanting peace in Ukraine as 'anti-Russian'.

Atch
18 Mar 2022  #5779

Russians this minute gathering at Luzhniki stadium in Moscow for a giant pro-war rally...

Probably rounded up and herded in there with a rifle in their backs.

an imminent false flag attack to justify escalation... nukes?

Not sure about that. Surely that would bring NATO into it and that's the end for Russia. Mind you, at this stage, if Putin were an ordinary citizen, he'd have been committed to a psychiatric hospital having been diagnosed as psychotic. So yes, I suppose if he's lost it totally he could think that he'll go out in a blaze of glory taking Russia and the rest of Europe with him.

GefreiterKania
18 Mar 2022  #5780

Now Lavrov threatens NATO with bombing military transports of weapons for Ukraine...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-szef-msz-rosji-siergiej-lawrow-grozi-nato-transporty-wojskow,nId,5901320

... it's not only Putin. They all went crazy - a sort of collective madness or something.

PolAmKrakow
18 Mar 2022  #5781

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-szef-msz-rosji-siergiej-lawrow-grozi-nato-transporty-wojskow,nId,5901320

This was their position a few days ago. Biden has said they will defend anything inside a NATO territory. Russia may be crazy, but they are not going to go inside a NATO country without getting shelled.

Crow
18 Mar 2022  #5782

All is magnificent.

Pinching Pete
18 Mar 2022  #5783

also said that Ireland is ready to mediate between Russia and Ukraine but in his own words 'I don't know if Russia would want that.

Kind of a pus/sy statement.. What can one expect from a country that skipped WWII though?

Crow
18 Mar 2022  #5784

Irish people is wise. Wants to skip WWIII, too.

Atch
18 Mar 2022  #5785

What can one expect from a country that skipped WWII though?

Bit of an ignoramus aren't you? Huge personal sacrifice by our volunteers who served in the British Army in both WWI and WWII.

Crow
18 Mar 2022  #5786

@Atch. See, ignorant Anglo spat on Irish. Nothing new. You Irish have Slavic ie Sarmatian soul. That is why Anglos hate you. What they lost they hate.

GefreiterKania
18 Mar 2022  #5787

With every passing day it becomes more evident that Ukraine should have been accepted in NATO, together with Georgia. Putin is too scared to attack even tiny NATO states (Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia put together have about 6 million population), but he attacks a 40-million Ukraine, a country with 250,000 standing army, millions of trained reservists and territory bigger than France. If Ukraine was in NATO he would never even dream of starting this war.

One has to learn from past mistakes. I hope Sweden, Finland, Bosnia, Georgia and Ukraine (and all other countries who express such desire) will eventually become NATO members.

Priceless...

youtu.be/B84TbEZgSeE

... and who's going to shake his hand now? :)

Bratwurst Boy
18 Mar 2022  #5788

....and EU too!

We can Ukraine help better with the rebuilding inside the EU....

I read today the Russians destroyed nearly all of Mariupol!

mafketis
18 Mar 2022  #5789

Ukraine should have been accepted in NATO

20/20 hindsight...

This would have been a good idea but the current invasion is not about NATO - Mariupol had been one of the most successful cities in Ukraine over the last 8 years and that's why it's being destroyed... A non-Soviet style functioning mostly western style democracy is far more threatening to Putin's vision of the world than mere NATO is...

GefreiterKania
18 Mar 2022  #5790

I read today the Russians destroyed nearly all of Mariupol!

Russian foreign ministry spokesperson claims that it's photoshop and they haven't been bombing Ukrainian cities at all (I posted the link earlier). :)

A non-Soviet style functioning mostly western style democracy is far more threatening to Putin's vision of the world than mere NATO is.

True. Imagine if Russians started demanding the same. But, on the other hand, they don't seem to want that. All they want is being a superpower (even if it means s*it sandwiches). Oh, and they also want to invade Poland (75,5% of them). :)


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