Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

@jon357, have you ever discussed with Russians in Russian on the Russian internet?


My grandma used to believe every word of it. She was repeating it like a parrot.


I'm guessing it's because of the kind of people you're associating yourself with.

Only in real life.

I've a feeling that generation z are going to be far more savvy about internet disinformation, hype and propaganda than the generations that were born pre-internet.


The term 'associating yourself with" is generally used negatively or rhetorically in English, rather like the term "the company you keep". In fact, we may well know some people in common; something you once posted ages ago certainly suggests that we do.

youtu.be/GtOSNQRXqU8

200,000 people
Putin said a verse from the Holy Bible

youtu.be/r29k_T_o9To

Bussed in students.


Not that he's ever followed any of its principles.

Didn't he look ill. Limping too. Interesting when he started to falter and dither and then the camera cut suddenly away.

Have you ever done that in Russia? In Russian? Or, at least, with pro-Putin Russians?


If you mean young Russian people then yes, probably - it seems they're the ones protesting usually these days. I think it's also because they don't remember the 90's and so they aren't traumatised by those years. And they didn't grow up during communism and Cold War - let us hope that it will make some kind of difference... one day...


That's what I meant.


You got carried away a bit - that stadium has seats for "only" 81 000 people :):

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzhniki_Stadium

I really hope Olaf Scholz watched the event in Luzhniki, and read the statistics about the number of Russians supporting Putin, and he will stop talking nonsense about only Putin being the culprit not the poor, ordinary Russians. Why do Germans have to select such shady characters for their chancellors?

wydarzenia.interia.pl/autor/marcin-makowski/news-tylko-putin-jest-odpowiedzialny-tak-wyglada-najwieksze-klams,nId,5901713

@GefreiterKania, maybe it's some kind of "Hitler complex" at play here ("It was Hitler's fault, not Germans' fault")?

A German chancellor, precisely because of historical reasons, shouldn't spout such nonsense.

@GefreiterKania, I know, I'm just wondering whether this could have such psychological backround... On the other hand, Atch also seemed to think that those Russians had to have rifles in their backs in order to attend that concert, so maybe it's simply ignorance, I don't know... Or maybe Russophilia (or both)... 🤔


Not the same thing, imho... Hitler's party won democratic elections, while communist authorities were imposed on Germans by the Soviet Union, just like in Poland.

Yes, though in Polish and in two other languages. Three others if you count English.. Even quite often; there's something I choose not to disclose here.


And of course, they've grown up (the urban ones, anyway) in a world where the internet changed so much.


It's a very negative term in English. Are you really implying that I keep bad company?

So you've discussed with Russians who know other language/s than just Russian?


lol
No, on the contrary :)))

Lots do speak other languages. One of my closest friends is a waiter. Working class, from deepest Russia, but needs to know other languages to have a career in cities more interesting than his own. Plus of course there are other (family) connections and other things connected with the Russian language that don't belong on PF.


Thanks; I was getting worried.

All the performers at this sick stadium event can look forward to holidays in gloomy sanatoria and rotting Black Sea resorts as they won't be getting visas for anywhere else

Slivovica to all here! Party! Nazism ie Germanization and Anglicization falling. Let us drink and honor fallen heroes for freedom we see on horizon. Dominance of NATO and EU leading powers is at well deserved end!

Usually those well educated and living in big cities or working in tourist industry, I'm guessing..


Where is he living and working?

Jon357, how many Russians do you know exactly and how many of them are pro-Putin, how many anti-Putin and how many simply don't care?

Btw, an interesting interview with former Prime Minister of Russia, Mikhail Kasyanov - during the 1990s he worked in Yeltsin's administration in different positions before joining President Putin's first administration. Since leaving the government over disagreements on economic policy, he has become one of the leading critics of Putin and an opposition leader. He talks here about Putin, Russia, Russians, the current situation, etc.:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/byly-premier-rosji-putin-zerwal-maske-wszyscy-zobaczylismy-pod-nia-ciemnosc-6748701663783744a

Why do you focus on Putin? Putin is a politician and only human.

Its Russians. They are no perfect but also aren`t stupid and have strong survivor instinct. NATO and EU leading powers dominated for too long. Before them Romans and Greeks dominated. But its all only fraction of time for Slavic ie Sarmatian civilization. Now is enough. At least in our realm we rule ourselves and we support creation of Multi-Polar world that suits to all, not to some chosen to dominate.

Do you guys remember how Russia was transporting weapons to rebels in Ukraine in 2014 under the guise of humanitarian aid (in white trucks, as far as I remember)? Maybe NATO countries should be doing the same? :P ;)


Because supporting Putin is usually a clear indication of the views of the person in question, from what I've noticed.

A restaurant.


Until recently, Warsaw for many years.

One thing surprised me recently, though probably shouldn't is the attitude of some people in Russia that are known to me, each of them an ethnic Ukrainian, who until just a few weeks ago were that Putain wouldn't invade. The degree to which they actually believed that rather than just hoping its another matter.

@Paulina

Its not about Putin. How would any USA president react if Mexico have strong anti-USA policy, have alliance with Russia and consider having nukes or have capability to have nukes.

And Mexico is nothing to USA in ethnic sense, nothing to Anglos. At the same time Ukraine represent core Russian ethnic region exposed to foreign influence and meddling.

@jon357, a Russian living in Warsaw for many years? That's hardly representative of the Russian society (and even of Russians living/working in Poland). Yeah, I know a Russian who spent years working in Warsaw and he's very anti-Putin, but that's just one guy.


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Cuba has a strong anti-USA policy and the US didn't invade it.


USA wouldn't invade it.


Ukraine wasn't considering having nukes. It even got rid of it's nukes.


Eh?


Russia is a core Russian ethnic region. Ukraine is an independent country. Get this into your head.

Actually it kind of did and it was an embarrassing disaster (Bay of Pigs)

Did I say he was? Is anyone that representative of a large society?

It just looks as if you're trying to pick an argument.

Remember, Russians (like Poles) have had decades of propaganda and still do; it is a disservice to both groups to suggest that they are all are Homo Sovieticus or even Homo Polonicus if either of those truly exist. Even in a small town, there is diversity of opinion, and in both countries, the more authoritarian the given regime the more cynical the public. I(t's also a disservice to people from small towns in the sticks to assume their views and outlook on life are homogenous.

The guy in question, BTW, isn't anti-Putain. Sick of the Russian system and small-town life, not necessarily against Putain.


Well.........

Na ja.....he never got more than a third of the official votes in the last democratic elections....the real power was taken with the "Enabling Act" 1933 after the Reichstags Fire.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power

I just remember the feeling being "herded" to such events and speeches, having to wave the distributes flags and such....and I just believe that people are not that different, no matter the dictatorship....just think North Korea....I will never believe that the people there really LOVE their little fat dumpling!

To believe that Russians are inherently other, meaning worse, than Poles....or Germans....that doesn't sit well with me....

what do you guys fink of this chick who for months if not yrs has been doing this crap on twitter lol this rememberence stuff and focus just on this aspect of history alone finally being servef snd fired form her work in poland and now crying sbout it due to her hate for ukrainians?

twitter.com/ksokolowska123/status/1504888262044827649?s=21

I mentioned here before on here actually ro some americsn guy complaining about polish women as an example how narionalistic and right wing they all are here.

You are completely nuts!
Belgrade and Serbia are nothng.
Think Berlin, Paris,London and Washington.
That is where the real power is.
Oh, and you can forget Moscow for the next hundred years....Putin has killed that option, along with thousands of innocents.

@Crnogorac3

Another dreamer like Crow.
Whatever happens now in Ukraime.
Russia will still be the major loser and all its pathetic supporters, like the Serbs, will be nexr.Losers!

Please. Hostility have many forms.

But you can`t compare Cuba to USA and Ukraine to Russia.

What about Yugoslavia and Serbia? Wasn`t enough we were victims of Turkish, German, Vatican`s genocide but also NATO and EU attacked us back in 1999?


Sure. That is one reason why Russia acted to prevent official Ukraine-USA alliance thru NATO.


Nukes were in the game.


Ukraine is ethnic Russian region. Statehood and nationhood core. Then Vatican penetrated. Then German nazism came. Then communists drawn borders.

Now Russia liberating.


This logic of yours is past. EU and NATO ruined it the moment they attacked Yugoslavia and Serbia, created Kosovo side by side with terrorist Albanian UCK, created Bosnia side by side with local and Arab mujaheedines, created Croatia side by side with nazi ustashe, etc.

Not to speak of other countries invaded by NATO.

What I want to tell you there is no international order, my dear. Meaning, in this case, Russia do have right to act to correct injustice and liberate its people in Ukraine from foreign yoke.

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vietnam still will support them as will china miroslaw.

*nods*

Even China cuts the lines...


edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/business/china-russia-sanctions-friction-intl-hnk/index.html

China is quietly distancing itself from Russia's sanction-hit economy.
The two states proclaimed last month that their friendship had "no limits." That was before Russia launched its war in Ukraine.
Now, with Russia's economy being slammed with sanctions from all over the world, there is growing evidence that China's willingness and ability to aid its northern neighbor may be limited. Beijing has refused to condemn Russia's attack on Ukraine but wants to avoid being impacted by the sanctions it has repeatedly denounced as an ineffective way of resolving the crisis.

"China is not a party to the [Ukraine] crisis, and doesn't want the sanctions to affect China," Foreign Minister Wang Yi said Tuesday during a phone call with his Spanish counterpart.

Beijing also gave its full backing Wednesday to comments made earlier this week by China's ambassador to Ukraine. "China will never attack Ukraine. We will help, especially economically," Fan Xianrong was quoted as saying in a press release from the Lviv regional government....

To be honest, I'm not sure what you were trying to say.


No, I'm just asking :)


After living many years in Warsaw... So imagine what it must be like in Russia.


But I'm not suggesting that. I did discuss with pro-democratic anti-Putin Russians, but they were, and judging by the polls and everything I'm reading, still are a minority.


Well... I checked and from what I've read that was an "invasion" of Cuban emigres with the help of American mercenaries? Not an official massive land invasion of another country, like in case of Russia vs Ukraine...

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