Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

Not sure about Vietnam but China will not support Russia.
Chinese are very logical.
Allies or customers?
China will go with customers every time.... bye bye Russia!

but they had to be recently convinced and they still havent said no not to send weapons or soliders there by biden. didnt you hear? plus their propaganda is twking russian side or supporting their claim vs nato.

@Strzelec35

All politics mate.

The Chinese need to retain their customer base at all costs to keep their economy going.
They can see the global outrage from Russia's actions and will distance themselves from Russia.
There is already a growing western distaste of China, the last thing the Chinese want is to make that worse.
China will not support Russia.
Because it is illogical.

this article headline reminds me of many holywood movies and is related to the war in ukraine:

vice.com/en/article/xgdkm3/ukraine-war-grieving-father

"you killed my son i will kill your son"

Ah, so that's the problem... No, I'm not saying they're worse. I don't know that. I don't even know whether there are better and worse nations. And I wrote that pro-PiS Poles remind somewhat of pro-Putin Russians. I haven't discussed with any Germans besides you and one other guy, so I can't say much about present day Germans (besides the two of you being nice people :)).

Nations are different though. They have different history, size, power, geographical location, etc.
I didn't realise how those differences affect people's thinking until I started discussing with other nationalities, including Russians. From what I've noticed, for example, pro-Putin Russians have no empathy for it's neighbours and don't seem to be able to understand their point of view (or they don't care, I don't know). They also have no respect for those countries' choices. They are very arrogant towards them. For me discussing with those people was like discussing with aliens from a different planet... Not just because of propaganda, it seemed, but also because of... I don't know... their mentality?

They don't seem to be sharing (or care about) quite a few values that we usually care about... I don't know, maybe you'd have to discuss with them for a few years to understand what I have in mind. It was like discussing with little Putins :(

That's why I'm saying that blaming everything just on Putin may be naive...

....well....what you say about Russians I will say about Frenchies....maybe nations generally are not nice (from a certain size onwards).....*shrugs*

In elections in 1932 NSDAP got 37% of the vote which made it the biggest party in Reichstag. And this allowed for Hitler to be designated as the chancellor. Did I got it right?


Perhaps, but... France:
- isn't invading it's neighbours anymore,
- has democratic elections,
- it has freedom of speech,
- it has free, independent non-state media,
- oppostion leaders aren't getting killed or poisoned over there or sent to labour colonies,
- journalists criticising the government and corruption aren't mysteriously getting killed or persecuted,
- you won't be sent to prison for 15 years for using the word "war",
- it's a country known for protests, apparently lol
- you don't get thrown away from university (or threatened with that) for taking part in protests,
- you won't get threatened with losing your job if you don't attend a pro-government rally,
- etc. etc.

....I still don't like them! :)

@BB, the British don't seem to like them either... ;D Or is that just a stereotype? ;)

...no...it's true....they are not (very) likeable! ;)

Well... but they have nice culture... just like Russians! lol

Genau! :) Let's leave it at that....

'night all :)

That not all Russians are the same, and the curious relationship with the truth there (and to an extent in Poland too) is something that people are both used to and often cynical about. Much depends on people's level of education (n.b. education, rather than training).


One place that I'd not like to live in, however yes, I'm aware of the opinions of certain (far from random) very ordinary Russians (or their opinions immediately prior to the invasion). Whether those opinions have changed is another matter. One man (a welder from the countryside now in Moscow; far from being part of any educated elite) knew (or claimed not to know) absolutely nothing about any build up of troops or looming conflict less than a week before Putler invaded.


Yes; IIRC I pointed out the correlation between Putin's support base and state TV figures. There's a strong parallel between the relentless propaganda from Putin and the Orthodox churches on one hand and PiS and the Polish iteration of the RCC on the other.

Good night, BB :)


Yeah, sure, we can leave it at that nice conclusion, but the problem won't go away because of that, I'm afraid...

Check this out:

journalofdemocracy.org/what-putin-fears-most/

'In May 2002, when asked for his views on the future of Ukraine's relations with NATO, Putin dispassionately replied, "I am absolutely convinced that Ukraine will not shy away from the processes of expanding interaction with NATO and the Western allies as a whole. Ukraine has its own relations with NATO; there is the Ukraine-NATO Council. At the end of the day, the decision is to be taken by NATO and Ukraine. It is a matter for those two partners."'

President Putin's approval ratings (before the Special Operation): 70%

President Putin's current approval ratings: 87%

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@Atch & @Bratwurst Boy

Huge rallies in Russia in support of the Russian Army. Western dimwits won't tell you that.

Fake PR surveys won't help Poisoner Putin one title bit when he's swinging from the gallows after the war crimes trial.

Ukrainian LGBTQ Soldiers Fight Against "Darkness" Of Russian Invasion

forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2022/03/16/ukrainian-lgbtq-soldiers-fight-against-darkness-of-russian-invasion/?sh=23f28b843177

This rally and the rhetoric is strangely similar to Trump rally's that took place across the USA. These are the optic of Russia and Russian people. While mainly a big show, I am certain these optics represent at least 50% of the country among low level middle class and the poor. Considering those groups represent a majority of Russian's I would say that Putin's support is at least 70% on this. His people are masters at public opinion manipulation. I am not buying the idea that people were forced to attend this event.

The event, marking the eighth anniversary of Moscow's annexation of Crimea, included patriotic songs, such as "Made in the U.S.S.R.," with the opening lines "Ukraine and Crimea, Belarus and Moldova, it's all my country."

And we know exactly which country is next if Russia can destroy Ukraine.

How's things with Russian women, Crnogorac? Still not willing to give birth to children and slaughtering them by millions in their wombs?

WOW! The highest abortion rate in the world...

worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/abortion-rates-by-country



... unbelievable! The highest (and waaaay above the 2nd place too!). The most horrible sin, slaughtering of innocent babies in their mothers' wombs is even more widespread in Russia than HIV! Also, we have to remember about Russia's 3rd highest divorce rate in the world.

What a paragon of Christianity Russia is! HIV ridden, child murdering mainstay of Christianity, where marriages don't last :D And some idiots talk of them as of defenders of Christianity because they don't allow gay parades :D

P.S. If Russia truly converts to Christianity one day, and becomes a Christian country in any meaning of this word, then I will be the first here to acknowledge that. Until then, Crnogorac, stop spouting nonsense.

@GefreiterKania
Yes, Poland has a language border in the west and civilizations frontier in the east.

@Olaf Scholz

Hey, Mr Chancellor, look - one of the mongol pilots wrote "Na Berlin!" on his chopper (he didn't make it that far, as you see on the second photo)...



... but I'm quite sure it was Vladimir Putin who forced him to write it - ordinary Russians are peaceful angels.


Very accurate remark.

Perhaps Christianity is already doing its work? Presenting data as you do, can be misleading.

Let's look at these two images below. We can see, that abortions in Russia fell from an admittedly grotesque 4M annually around 1989, to 400K or so in 2021. The relative proportion and the absolute numbers are both dropping. It may take a few more years, but I believe you will see Russia dropping out of the top 3. If the crazy church people have their way, then abortions may be banned entirely except with a few extreme exceptions. There's already a draft of this type of legislation, and it keeps moving closer and closer to being passed.

PS - Retaining access to abortion is popular with 70%+ of the Russian population.

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This is from a Russian source, so I shall remain somewhat sceptical, but for the time being I'll take your word for it. Good news.


More good news (if true). Perhaps Russia is slowly considering that Christian option might not be the worst one? Interesting.


Which actually shows how far is Russia still from being a Christian country. But, I have to admit, that there would seem to be reasons for limited optimism.

How do you account for the African-like HIV prevalence rate (more or less on level of Nigeria or Ethiopia)...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate

... and the 3rd highest divorce rate in the world? Any signs of improvement there?

Ambitious fecker... lol I guess "We will make our horses drink from the Potomac River" would be too long ;)


I remember a Russian friend from Moscow commenting that Putin seemed to get inspired by Poland's example in using religion to unify the Russian society. If that's the case then Putin and Kaczyński seem to be inspiring each other mutually... eww...

@GefreiterKania

Very high HIV rates, just as abortion rates - have as their main explanation limited education of the population regarding family planning tools. In the Soviet Union, condoms were scarce and unused for one reason, and in Russia of the 1990s and 2000s for another. Still, situation is radically improved now.

In addition to relatively low use of contraceptives, Russia had and continues to have a medieval attitude towards drug addicts. Simple things like needle exchanges and methadone clinics cause enormous political drama. The prevailing position is - "Good - let the homos and junkies liquidate themselves". The Western world went through this in the '80s and '90s, but unfortunately Russia is still behind.

Paradoxically, it is the much revived Church which is driving a lot of the condom and junkie hate. So, it is difficult to understand all factors at play here.

The third highest divorce rate is explained, I think - and I am no sociologist - by the enormous disparity in how Russian men and women drink. If I was an average statistical Russian woman, I would also be pretty fed up and want to try making life work with someone else. Problem is - the next guy is just as likely to drink like fish. Good news is that even this is improving.

Which is actually good news, and would indicate the presence of intelligence in the aforementioned Russian leader.

This is getting interesting.

I already lost hope for the West as far as the LGBTQIAP2 (that's the latest version, right?) and the entire neo-marxist cultural shift are concerned. They're beyond help, but who knows - God is great, maybe He will decide to change their hearts one day (I wouldn't hold my breath though).

If Russia, by a miracle (it would have to be a miracle), suddenly genuinely converted to Christianity, which would be visible in their internal and foreign policies, then Poland would have to seriously reconsider our attitude towards them. Unfortunately, it seems only a fantasy at the moment.


Hmm... well, this is definitely something that will have to be watched and analysed. Russia's genuine shift towards Christianity would be a game changer.

Honestly, I'm surprised at you. Your previous posts didn't show this specific angle. Unfortunately. I have to say I'm on the opposite side of the fence when it comes to the introduction of Попы and Батюшки into every goddamn corner of life. Don't even get me started on the nuts that like to dress up in Cossack uniforms and walk around towns with a whip, splitting up unmarried couples walking together and whipping alcoholics. Time to move into 21st century.

Bunch of clowns that belong in the circus.

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Putin is definitely clever, but I'm afraid he's using Christian Orthodoxy and Russian Orthodox Church in a very instrumental way. And Russian Christianity seems to be as superficial (or maybe even more so) as Polish Christianity is.

Russian Christianity in short: gays bad, abortion bad, but invading a neighbouring Orthodox country and killing it's people - good.

Also, the pro-Putin Russians I've discussed with were very anti-Vatican. It seemed for them Christian Orthodoxy was yet another field of rivalry with the West and an element of domination over "the Russian-speaking world".


"Genuine" may mean different things to different people... Crnogorac3, for example, already views Putin as "defender of Christianity"...

Well, the war put other issues temprarily at the front but Christianity (in all its forms) has always been a decisive factor for me. Some of its forms, like Orthodoxy or Roman Catholicism are permeated with pagan elements and tainted by their past mistakes, but the core of Christianity (which still remains intact in them) is so powerful that it is the only hope for the future of human kind. And the fact that both in Poland and in Russia they are intertwined with political power doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing.


I'm not a big enthusiast of our bishops and parish priests either, but all things considered they are the power towards good.


Hmmm :) Why aren't we informed of positive sides of Russia, only about the bad ones?


21st century, and modernity in general, would seem to be somewhat overrated.

Here's an interesting article for our English speaking friends:

nytimes.com/2013/03/17/world/europe/cossacks-are-back-in-russia-may-the-hills-tremble.html

youtu.be/kRTJKcIljzU

My, deeply personal, position on these idiots is that all real Cossacks are long dead. The last ones signed their death sentence when they collaborated with Hitler. These cosplayers/reenacters should go and find some useful work to do.