Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

Sure. For the worse. Russia becoming even more a sh*ithole


The funny thing about NATO expansion, is that it is not used as an argument by Kremlin or Putin when building up to the invasion, and even now, they are not using it is an argument. They are still sticking to their guns: Ukraine must be denazified and its biolabs removed. The USA dictate argument comes solely from western useful idiots that where falling over themselves to find reasons to justify the invasion, and it's been repeated on occasion by Kremlin because... wait for it... *drum rolls* ... it is a useful argument for them.

Orban's conduct in recent weeks is puzzling. He's a two-faced arsehole, no doubt, but so far he always had the best interest of Hungary in mind. How did he come to the conclusion that being, as much as it is possible in the current situation, Russia's Trojan horse in the EU will benefit his country is a riddle. Maybe it's just cowardly calculation - "the West is not going to invade us and Russia might, so let's play nice to them just in case"? But why this "alliance" with Serbia then?

Even more worrying is the German attitude, after their initial proper reaction.

The plot thickens.

Russia would so much weaken western European powers so Poland would also get rid itself of mad Germano-Franco-Papal dictate. Perfect opportunity for Poland to be independent, like Serbia and Hungary.


Ne brini dobri brate. Don`t worry, really. We Serbs follow things and see that Russia moving forward. Trust us Serbs. Stay with us so we together stabilize lands between Baltic and Balkan. We offer fair deal to Russia and to western Europe, to USA and to China. We work with all for the sake of our interests.

Place of Poland is side by side with Serbs and Hungarians. We count on Poland.

Sure he cares, he cares a lot. Otherwise he wouldn't be hiding that well and keep that distance from his guests.


lol!
NATO, well Ameircans need to be more firm with Putin and bring up nukes and more forces.

Total ban on trade with Russia proposed by Poland for the entire EU. I like the aggressiveness of MM these days as the war has been going on. While I am not a PiS fan, I have to say they have risen to the crisis and have done an excellent job helping Ukraine and calling for sanctions.

All the religious talk is really quite funny. Considering the USSR history with the church. This is not a holy war. This is an unholy war if anything.

Poland is with Serbs. Traitors who serve NATO and EU won`t destroy Poland.

Sounds a right nutter.

Did you read about him online.


Risky, hard to do, will bring privations,but, it has to be done. The politicians who propose the hardest sanctions have gone up in my estimation.


A huge part of the history of Christianity is its exploitation by tyrants whose values are absolutely the opposite of it. Putin is a good modern example of that.

Looks like the Ukrainians have killed yet another Russian general. This would bring the number up to 5.

the-sun.com/news/4930921/putin-loses-fifth-general-blow-invasion-ukraine/amp/

Very impressive indeed.

I wouldnt be surprised if one of these remaining Generals or someone from his inner circle takes Putin out.

I think if you're letting in Ukie refuguees -- lots of money is coming to your country. Hell , even I've given $20 buck already. Anyway, might be good to let them in and advertise it. This will offset the burden on your people is all I mean.

youtu.be/GBq7YjRt1Lg

These two have already raised over $30 million bucks. They're just two bit actors, after all. Everybody in the US is giving, it seems.

@Novichok
This is exactly why no one GAF about you or your stupid opinions. You are a refugee living in the USA and you wont leave. You are the shining example of just another legalized Mexican.

Meanwhile there are lots more video's on social media of Russian tanks, and personnel carriers getting destroyed. And now Ukraine is getting the switchblade drones. Very nice technology there should help take out a bunch more.

I wonder if Putin is going to have another Trump like circus rally any time soon? He looks bloated and overweight these days. Clearly not the picture of physical strength he used to portray.

Yeah, hence all the donations. Your "glorious" Putin is in fact, glorious retard, for bombing babies that look like a lot of American babies.


Yep, they will . Once Ukraine is liberated. I know you sit around in New Jersey, Brighton Beach or where ever the f/uck, making ice sculptures of Putin , but it's going to be damn near impossible to hold that country. Then, what happens, well Hollywood comes around throws money at the Ukies, American builders come around. Sleazy? Yeah, to a degree.. but at least they go on as sovereign.

Only someone who has no idea about how modern Poland works could say that, anyone else would know what an important part of the economy Ukrainian labor has become....

The Biedronka across the road already has two new trainees (from guess where) and a friend whose job entails certifying foreign credentials says Ukrainians are already showing up.


Still can't believe your luck?

I saw thousands, if not tens of thousands of Ukrainan refugees over last few weeks. Barely any young girls, mostly middle-aged or older women, often with children. Barely any men, even elderly. Also, from my own observations, majority comes from the east and speaks Russian for the most part.

Several I talked with in train were concerned primarily about finding good job, not leeching off Polish hospitality. I lodged one woman (with daughter) for two weeks in my house, and it's been difficult to keep her from doing all chores for us - if I let her, she'd make my house sparkle, as a token of gratitude. Three women my company hired as a menial help are the most hardworking, polite employers we had, even if one could see they've uncomfortable on foreign soil.

Excellent point. And it's not surprising, one bit.

Look he cares about his hide. That is my point. If he belives that USA will use nukes on him, he will never risk using it first in Ukraine, nor would he do anything IF NATO established no fly zone at least on the west of Ukraine.


Is it? How it benefit me? They generate costs that are paid from taxpayers money. If you think that you can make money on refugees that your chance let everybody in into your country! Do you say anything that poop up in your mind?

Doesn't everyone? And if your answer is anything other than yes, then you have begun to understand the very dark point I made about après moi, le déluge.


It's as likely or more so to be the UK and France, if it happens. Of course, it's understood that the first response to a nuclear strike will be with conventional weapons. If he escalated further, that may well be his endgame anyway. After all, all Poisoner Putin has done so far is escalate without any mitigating factors or actions whatsoever. Even the diplomacy was/is a sham.


I think so, you think so, the military officers at NATO HQ however, the ones who've spent decades gaming all the possible outcomes of a NATO/Russia conflict, disagree with you and I both on this.

Either way, the risks for Poland are huge and the future potentially bleak. We all hope it won't be however the risk is both real and something that could suddenly escalate faster than the grease whippet. You obviously don't need me to tell you the damage Russia and other politically and culturally absolutist regimes have done in Poland. It is naive to imagine that 1945 saw the last Russian invasion or 'liberation' of Poland.

Surrender Stasiek says Ukrainians are parasites that need to be put on trains and sent somewhere... maybe surrender them to Russia! Or just send them back to Ukraine. Who cares what happens to them there? Not Surrender Stasiek!

@Novichok
Let me do a little econ 101 for you. The average small business in Poland just received 2 million new customers with money in their pockets. The wealthy Ukraine people got here just before the war started and they filled a lot of apartments that were vacant. Lots of very nice cars parked with Ukraine plates. Oh yeah, and it is freeing up the EU money to Poland too. So, other than a tax drain where taxes were completely F'd in Poland this year anyway, the average person is benefiting. That's the demand side of supply and demand.

The next time you want to talk econ, just dont. Dont come to a gun fight with a butter knife.

So does Wojtek sitting at the end of the bar and annoying people...

Nevertheless, only two things however matter: what NATO HQ in Brussels and the leaders of the three (i.e. not Poland or the Baltics) NATO nuclear powers decide and what Putler does. Very little else.

Obviously you care deeply about Poland not being nuked - anything else would be a surprise. So do I since everything I have (in terms of the person that matters and my home, as well as it being the place I've lived for most of my adult life).

Nevertheless, expecting a country of 330 million and 2 countries of 67 million each to potentially sacrifice their entire urban populations for an unstable country of 40 million that gets invaded every few decades is a very big ask indeed.

If (or when) Russia actually attacks Poland, that is when Article 5 its triggered. Not before then, not least because unlike Putler, NATO do not wish to escalate an already highly dangerous situation.

No, genius, because the average person works a low-paying job and does not own a "small business". Besides, "small businesses" are just pass-through places and do not produce spendable nation's wealth. Wealth has to come from somewhere else. If you ask, I will tell you from where.

Also, if 2 million non-producing refugees (don't give me any crap that a Ukrainian woman with a couple of kids on Polish welfare is a net asset to the Polish economy because she spends her welfare money) are a plus, another 10 million should be 5x that. Right?

Even if she works, the taxes she will pay will be a drop compared to the services she and her kids will be receiving.


The law of supply and demand has been known since Adam. You can exhale now and get down on the floor.
Gunfight is one word.

Hey, Surrender Stasiek (our own Lord Ha Ha and/or Tokyo Rose) has to make up stuff to carry on his mission of spreading the gospel of surrender to Putin....

@Novichok
I dont GAF about GDP. War is about humans, and the human impact. Econ 101 is not GDP related idiot. Econ 101 is basic supply and demand. 500+ and 40 zl per day per person into the economy is 80 million zloty per day being spent in small business, like grocery stores, small restaurants, and small mom and pop stores. That's a lot of money. There are lines in some small cheap restaurants where there were empty tables just 3.5 weeks ago.

Taxes? What taxes? No one even knows what the Fing tax rates are now. You are so lost in your argument you forget you have not been to Poland in a long time. You are not qualified to even forma an opinion on what happens here any more. Stick to your twisted version of USA history and how comparing apples and oranges should be the sport of the day. You have zero clue about how business works.

Go talk to a hammer or something which is better suited to your education level. If one person has a gun and the other a butter knife, it can not be a gunfight because it is a singular gun. Gunfight is multiple people with multiple guns. They probably dont teach that in GED class.

Interesting Moscow claim:
Russia's military has fired a hypersonic ballistic missile and destroyed a big underground arms depot in western Ukraine.
If confirmed it would be Russia's first use in this war of the Kinzhal, or Dagger, ballistic missile launched from the air, most likely by a MiG-31 warplane.

i dont really get why or if usa would go to a world war over poland and not ukraine. how is poland any more important? i mean they also had a similar treaty or guarantee when they gave their nukes up to nato.

Poland is a member of NATO. A strike against one NATO country is a strike against all in the alliance.

Now they know it wasn't a similiar treaty or guarantee! Without a signature under an explicit treaty nothing counts really when pushes come to shove aka the Red Army invades.....

"Poland is a member of NATO. A strike against one NATO country is a strike against all in the alliance."

but ho do u know if it never happened or was tested? also do you really think this thread or idea would stop russia right now from invading ukraine? if it was just say tomorrow made a memebr or right before the war like a day before?

I can see how every Joe in Peoria would yell, hey, guys, did you read Article 5? Albania was attacked by Kosovo!!! Let's go!!!
And the guys would say: Where the fu*ck is Albania? Let's get another round...

The prospect of suddenly finding 30 countries against it is good motivation for Kosovo to behave itself.