Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

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Large Russian convoy destroyed

This is Beau, don't let his appearance fool you - He's not a "bydlo" . Here he talks about high grade weapons that will soon be delivered to Ukraine.

youtu.be/2U1tUVhNp_4

Holy sh1t... BB, now I understand better what you meant when you wrote this:

To make matters worse (hard to believe that's possible) that's a children's hospice... what kind of sick society makes terminally ill children form semi-swastikas in the snow?

That's what nuclear weapons did - they made far reaching degeneration of entire nations possible. In normal pre-nuclear times, such aggressive unpredictable country, invading its neighbours, would be f*cked in every possible hole (to use a poetic figure of speech) a long time ago - like Nazi Germany was after 6 years or like Napoleon's France was after 16 years, and its society would never have the chance to become so degenerated - they would be healed by a sudden reality check. Atomic weapons, unfortunately, made possible the existence of such unsustainable abomination like Soviet Union/Putinist Russia for such a long time. They made cutting out the cancer impossible. It is undoubtedly the most unnecessary, tragic and harmful invention in the history of humanity.

Jesus, maf... You're right:

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-children-hospice-z-ukraine-b2031341.html

Thanks for the info... Unbelievable... That's really a new low...

And more... According to Ukrainian intelligence Russia is considering sending to Ukraine 17-year-old reservists from "Putinjugend":

o2.pl/informacje/to-nic-ze-nie-maja-18-lat-rosyjski-minister-obrony-podpisal-dokument-6749278961072960a

What is "Putinjugend"? It's them:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Army_Cadets_National_Movement

Their logo:



O_O'

According to Ukrainian intelligence the total number of members is 16 mln, with over 64 000 being 17-18-year-old.

You have quite the ignorant mouth.. Over? Maybe constantly bailing out Europeans is over. If you're in Poland, cross the border and fight maybe?? Since you people are so brave and so forth. If something was going on in Canada, we wouldn't be begging the EU for help. And you can bet the EU wouldn't help anyway. Seriously, why do you think the U.S. owes you this guard dog like position anyway? Kind of pathetic, tbh.

Why can't France, Germany and the UK step up to the plate for once?
Pete makes a valid point!

Yeah seriously.. France has some extremely high grade weapons too. Makes you wonder.

Germany and France have a soft spot for Russia:

theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/26/nato-allies-policy-russia-ukraine-analysis

"France, looking at the same intelligence provided by the CIA, does not see an imminent invasion, or a gathering of forces equipped to invade in the next three weeks"

"Quite why Germany takes such a stubbornly forgiving, or optimistic approach to Putin fills libraries'

carnegiecouncil.org/publications/articles_papers_reports/russian-soft-power-in-france

Cause it's called NATO u dumb ass moron?

Personal attacks is all you ever have. Childish as hell. I thought that was against PF's policy? BTW: Trump thought about getting out of NATO. He was right. NATO for us, is paying the most for everything, getting all the blame, having to do all the heavy lifting. Who needs "allies" like you? You're like picky bums or something.

@amiga500, Pinching Pete has a point... You're very demanding with not much to offer and not much to lose as a Pole living in Australia... It's easy to talk "tuff" when you're living on a separate continent at the other end of the world...


NATO is the only counterbalance for countries like China and Russia. If the US - the biggest and strongest country pulled out of it and USA would turn completely isolationist, NATO would probably lose any significance. That would leave China and Russia to do whatever they want to whomever they want. Would you like to live in a world completely dominated by such countries like China and Russia? I wouldn't...

I understand your feelings, but what can I say... For nations like Poles the US and NATO in general are like the only force of good in this world... Not perfect, but defenitely better than any other option.


Maybe ask your Navy Seals, for example, what Poles were needed for in Iraq...
Poland answered the US call every time your country asked for help. When the US invoked Article 5 NATO responded too. You never know when you may need the support of your allies... One day the US may not be as powerful as it is now... Pride goes before a fall...

I do agree, though, that other NATO countries should step up to the plate, so the US wouldn't have to carry all the burden.

Has anybody else heard the latest news about the forcible deportations of Ukrainians to Russia? Apparently they're rounding up Ukrainians from Mariupol and taking them over the border. Ukrainian lawmaker Inna Sovsun said that according to the mayor and city council in Mariupol, those citizens are going to so-called filtration camps and "then they're being relocated to very distant parts of Russia, where they're being forced to sign papers that they will stay in that area for two or three years and they will work for free in those areas." Being taken as slaves basically. I'd like to believe it's fake news but I'm very much afraid it's not.

Russia has a tradition in sending people to Siberia.

Yes, I forgot to write about it:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/przerazajace-doniesienia-mieszkancy-mariupola-sila-przewozeni-do-obozow-w-rosji-6749108817160960a

Back to the Soviet Union with deportations and gulags, it seems...

Do you remember how Russia wanted the refugees from Mariupol to go through the humanitarian corridors to Russia ? Experts were saying that Putin may want to keep them in there so they wouldn't tell the world about Russian war crimes... I was also thinking that they may want to hold those people as hostages... And who knows, maybe they also want to depopulate Ukraine, like during Stalinist times? o_O


I haven't read about this... Jesus... I hope this isn't true... Although at this point, who knows what Russians are capable of... :(


Yeah... :((

They like to think they are. Some of them, anyway. And those who think it are currently both realistic and correct.


The EU was formed as a trading bloc, which it is. It was not 'formed' to deal with murderous dictators and absolutist regimes in the east.


Do you think people from Mongolia are savages? And what 'club' is Russia in, other than the club of pariah states?

Have you heard their marching song? It's horrific...

@jon357, no, I haven't... Could you post it?

I saw it last night and am looking for it now. If it's genuine, it's a shocker.

And has morphed into a platform for transfering wealth to Germany, which has morphed into Russia's strongest ally in Europe.... so that's disappointing...


One friend (Ukrainian with a PhD) says that a lot of Russian problems came from the Mongol invasions which set it behind the rest of Europe by about 200-300 years. Attempts to close the gap have consistently failed to make anything more than surface progress and Russians have developed psychic armor about how superior they are (which they don't really believe).

The combination of internalized superiority and inferiority complexes are the source of the problems it keeps causing...

Yes, Iraq is often brought up again and again by the Polish. Do you really want to know why the U.S. wanted such a coalition there? Not because we needed it per se but because it gave moral legitimacy to the operation. The more countries you have in there it looks better as a justification. Iraq was a fool's errand, if there ever was one But seriously, in no way shape or form does the U.S.need any European allies, to be honest. We would be just fine being isolationist and it's much cheaper to do so.

Poland wants to be allies with us mostly to get a lot of our military tech, imo. Russia and China aren't really imminent threats to us. You an call it boastful or whatever , but it's true. Our European allies are mostly parasitic. Trump simply called this out.

@Pinching Pete, Poland is paying for your military tech, it's not like we're getting it for free. If your industry doesn't like our money, we can buy it somewhere else, I'm sure that's not a problem, especially that American military stuff is expensive both as products and in maintenance, apparently... ;)


Yes, it did. And what about Afghanistan? If the US didn't need any help then why did it invoke Article 5?

But, hey, if you want to get out, then it's not like we're putting a gun to your head to keep you in NATO, are we...

Frankly, what would you with all those hungry mouth from western Europe when EU crumble in ashes, when there are no resources, when factories are no more, when Muslims there rebel,... when hell get loose? What would you if you are Russia?

Siberia. Siberia is for them. What else. Russia would have obligation to help to those people who are still left alive. Vast lands of Siberia are perfect for new cities.


Please. What Ukrainian intelligence? Intelligence of independent Ukraine? Intelligence of Azov force? Intelligence of CIA sector Ukraine?

Please be more specific.

@Paulina
I am afraid, Poland will share the fate of Ukraine without USA and NATO. So we need both.

USA and NATO aren`t safety guaranty. Far from it. Only Poland`s projects with other Slavs and independent Poland`s policy are guaranty. Like policy of Hungary and Serbia. Open to all sides without blackmailing any side.

If Poland is capable of this, Poland is safe.

I can't believe the deportations thing is correct - why would they waste trucks, troops and gas doing that ?

But if it is true then needs to be made clear to the Russians - every single one of them who participated in that is a war criminal. Whether they are in Moscow organizing it or just the guy who changes the tyres on the truck.

Kamil Galeev has a new thread on ethnicity and age and support for Putin's war.

twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1505576153804800000

Shorter version. Ethnic minorities (despised by 'real' Russians) are heavily over-represented in the army as are kids from the sticks. But numbers are dwindling. Also the biggest supporters of the war are the elderly and insane (mostly women cause men in Russia don't live so long...).

He coins the term "Babushka fascism" which is hilarious and tragic all at the same time.

Every day brings further evidence of Russian war crimes against civilians...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-nagranie-rozmowy-rosyjskiego-zolnierza-mowi-o-zabijaniu-cywi,nId,5905582

... and they are doing this to people that they consider, according to Putin, to be the same or at least brotherly nation. Shocking.

an article

Now, Germans told to eat less meat to 'fight Putin'

> thenewsmen.co.in/world/now-germans-told-to-eat-less-meat-to-fight-putin/66830