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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades



mafketis
22 Mar 2022  #6271

I think modern missiles and airstrikes are precise enough

But the Russian army is objectively awful and inefficient (a good thing for Ukrainians, at least).

Russians don't maintain equipment either, so....

Crnogorac3
22 Mar 2022  #6272

So stop diverting attention from the evil that Russia is doing to Ukraine and it's people.

twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1505899581422329860

The point of everything is that Bush or Clinton are not war criminals, but that's why Putin is??? It is estimated that between 600,000 to 800,000 Iraqi civilians died during the American "shock and awe" invasion.

none of what the US was doing throughout it's history is the fault of the Ukrainian people.

Deputy Mayor of Dnipropetrovsk. His sponsor's flag is bigger than his.

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This is a war between Russia against the Deep State over the territory of Ukraine. Ukrainian forces are only proxies of their master accross the Atlantic in Washington.

And it isn't true that no sanctions have ever been imposed on the US:

You have to improve your comprehension, the period mentioned refers to the tenure under those war criminals in the photo, most of those sanctions came during the Trump presidency who interestingly was the first US president in many years who didn't start any wars.

france24.com/en/americas/20210119-trump-touts-record-of-no-new-wars-standing-up-to-china-in-farewell-address

PolAmKrakow
22 Mar 2022  #6273

@Crnogorac3
You stupid Russian F. Please tell me when Ukraine was responsible for a terror attack on Russia. Please tell me when Ukraine went and started a war. Because the US had dealt with many terrorist attacks in the middle east, and 9/11. You and your people are so Fing stupid its embarrassing.

Cojestdocholery
22 Mar 2022  #6274

You

I have found something that might explain why all those Serbians are defending Russia:

youtu.be/aLUGkww38hg

Paulina
22 Mar 2022  #6275

"De-Nazification" Russia-style:

facebook.com/712798598781844/posts/5021818904546437/

A 96-year-old Boris Romantschenko was killed in the bombardment of Kharkiv. The block of flats in which he lived got hit and his flat burned down.

When he was 16-years-old he got deported to Germany to do hard labour and was a survivor of the following Nazi concentration camps: Buchenwald, subcamp of Mittelbau-Dora, the infamous Bergen Belsen and Peenemรผnde camps. For many years he was the vice-president of the International Comittee of Buchenwald-Dora.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-60826303

'Romantschenko, who was not Jewish, returned to Buchenwald in 2012 to celebrate the 67th anniversary of the liberation of the camp by US troops, where he recited the pledge made by survivors to create "a new world where peace and freedom reign".'

The Nazis didn't manage to kill him, but Russians did :(((

May he rest in peace...๐Ÿ•ฏ๏ธ

And may Putin rest in pieces...

Boris

Tacitus
22 Mar 2022  #6276

This is a war

So it is a war, not a "Special Operation"?

The Nazis didn't manage to kill

What a tragedy... .

Paulina
22 Mar 2022  #6277

The point of everything is that Bush or Clinton are not war criminals, but that's why Putin is???

War crimes are when civillians and civillian homes, hospitals, schools etc. are being targeted on purpose, intentionally, by the armed forces in question, as far as I understand. I remember instances when Americans bombed something by mistake in Afghanistan, for example, but I've never heard of the American army leadership or American political leadership being accused of giving orders to target civillians on purpose in either Iraq or Afghanistan.

You have to improve your comprehension, the period mentioned refers to the tenure under those war criminals in the photo

Are you telling me that during that period Russia, China, etc. didn't impose any sanctions on the US for what they deemed to be war crimes??

This is a war between Russia against the Deep State over the territory of Ukraine.

LOL

*facepalm*

PolAmKrakow
22 Mar 2022  #6278

Goldman Sachs, the worlds most conservative financial ratings company just said they predict Russia GDP to drop by 10% minimum. If they are saying 10% minimum it is likely closer to 15%. They went on to say that they expected Russian inflation to skyrocket based on sanctions in place. People already fighting over food and toilet paper in stores.

You know what happens when GDP plummets, and Inflation skyrockets? Your currency become actual toilet paper. Your foreign currency reserves become hyper devalued. Even after any sanctions are lifted, an American Dollar in Russia will likely only by 25% of what it did just a month ago. Russia = F'ed

Crnogorac3
22 Mar 2022  #6279

Action of pro-Ukrainian screamers in Riga. These can go comfortably to be observed in a mental institution.

t.me/belshkvarka/40853

This is how I imagine our friend pawian. ๐Ÿ˜

Novichok
22 Mar 2022  #6280

between 600,000 to 800,000 Iraqi civilians died during the American "shock and awe" invasion.

They died for "democracy" and were killed by a "democracy". And to protect my "freedoms". So those were good deaths.

when civilians and civilian homes, hospitals, schools etc. are being targeted on purpose,

When weapons and ammo are stored in a hospital it's no longer a hospital. When a civilian picks up an AK, he is no longer a civilian. Old Palestinian trick.

If Russia really meant to kill civilians on purpose, there would be tens of thousands of them dead and on display for the world to see. Did you see how a crowd of civilians made that military vehicle stop and turn around instead of running right over them? That would be a splendid opportunity to stop any such future encounters. Yet, the Russians decided not to have that show-and-tell.

Paulina
22 Mar 2022  #6281

@Novichok, the court in Hague will judge whether there were war crimes being committed (and still are or will be) and who was responsible for them:

apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-genocides-crime-war-crimes-europe-499d7b6a9e955f659284b2edc6f1c508

And:

theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/16/un-international-court-of-justice-orders-russia-to-halt-invasion-of-ukraine

"The UN's international court of justice (ICJ) in The Hague has ordered Russia to halt its invasion of Ukraine, saying the court had not seen any evidence to support the Kremlin's justification for the war, that Ukraine was committing genocide against Russian-speakers in the east of the country."

This is how I imagine our friend pawian. ๐Ÿ˜

Nah, I'm sure he could deal with your kind very quietly :) ๐Ÿ˜Ž

Crnogorac3
22 Mar 2022  #6282

Yes, Russia behaves like an empire, arrogant, etc., but this is one big truth:

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Purely for those who still think Putin is solely to blame for all this.

Quote, Biden 1997: "The only thing that will FORCE Russia into a massive reaction is the expansion of the NATO pact to Russia's borders."

For smart people that's enough.

johnny reb
22 Mar 2022  #6283

This is a war between Russia against the Deep State over the territory of Ukraine.

That is the kind of propaganda that has backfired on Putin.
The other smaller neutral countries to Russia like Finland and Sweden are getting nervous that they may be next and are starting to think about joining NATO before it is to late.

Lenka
22 Mar 2022  #6284

Then why Russia didn't attack when a bordering country joined NATO? And I mean joined and not just been rumored to want to?

And if it's about NATO why Russia didn't attack NATO?

jon357
22 Mar 2022  #6285

So stop diverting attention from the evil that Russia is doing to Ukraine and it's people.

Remember that hdistractionand disinformation are normal for Russia and their supporters...

You know what happens when GDP plummets, and Inflation skyrockets? Your currency become actual toilet paper.

There is already mass panic-buying and empty shelves in Russia.

georgegalloway

hahahaha

johnny reb
22 Mar 2022  #6286

Very good points Lenka.
Did you see what Trump suggested ?
He said Putin continuously bullies and threatens with the use of nukes.
Trump said the best way to curb that talk is to have NATO's nuclear subs patrol the coast of Russia.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-says-he-would-send-nuclear-submarines-to-go-up-and-down-russia-s-coast-to-pressure-putin/ar-AAVlAda?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

There is already mass panic-buying and empty shelves in Russia.

I think that is because their money is becoming worthless.

Novichok
22 Mar 2022  #6287

And if it's about NATO why Russia didn't attack NATO?

For the same reason why NATO aka the US didn't attack Russia for having the WMDs but did attack Saddam - because the US could get away with that? The other good reason to attack Russia would be because Russia is not Civics 101 "democracy". So what's going on?

Oh, I got it...Maybe there are other factors beyond Lenka's simplistic 3-grade question to consider before ending life on earth.

Still curious...Why is nobody asking Z how many Ukrainian lives is he willing to lose before agreeing to the Russian terms? We know that he too can stop this war but somehow this little factoid is never mentioned. Weird...

Paulina
22 Mar 2022  #6288

For those who keep ranting about NATO's "broken promise not to enlarge" - it's another of Putin's lies:

brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/amp/

"What the Germans, Americans, British and French did agree to in 1990 was that there would be no deployment of non-German NATO forces on the territory of the former GDR."

"When one reads the full text of the Woerner speech cited by Putin, it is clear that the secretary general's comments referred to NATO forces in eastern Germany, not a broader commitment not to enlarge the Alliance."

It was confirmed by Gorbachev himself.

Also:

"Several years after German reunification, in 1997, NATO said that in the "current and foreseeable security environment" there would be no permanent stationing of substantial combat forces on the territory of new NATO members. Up until the Russian military occupation of Crimea in March, there was virtually no stationing of any NATO combat forces on the territory of new members. Since March, NATO has increased the presence of its military forces in the Baltic region and Central Europe."

And:

"Putin is not stupid, and his aides surely have access to the former Soviet records from the time and understand the history of the commitments made by Western leaders and NATO."

And if it's about NATO why Russia didn't attack NATO?

Because Russia would get destroyed :)

We know that he too can stop this war but somehow this little factoid is never mentioned. Weird...

You always fail to mention that Putin could stop this war and not start it in the first place. Weird...

Crnogorac3
22 Mar 2022  #6289

t.me/intelslava/22843

Zelensky blames Poroshenko for putting a clause on NATO in the constitution. ๐Ÿ˜

Novichok
22 Mar 2022  #6290

You always fail to mention that Putin could stop this war and not start it in the first place. Weird...

OK. Putin can stop this war. Z can stop this war.

Putin started this war for reasons similar to why the US, UK, Poland, and others started the war in Iraq. If that one was just, so is the current one.

Actually, it's worse for the war in Iraq. Distance from Poland to Iraq - 1500 miles, still short enough for Iraq to be a threat to Poland. The distance from Russia to Ukraine - 0 miles, yet the US in Ukraine, dressed up as NATO, would not be a threat to Russia.

Did I get it right?

Crnogorac3
22 Mar 2022  #6291

Then why Russia didn't attack when a bordering country joined NATO?

The Baltic dwarfs joining NATO was a symbolic message and a show of strength, Putin always said that Ukraine was the red line. There is a big difference if a nuclear missile is flying 2,500km to 3,000km or 400km-500km from the Ukraine border to Moscow in 4 minutes, it means you cannot organize a proper evacuation, a country's whole leadership could be taken out.

Novichok
22 Mar 2022  #6292

there would be no permanent stationing of substantial combat forces on the territory of new NATO members

Who give a fu*ck about "combat forces" with cruise missiles and superbombs...There is something a lot worse stationing on the territory of NATO members.

Now, pay attention, because it gets boring from repetition... It's ARTICLE 5!!!!!! The tripwire to doomsday.

BTW, that was funny when we were debating what is is. "Substantial" ain't funny.

Pinching Pete
22 Mar 2022  #6293

Ah, and everything's clear now... Another anti-semitic nutcase.

Truly rich coming from a Pole. Difference is, I wouldn't aid to exterminate them. Sure, they have to much influence in the US, and deserve to be called out for the messes they create.

Novichok
22 Mar 2022  #6294

...and the spying.

johnny reb
22 Mar 2022  #6295

Oh, I got it...

Actually you are clueless with your First grade Commie comments.

Because Russia would get destroyed :)

Exactly.
There are more nukes pointed at Russia than the opposite.
Putin uses the N-word to bully with.
NATO bites it's tongue to such childishly bullying knowing such an Apocalypse out come of such insanity.
Somebody needs to let the air out of Walt's messiah and soon.

Novichok
22 Mar 2022  #6296

There are more nukes pointed at Russia than the opposite.

With lawyers like you, the West doesn't have a chance at the Hague.
That was a stupid thing to say, genius. Yeah...NATO, a peace-loving pussycat that left a million dead in its wake. Conventionally, of course, so it's OK.

Besides, Saddam could have surrendered early on...so what's the problem...


  • Iraq.jpg

johnny reb
22 Mar 2022  #6297

That was a stupid thing to say,

Anyone that disagrees with you are stupid so such a statement from you, Walt, is meaningless.
Have you got your bicycle out for the season yet ?
I think Putin's oligarchs are plotting to topple him as their wealth from their ill-gotten gains are being slowly confiscated ?

Vlad1234
22 Mar 2022  #6298

But the Russian army is objectively awful and inefficient

It is suspiciously inefficient...

Crnogorac3
22 Mar 2022  #6299

youtu.be/mtvKEeyRVOk

When this is studied in history at least 30 years from now, no serious historian will rule out NATO enlargement as the reason for the conflict. Putin knew this would happen. Ukraine in NATO was always going to be a knife in the stomach of Russia. He decided to put an end to it now.

Novichok
22 Mar 2022  #6300

Anyone that disagrees with you are stupid so such a statement from you, Walt, is meaningless.

No, I didn't say anyone is stupid. I said: That was a stupid thing to say,... Duh!
It was a stupid thing to say because "There are more nukes pointed at Russia than the opposite" makes Putin's "paranoia" believable and justifiable.

BTW, your English sucks. It should be is, not "are".


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