Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

LOL, this one is so typical...



... it's like in this old joke:

Q: Kto wynalazł rower?
A: Rosjanin. U Niemca na strychu.

:)

For those of you who can read in Polish - a brilliant article about propaganda in Russia...

tygodnik.interia.pl/news-wielkie-oglupianie-rosjan,nId,5916618

... very aptly titled - "The Great Stupefying of Russians".

bild.de/politik/ausland/politik-ausland/ursula-von-der-leyen-eu-laender-wollen-gas-gemeinsam-einkaufen-79571600.bild.html

..."Instead of outbidding each other and driving up prices, we will pool our demand." For pipeline gas, the EU represents about 75 percent of the market. "We have enormous purchasing power," said von der Leyen. ....

*nods*

Together we are the strongest!

...According to the declaration, the Western Balkan countries and "the associated eastern partners" of the EU, i.e. Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova, should also benefit from the joint purchasing platform.

The published statement states that the member states and the EU Commission should "urgently" push ahead with joint purchases with a view to the coming winter. French President Emmanuel Macron called group buying "the best tool to bring down the price of our gas". ....

Great news! Finally. One deal and one price for the entire EU - no separate negotiations, no internal rivalry. Brilliant.

Did I say bi-polar? Of course I meant tri-polar. Go EU! :)

I counted the EU with the US as in "West"....but tri polar is cool too! :)

How big Russia really is? Without the common Mercator projection misconception? It's very easy to check...

thetruesize.com

... not that big really - and half of it is ice and snow. :)

Having said that, a division into three independent countries: Muscovy, Siberian Republic and Greater Mongolia
would be beneficial for the entire world in the future.


Right. Of course the US and the EU will be close allies. Let's say two-and-a-half-polar. ;)

While I like all the posts, the war is not over. They are still shelling all these Ukraine cities and will continue to do so. That said, when they fall back. Ukraine needs to go on the offense and retake Donetsk. Russia needs a complete defeat.

you missed the punchline...

"Governor Orlova obeyed and commanded a local factory to create a Russian tractor...
(in Czech republic) ...she's buying kits for her home-produced tractors...
Now she's an Auditor of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation. She'll be checking the transparency of other branches of government and make sure they use government funds efficiently"

Peak Russia....

They still have nukes and they haven't given up. Don;t celebrate, is too soon. They haven't given królewiec to Poland. Aslo we need to watch Germany they haven't given up to back stab us with their EU plots.

Why would Poland agree to that? So far Germany might economy has been bulid on cheap Russian gas. I haven't seen them sharing, they were crying about Germany paying for evrything in the EU and demand that Poland obey them becaus of that assumption.

Now they will have a tough suitation but that is their problem, I said many time agrrogance and greed is Germany downfall. Well, they wanted Russian and Germany rule the world again - at least the EU.

I will not vote on any politicial force in Poland that agree to that plan. Poland is fine getting oil and gas. If Ukrainie wins we can a get pipe from Iran that could be the EU investment.

The EU and that Van Layden still is onto Poland with their nonsense about courts and those fake refugees.
Syrian Mother with children they all look like men in their 20'.
Suprise Ukrainian mother with children acctually looks like a mother with children but that racist according to some.
Some people needs to go and that her and all those EU brass. There is no money for that circus anymore, need to bulid up a proper army.


It would be enough if we get królewiec, nothing to do with any divsion, China will take Siberia anyway, no matter we like it or not.

Only solution for Poland is to immediately declare military neutrality like Serbia or at least to follow example of Hungary.


Yes. That. Russia didn`t start this operation without anticipated development and preparing for inevitable. If there is no deal with prospect of status quo or worse, nukes will fly.

You think USA will then respond with its complete nuclear potential? No, it won`t. Biggest price will pay Europe NATO countries. But whole world will suffer, that for sure.

If things then escalate on Pacific, who knows how this can finish. Maybe even in total armagedon.

And you people are happy Biden didn`t eat beans in Poland and didn`t fart.

If I`m in any NATO Europe country, 300 km from Russian-Belarus border, if live in Capital city or city with main military camp, I would start packing and migrate to Serbia.

To All! You live in Capital city of any NATO country, in Moscow or Belarus, In Beijing, etc? Start packing and run.

Essentially in progress.... aggression in Ukraine is meant to camouflage that from the Russian public...

Idiotic thinking. How? Why? Workers there work, excavate, etc and its good to both countries. Why go to war? Why be nuked?

But one of these days morons like you will learn that nobody can`t take anything from global nuclear power. You will learn the hard way. No, I won`t smile to it. It won`t be funny at all.

Keep aping Kremlin propaganda. Lies repeated 1000 times still remain lies.

... why I even bother, r*ssian brain doesn't comprehend any form of acting in good faith.

They literally have no biological ability to understand relations not based on violence and domination.

Why not? Why are angry at me? I'm not China, not my idea either. I just know very little about China but what I know in realtion to Russia is that they will take Siberia or a part of it. When and how I don't know and they have nukes too.

No taking. It can only be given, for all sorts of reason. But, no taking.

@Korvinus

You say Hungarian Orban is idiot? Serbia is crazy to be neutral, officially?

You wouldn`t like Poland to be neutral? or like Hungary?

Golden words. It's possible, still, that the Ukrainians will suffer some cruel blowback from their admittedly very successful PR campaign of the first month of the war. Already every rebellious teenager on Reddit is trolling the pious adults for buying into an enormous amount of clear fakes (largely because modern kids are actually better than adults at information hygiene). The same way my nephew thought it was funny to support Trump and wear MAGA hats - for the simple reason that it got huge reactions from his politically correct family - but whom we later looked at with much deeper curiosity once Trump was elected. Some large part of the population thought it was a good idea to bash Trump on the daily shows for his clownish behavior and continuously opine on the absurdity of the mere idea of him getting elected, but all it did was set us up further for our own harsh reckoning with how little we understood of what was going on. Modern people are conditioned to search for self-gratifying narratives on short time scales, and are poorly equipped for when reality does not match.

That, and other examples have made me sincerely believe you can use kids, to an extent, as a sort of barometer of what's in the popular undercurrent (maybe because their intellectual development accords to that of the majority of the population). They don't understand anything about Ukraine, or Trump in example, but they understand that there is something to be won in this case by adopting the contrarian stance.

If you are able to read Ukrainian/Russian - consider using the search function on some popular Ukrainian websites for terms like «Дебальцево» and «Иловайск», with publication dates around 2014 and 2015. Look at how the narrative was formed in the lead up to those military disasters, and in how fantastic a fashion reality finally collided with scrupulously manufactured fiction of growing success.

Guess who Ukrainians blamed most? The same people that throughout the early months of the conflict in 2014 consistently announced that Ukrainian forces were about to reach the Russian border. Nearly the entire military command of Ukraine was sacked in the aftermath. The president's popularity rating collapsed and never rebounded.

My feeling is that this time they will be kinder to their own people, and instead direct their anger at the West. Indeed, Ukrainians fought heroically, and resisted to 150% of the level anyone expected of them. They did what they could. So they will likely blame the West for not doing enough and for feeding them with false promises in their moment of need. Putin, after all, is a mad dog and there's no sense being upset with him. However, the failed Mig 29 transfers, and then the comical S-300 transfers will be remembered as bitter humiliations. For all the potential miscalculations on Putin's part, this victory he has already won. Ukrainians are completely disillusioned with the very ideas of European solidarity that they went to the Maidan with in 2014.

I understand if Germans and Poles may not like to hear this, given the huge amount of refugees these countries are hosting - but truly - the gratitude will be limited and short lived, while the resentment will stay for long. This is whether all of Ukraine is occupied, or if only the Donbass and Kherson republics.

And to watch peacefully as our neighbours are being slaughtered by hordes from mordor?
Then wait till putin is ready to gobble another country along with its neutrality?
No. Lets take on russians now, while they are overextended.
There may be not better time to teach them a lesson.

Poland was wiped off the map twice, as a result of 1) Treaty of the Three Black Eagles, where Prussia, Austria and Russia conspired against it; 2) Ribbentrop-Molotov pact where unified Germany and Russia conspired against it.

So everyone with even a tiny bit of intelligence, required to support even the most basic pattern recognition (which apparently excludes people like you), can see and understand current political situation and choices we've made.

Well, Poland receives just as much gas from Russia relative to its' size as Germany.

Good thinking, Korvinus. That's what we need now - calm and clarity of thought.

There is nice concentration of NATO forces on the eastern flank at the moment...



... let's quickly build up and hit the mongols with everything we got. And if the nukes fly, the nukes fly.
F*ck it. Who wants to live forever anyway?

@Bobko
Clearly you do not have your finger on the pulse of things in Poland. For the last several years Ukraine people have been going to Poland to work in huge numbers. They are experiencing tremendous financial benefits through the "west". Z has been stupid to ask for things he has known would not be given like direct intervention, and Ukraine people know this and are saying the same things. Poles also know that the whole Mig transfer BS was a Polish plan to deflect their fear of getting actively involved. The US will as usual come out looking like hero's.

The financial commitments to Ukraine will only grow, and when the war is over, US companies will go to Ukraine and not return to Russia. Russia will not get another chance with the west until Ukraine is completely rebuilt and a member of the EU. Then little by little some business will return, but Putin will be gone by then. Sanctions will not be lifted, and now everyone knows it is time to absolutely decimate Russia once and for all.

If you dont understand the psyche of the west toward Russia now, you never will. This was the last time Russia will get away with something. Putin totally missed his mark. His mental incompetence to manage a country is completely visible to all now, and he is not qualified to even be a mayor of a city let alone a dictator. That is your leader. As more Russians get killed today, maybe thinking about their families is smarter than thinking about the BS party lines you have been repeating.

Start packing people and come here where people plan business, real estates, sex, etc and not dream of invasion at Russia or USA.

No, Gawron, you better come to Poland. There is a great romantic movie in cinemas at the moment...



... it's called "Invisible Man". Start packing and come here.

If Poland is wise, Poland would declare military neutrality and call Serbs to deploy on Polish-Russian border.

Fuc* up NATO membership and think of Polish children. After all, we have to think of new Commonwealth and not to spend ourselves in NATO and EU moronic affairs.

What Poland really have with mentally-electrified NATO? With poor EU?

I have no doubts. Hollywood is already preparing a film. The script has already been written, a young defiant Valery from Mariupol, a black man from a mixed marriage, and his husband Ismail are defending Mariupol from the horde from the east. Just as the villains besieged them in one street, John Rambo, a 75-year-old specialist with extensive experience from many wars, bursts in from the sky, kills the entire aggressor army with a single burst from an American machine gun and heads to Moscow to continue the series.

For the happy ending a Ukrainian soldier also falls in love with a Russian prisoner of war.

This is literally the movie I expect in max 6 months. 😁

And even more important, they see a Slavic society, not tremendously different from their own in many ways, that functions with nowhere near the level of bribery and corruption and government theft as their own.

If Poland can exist in a more honest non-Russian way.... why can't they?

That's what Putin (and Bobko and Velund and Crow and Montenegro) hate - a society where citizens aren't afraid of government and don't lie and cheat and steal to survive.

Poland is far from ideal and of course corruption exists, but it's only part of the question, while corruption is all the Russian world has to offer...

Dude, you don't have to be pro-Putin to be against globohomo. There's more than sh*it to choose from.

I expect that NATO will get involved any day now.
Will NATO stop in Ukraine or march right into Moscow ?
Have you bought your Iodine pills yet ?
I heard that they are in high demand with a short supply in Europe right now.

Can you guys keep Biden in Poland? We really dont want him back. His approval rating fell to a new historic low of 33% and calls for his impeachment are getting louder.

Pleeeeease!!!!