Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

What Ukraine?


Don`t you think that Russia and Slavs in general lost too many people in that old game Drang Nach Osten? So this time nukes are viable option.

After all, USA used nukes on Japan. Last time NATO used depleted uranium against Serbs, in 1999.

The US did and they worked as intended - even with the suicidal nuts like the Japs. Today, nukes come in different sizes and it's smart to listen to a "paranoid nut".

So far, that "nut" did exactly what he promised. I do recall something about no NATO in Ukraine now and ever...Don't believe it? I am fine with that. Don't. The dead in Ukraine didn't.



Thanks, Crow. I knew that there would be at least one poster here with brains.

Let us hope magnates behind NATO don`t destroy us all in their attempt to control just everything.


Yes, this is another global public secret in connection to the Serbs.

You think somebody from NATO ever was jailed for usage of depleted uranium in massive proportion against people, infrastructure, nature,..? Guess what... never.

They should be grateful to Putin for his honesty about the nukes. Such surprises tend to produce nasty results. See: H and N.


Because they used depleted uranium for "democracy".

Yes, he told them nicely. Not that he didn`t.

Here is my English translation: Don't fu*ck with me!
Is that close enough?

@Novichok, could you answer my questions from post #7,164? :)

So he's back at dick waving nukes because that's the only thing he has left.
Can't stay ahead of the nukes game if you can't stay ahead of the tech game. Can't stay ahead of the tech game if your economy can't even keep afloat. The clock is ticking for Russia.

The USSR fell apart because they were not as smart as China is today about how to run the economy. No, the USSR did not fall apart because of restless natives. That's what NKVD and gulags were for. They were very effective.


Did you send an email with this dire comment to Putin?


Do you really want me to repeat what the Mongols have achieved so far in the tech game?

It is in the nature of people not to believe in their own destruction, their own ending. So probably they misunderstood him.

It's hard for bullsh*ters to believe somebody who is not since lying to the voters and the nation is the standard operating procedure in the Western "democracies". I will skip the list for now.

i will say it again TVP World is doing an excellent job, this is the moment the PiS gov set it up for, like Ajazeera a lot of of the world experts are tuneing in at the moment, and they are interviewing all the polish geopolitical experts, defence24.pl etc who speak perfect english

Oh Dear, there seems to be some clucking from the progressive left about the situation in Ukraine this evening.

Let's get something perfectly clear, shall we? Ukraine was a peaceful, independent country that has been violently invaded by its belligerent neighbour.

That's it, nothing else....any other considerations are just no longer valid, period........

Never mind WW3, someones got to put a stop to this. I know what I would have done but that's the Klingon in me......draw your own conclusions but I have every faith in America's 82nd and 101st airborne............

Here Endeth the Lesson........

Paranoia must be very contagious...Now, not only Putin but China as well. Quoting:

NATO should have been dissolved in 1991 - China
The US-led bloc is an obsolete product of the Cold War, Beijing insisted

China believes NATO should have been dissolved after the USSR, which it was created to contain, no longer existed, the Foreign Ministry explained on Friday.

Spokesman Zhao Lijian lamented the fact that instead the US-led military bloc expanded and cornered Russia, eventually triggering the present bloodshed in Ukraine.

Hey, Zhao, do you realize how awfully boring it is to just sit there and do nothing? With a boogeyman like Russia - it was Iran not long ago - there is excitement, trips, promotions, and a lot of money to spend. Then, after retirement, a nice job with one of the swamp suppliers - while still on a government pension. We call it double-dipping. Life is so sweet if you can pull this off.

BTW, if I am not mistaken, the British Ministry of Colonies dragged on way past when the last one was turned over to the natives to make a total sh*it out of what the white Brits did for them. That's why NATO will never die and that's why Russia's idea to join was summarily rejected.

It obviously is.
Mainly in Russia and China.
And promoted by both of those gangster states.

If China is a paranoid gangster state, what are the US and Western Europe that send boatloads of cash to it?
Claims like the one you just made have consequences, Milo.

Yes Rich repeat what the Russians have achieved in the Tech game please

Why only last week they added a second TV channel that you can pick up if you stand on the balcony in the freezing cold with one hand clutching the cheao aluminium aerial and the other on the crumbling railing of your depressing commie flat.

next week there are rumors thar an electric coffee machine will be available to party cadres at GUM - of course no electricity and no coffee but you should still be thankful ti Vlad who provides all this bounty for you

Search for Mig-31 in my posts.

Well, of course China and Russia would like to have no rivals, noone who could challenge them, stand up to them - fragmented, disconnected West would be much easier to deal with :)

It's not up to Russia or China to decide which alliances should continue and who can be part of them. This is ridiculous, arrogant and simply selfish. Other countries have the right to think about their security and well-being too.

Russia is also a part of a military and economic alliance - Eurasian Economic Union and Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO):

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization

They even have your "favourite" Article 5:

"Similar to Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty, Article 4 of the Collective Security Treaty establishes that an aggression against one signatory would be perceived as an aggression against all."

So, do you think we like having CSTO right on our NATO border with that "horrible Article 5" of theirs? Do you think we like it when Russia does joint military exercises with Belarus near a border with Poland, like Zapad 2021, for example ("Zapad" means "the West", btw)? Do we like it that there are Russian missiles in Kaliningrad that can wipe out Warsaw? No, we don't, but I can't say we were losing sleep over it. We've learned to live with it.

So why Russia can be in a military alliance with not only other countries, but also NATO neighbours, why other countries, including NATO neighbours, can be in alliance with Russia, but... we can't be in NATO? Why?

Why NATO is "obsolete", but CSTO isn't?

Who is "we"? And who said that "we" can't be in NATO?


Russia's exercises in or with Belarus are one thing. The US in Poland is another. Go to Google maps and measure the relevant distances.

Please don't insult me with a line about NATO "European allies". Hahahahahaha...There are better ways to insult me.

@Novichok, post-communist countries.


Russia and now also China apparently.

Btw, where did you get that quote in your post #7,184? Could you post a link?


Well, yes, for Poland that's much worse, because we have a border with both.


Sorry, but I don't get it.

NATO is free to put this item on the table.


You are lying. Russia said no only to Ukraine.


Nobody except Poland gives a damn about Poland. Poland is a vassal country on US military welfare and can act only as a trigger.

Yes the MIG 31 is a leader among fighter jets - so awesome it was exported to Kazakhstan and er....thats it

Rusty junk made out of discarded sprat cans and in any case not much use when your hungry tired pilots are all sozzled on antifreeze by 9 am.

;D
No, I'm not lying lol First Yeltsin said that Russia doesn't have anything against Poland joining NATO, but later he took back what he said, which was very badly received in Poland.


Well, I hope that you're wrong :)


How so?


Due to the latest Russian invasion on Ukraine and the general situation in the world, I doubt anyone in their right mind is thinking about ending any alliances.

Quit deflecting. There are only two nouns of any relevance: NATO and Ukraine. Poland was never part of the USSR. Ukraine was.


Show me.

Never trust what you read. Quoting from Bloomberg:

The military in Ukraine said it retook several villages in the Kherson region to the south.

Retook or re-entered because the Russians left?

How am I "deflecting"?


Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia were all part of the USSR too and they're members of the EU and NATO.

So what? There are only two nouns of any relevance: NATO and Ukraine. It's because Putin said so. No, this is not a high school debate contest or a criminal trial. Russia has no obligation to please anyone by being consistent under the idiotic rule that it's all or nothing. A country can pick and choose and the US is great at it.

WMDs: Iraq - yes. Pakistan - no.

@Novichok, on this very thread I quoted an article about Putin saying (I think he said that in 2005) that relations between Ukraine and NATO are their business. He was talking about Ukraine and NATO as about partners. So when NATO started being such a problem for him?

And anyway, even if it was about NATO - Putin made his point already. Zelensky said that clearly the NATO doors are closed for Ukraine and that Ukraine agrees to being a neutral state. So why Russia isn't withdrawing it's troops from Ukraine?


Eh... What? What are you talking about?


Iraq was hostile to the US, Pakistan isn't.

Vladimir Putin has changed the world. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Wall Street had ruled the planet. Do it our way or else. Saddam Hussein dared to sell his oil for euros. His country was bombed, invaded and occupied. Colonel Qaddafi wanted to create an African dollar backed by oil and gold to protect Africans from predatory American and European Bankers. His country was bombed and invaded.

vidrebel.wordpress.com/2022/04/01/if-i-were-vladimir-putin/

Btw, according to statista.com Russia has the biggest number of nuclear warheads in the world and more than the US:

statista.com/statistics/264435/number-of-nuclear-warheads-worldwide/

Number of nuclear warheads as of January 2021:

Russia: 6,255
USA: 5,550