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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades



Poloniusz
13 Feb 2022  #781

Try to comply. I already did. :):)

No you didn't comply. Your haughty reprimand of another poster has nothing to do with Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades.

So guess what you need to do?



That's right, OBEY!

Both with forum rules as well as answering the call to lay down your very life if needed in the defense of Kresy should Russia invade traditional Polish lands and threatens harm to the Poles still living there.

Vlad1234
13 Feb 2022  #782

I'm curious to know what do you think about national character of Russians, Ukrainians and perhaps even Belorussians? What are positive, neutral and negative features?

Poloniusz
13 Feb 2022  #783

All three countries are multi-ethnic with some groups more dominate than others. Even this has shifted in composition over the centuries.

Vlad1234
13 Feb 2022  #784

All three countries are multi-ethnic

I asked not about countries but about ethicities.

Alien
13 Feb 2022  #785

Boeing military planes (some of all).
B17 Flying Fortress
B29 Superfortress
C17
E3
V22 Osprey
F18 Super Hornet
EA 18G
Boeing/Saab T7
and so on....

Novichok
13 Feb 2022  #786

From pl.usembassy.gov/message-to-u-s-citizens-poland-ukraine-border-open-to-u-s-citizens-february-12-2022/

Message to U.S. Citizens: Poland/Ukraine Border Open to U.S. Citizens - February 12, 2022

U.S. citizens must present a valid U.S. passport and proof of COVID-19 vaccination. Travelers are also encouraged to present a negative test result from a PCR or antigen COVID-19 test, which will facilitate entry into Poland.


Translation: Have virus? Stay in Ukraine and die.

I wonder when Poles turned into morons. We should remember this event when they need to leave in a hurry.

pawian
13 Feb 2022  #787

reprimand of another poster

Yes, I am prone to always reprimand you and other posters for your sick opinions. That will never change coz I feel obliged to do it. Such a character, I can`t help it. :):)

the defense of Kresy

Darling, this is not Poland anymore, it is Ukraine. You got it all mixed up. Look at the map. Contemporary one , if possible.

s harm to the Poles still living there.

No native Pole needs to go to Ukraine to fight. Instead, Ukrainians of Polish background living there might take refuge in Poland, especially that 76 years have passed since WW2. Isn`t it much simpler?

So, can you knock off those infantile suggestions of yours? You play stupid and then cry that I reprimand you. Try to be more logical, darling. :):):)

Poloniusz
13 Feb 2022  #788

I asked not about countries but about ethicities.

In many countries outside of the West ethnicities have a symbiotic relationship with the countries they are citizens of.

You even acknowledged this when phrasing your enquiry and these particular groups having a "national character."

On their own there are a lot of positive qualities found with Russians, Ukrainians and Belorussians in terms of culture, cuisine, etc.

Things turn negative though (and all three are guilty of it) when one group seeks to dominate another. This is often done through demonizing and even denying the other's very existence; preventing the learning and use of the other's own language; or denying fair public representation in places like government, the courts, the education system, etc.

Whether it is genuine or rigged, there is no denying that ethnic Russians in Ukraine have been involved in appeals to Russia rather than Ukraine to address their problems.

Over many years now Poland too has prioritized raising concerns and mistreatment of Polonia with the governments of the countries where they live (such as Ukraine and even Lithuania). Poland has programs to repatriate and reassimilate these Poles back to Poland. Unlike Russia though, Poland has never even sought to retake lost land where Poles still live.

amiga500
13 Feb 2022  #789

Boeing doesn't manufacture arms.

"Boeing Defense, Space & Security (BDS) is a division (business unit) of The Boeing Company based in Arlington, Virginia. It is responsible for defense and aerospace products and services. It was formerly known as Boeing Integrated Defense Systems (IDS). Space & Security makes Boeing the second-largest defense contractor in the world,"

Missiles
CIM-10 Bomarc
LGM-30 Minuteman
AGM-69 SRAM
AGM-86 ALCM Cruise Missile
MGM-118 Peacekeeper
UUM-125 Sea Lance
AGM-131 SRAM II
Boeing Ground-to-Air Pilotless Aircraft
Harpoon (missile)
Standoff Land Attack Missile
AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER

PolAmKrakow
13 Feb 2022  #790

@Alien
Yes. Not one gun, or bomb, or other defensive or offensive military item made by Boeing. Military technology, flight technology always precedes when the civilian airlines will get the technology. But thanks for playing.

Designing flight mechanisms by contract for the US government, is not deploying bombs. There are people designing military flight mechanisms, such as drones, from all around the world. Funny how the trolls come out during these times.

amiga500
13 Feb 2022  #791

Not one gun, or bomb, or other defensive or offensive military item

Guess you need to look up what a cruise missile is in the military dictionary.

pawian
13 Feb 2022  #792

prioritized raising concerns and mistreatment of Polonia with the governments of the countries where they live

In another thread, you were vehemently against raising such concerns. Does it mean you changed your mind at last after all intracacies were properly explained to you?

PolAmKrakow
13 Feb 2022  #793

@amiga500
Having lived in the US, having actually been to Boeing, knowing they manufacture components, never has a bomb left a Boeing factory. All components produced under military contract are delivered to the military where they assemble components. Never will you see a LGM-30 Minuteman being shipped down the road on a truck to a military base. It doesn't happen.

Yes. Boeing delivers flight technology. So does NASA. So do other private companies in the US. Delivering complete bombs, and bomb designs does not happen. Do you think for a second that the US would put all its eggs in one basket and give Russia the opportunity to exploit that location? That would be the absolute top target in the world for technological warfare.

many of the items you listed though are no longer even used and are decommissioned. That said. For arguments sake, lets assume I am completely wrong and they are building bombs at Boeing. I still love the stock and don't GAF if it offends anyone.

johnny reb
13 Feb 2022  #794

Let's get back on topic, Girls.
Sanctions should be imposed on Putin and his cronies right now for what they have cost the world already.
Not the Russian people themselves however.
Putin should be removed from office at all costs before he gets a lot of people killed.
He has always ruled (bullied) with an iron fist to get what he wants only in this case he doesn't understand that war is not the answer.

If he decides to invade, the mothers in Russia don't like their children going into what he's had to experience that body bags from the moms before, so he has to know that war is not an answer.

There are very severe consequences to his aggression, and NATO is united in using them.
It's time that Putin takes his $70 BILLION that he has stolen from the people of Russia and rides off into the sunset.

PolAmKrakow
13 Feb 2022  #795

@johnny reb
Well said. I just read a report on how much money he has taken. 40 to 200 billion are the estimates and no one knows for sure. Guy is a strong leader, but he is a dinosaur and should be extinct like the rest of them.

Poloniusz
13 Feb 2022  #796

In another thread, you were vehemently against raising such concerns.

I have always been proud and supportive of the Polish government's acknowledgement, lobbying efforts and action to protect the Polish diaspora.

Unlike you, the PRL birth-certificate holder, who smugly writes off Polonia every chance you get.

Look you even did it only a couple of posts ago in this very thread!

this is not Poland anymore, it is Ukraine...No native Pole needs to go to Ukraine to fight. Instead, Ukrainians of Polish background living there might take refuge in Poland, especially that 76 years have passed since WW2.

So what you are saying then is that you see yourself as a "realist" and prefer to just sit back and watch as if it were a war brewing between alien tribes on another continent rather than give your unquestioning support to the Polish government's proactive programs which look after the interests and wellbeing of Poles living in neighboring countries.

pawian
13 Feb 2022  #797

I have always been proud and supportive of the Polish government's action to protect the Polish diaspora.

Really?? Funny how you are either lying consciously now or forgot our very first encounter in this forum 3 years ago. You even called me a nationalist when I defended Poles whose rights were violated by another country`s government. :):) And you also added that the government was right in passing any laws they deemed necessary.

wellbeing of Poles living in neighboring countries.

So, 3 years ago you didn`t care about Poles living in other countries in Eastern Europe., That is why I asked you now if you have changed your mind. :):)

johnny reb
13 Feb 2022  #798

I defended Poles whose rights were violated by another country`s government.

Please explain this as I am confused here.
In November 1918, Ukrainian vs. Polish battles for Lwów began.
Poland was fighting against the newly created West Ukrainian People's Republic.
The Ukrainians lost and in July 1919, the entire area of so-called Eastern Galicia found itself in Polish hands.
Did Poland steal land from Ukraine like Russia is now trying to do ?

Novichok
13 Feb 2022  #799

Did Poland steal land from Ukraine like Russia is now trying to do?

Russia is not trying to steal anything.

Russia wants NATO out of Ukraine just as the US wanted the Soviet missiles out of Cuba and the WMDs out of Iraq.

Miloslaw
13 Feb 2022  #800

No surprises there then...

Did Poland steal land from Ukraine like Russia is now trying to do

No.
Learn your history before commenting.

I am confused here

No surprises then..

mafketis
13 Feb 2022  #801

Russia wants NATO out of Ukraine

That's an excuse, Russia will be aggressive to Ukraine because the Russian state (and many Russians) hate the fact that Ukraine exists and doesn't want to be absorbed into Russia....

There was no talk whatsoever about NATO before 2014....

Stop carrying that evil little gnome's water....

pawian
13 Feb 2022  #802

Did Poland steal land from Ukraine

No, it wasn`t stealing. Poles tried to retrieve the lands which once, before the last partition in 1795, had formally made an integral part of the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth. Lwow, which you mentioned, was inhabited by 60% Polish population. It is natural that Poles considered such cities and neighbouring area as rightly Polish.

I don`t think your attempt at looking for analogies here is correct. Remember that 1918 was the year when the most horrible war ever waged ended and Europe was in complete disarray and chaos. Trying to juxtapose it to the current situation is too far fetched.

Miloslaw
13 Feb 2022  #803

@mafketis

Spot on!
Russia is nothing more than a weak bully boy.
Which is why the resident Serbs on this forum love them so much..
All of them are just a bunch of weak pussies.....

Novichok
13 Feb 2022  #804

That's an excuse,

You don't know that.

the Russian state (and many Russians) hate the fact that Ukraine exists

You don't know that, either.

There was no talk whatsoever about NATO before 2014....

Then came 2014 and everything has changed.

If NATO in Ukraine is not in the plan, all NATO has to do is say so. But they won't. I wonder why.

It is natural that Poles considered such cities and neighboring areas as rightly Polish.

That's why Russia considers the Ukraine areas where Russians live as rightly Russian.
Thanks, pawian. I knew I can always count on you.

pawian
13 Feb 2022  #805

You don't know that, either.

Yes, we do coz it is very simple to understand. The Kremlin needs Ukraine to fully recreate the traditional Russian Empire.

Miloslaw
13 Feb 2022  #806

The Kremlin needs Ukraine to fully recreate the traditional Russian Empire

Are you insane?
I look forward to you answering the questions posed by Poloniusz.....

Novichok
13 Feb 2022  #807

The Kremlin needs Ukraine to fully recreate the traditional Russian Empire.

How did you get these documents? Or were they published by AP?

I look forward to you answering the questions posed by Poloniusz.....

...and skip hahas and smiley faces.

johnny reb
13 Feb 2022  #808

Trying to juxtapose it to the current situation is too far fetched.

I should have put @Pawian to avoid the Russian troll from chiming in with his always Commie Propaganda.
Thank you Pawian as I knew I would get a reasonable explanation from you.

Novichok
13 Feb 2022  #809

Trying to juxtapose it to the current situation is too far fetched.

You are right. What counts is 130,000 Russians at the border. No LGBTs, though. This must be corrected ASAP or Ukraine should refuse to give them visas.

Also, proof of vaccinations - something Poland demands from the US citizens in Ukraine.

jon357
13 Feb 2022  #810

the Russian state (and many Russians) hate the fact that Ukraine exists

Spot on.

The Russian troll farms are particularly active right now, especially on newspaper comments pages. Understandable since their paid trolls are mostly youngish and some will undoubtedly have younger brothers doing their military service (of the troops massing on Ukraine's border, the average length of service is 8 months) and of course many if not most will be returning home in zinc coffins.

The only variable factor in the 18 year-old Russian conscripts' fate is how long and how loudly little Dima, Kolya and Seryozha will scream in pain and terror as their flesh chars while they are burned alive.


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