Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

...because nobody wants to die for Ukraine just as nobody wanted to die for Crimea. Except for the idiots here.

Well, actually, the PF idiots want somebody else to die for Ukraine. To them, it's like playing chess in a room with a gigantic screen.

@Velund
You look very intelligent. The geopolitics of the United States determines that the United States must expand outward, and they must establish a strong navy; Become the "World Police".

The fact is that the decline of hegemonism has led to the decline of the current global influence of the United States

I sure as hell don't want war or Americans or EUians dying either.

Problem is we are headed toward that (or becoming a Chinese underling) because we have lost the one thing that has a proven track-record throughout history of being an effective purveyor of peace: deterrence. Isolationism sure as hell doesn't work. Toothless diplomacy doesn't work. Shared economic interests don't work. What works is a really big stick and the will to swing it when necessary and justified (e.g. knocking off al-Baghdadi, etc.)--keeps the tough guys honest and puts them on notice.

Our big stick takes 40% of all money spent on military stuff on the globe. Russia spends ten times less. Do you think that Russia fears foreign invasion?


Who is the enemy we have to deter? Please don't say it's China - the country we sent our manufacturing to and have a 400 billion a year trade deficit with. We are funding and, thus, arming China.

@AntV

I'm not polish. What I saw on Twitter is that you poles are more afraid than Ukrainians. If you understand the reality, you will find that Putin is a very rational and restrained person.

In fact, as early as 2014, strykov (I don't know if it's this name) led 42 people to fight back the regular army in Ukraine, which was recalled by Putin. Now the man scolds Putin every day in Russia. It can be said that this event is at most a proxy war

Neither am I.

@Novichok

We deter whoever may be a threat to our vital interests and/or sovereignty. You appear to have some kind of purist view, that if something isn't pure and perfect then we have no justification to defend against it. It's a mentality that is no different than wokeism, where the woke determine what is right and just and any perceived derivation or impurity of their definition is not tolerated and deemed unjust. Just because we do business with someone doesn't mean that we don't have reasons or justifications to deter them from breaching our vital interests.

Of course. I think Putin has legitimate concerns and the West (especially the US) dropped the ball with Russia in the 90's, but that doesn't change the fact that Putin is a tyrannical autocrat and his invading Ukraine is not merely unjust but a despicably immoral act.

@AntV
In a word, the truth is rifles and bullets. Small countries are doomed to be victims of the game between big countries. To put it worse, "equality" has been a luxury since ancient times.

I believe that Putin would not have done so if the global media controlled by the United States did not play up the dissatisfaction of Russian nationalism, or if NATO had expanded eastward to the door of Russia.

What does America want? They the wars in Russia and Ukraine, strengthen the rationality of NATO, strengthen the control over European countries, weaken the status of the euro, safeguard the hegemony of the dollar, and reap the people of the world.

We must clear it

Wabojobbo, I ain't in the market for the psycedelic mushrooms you're trying to sell. But, I hear Crow buys 'em in bulk....as long as they're foraged in a Slavic forest by Serbian virgin maids.

@AntV
The US only supports Taiwan because it committed to doing so publicly. Taiwan offers no strategic military advantages for the US any more, and the US knows that China will eventually take it back. This is a foregone conclusion, and US military have already said there is no way the US can stop China from doing it. They will not put US soldiers in China's cross hairs. Ukraine for the US/NATO is more strategically important because it represents a few things. First, the Cold War victory and the fall of the USSR, and that symbolic victory means a lot to the military. Second, it is in essence a border to halt the advances of Putin in his goals. Not to mention Ukraine is actually a democracy that while imperfect, does look to be one that the people want. Democracy is the name of the game for the US.

Funny how no one has mentioned retired Russian military advising against this Putin plan slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/02/ukraine-crisis-putin-military-opposition.html

Its an interesting take on Putin. Putin is after all robbing the country of billions for himself. Really he is a modern version of Gaddafi in a better suit, and just a bit smarter. Remember Gaddafi wanting to take over Africa, proclaiming himself king at one point? Very similar personality traits or maniacal leaders.

In the end, years from now, Russia as we know it today will be a memory and history lesson. This invasion of Ukraine is likely the beginning of the end for Putin. At 69 years old, he will not be able to lead forever. Someone may take him out, or he will just die in the next decade or so. Either way, he does not have enough time to realize his dream of recreating the USSR.

...and here I think the smarties in Washington and Brussels know that too, that's why we will send a message sooner or later....we will draw a line somewhere!

This conflict with China has been in the making for awhile now, that bruhaha with Russia is only a proxy war....one of many following....

As of 10 am today - russian border is crossed by 95000 refugees from Donbass, including 31000 childrens.

....and the Ukraine reports its first killed soldier!


kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/1-ukrainian-soldier-killed-1-wounded/

One soldier was killed, one wounded, five soldiers got combat-related trauma as a result of shelling by the Russian-backed militants in eastern Ukraine....

t.me/The_Kyva/1799 (guy from ukrainian Rada)...

"Now we are waiting for Hungary, Poland and Romania to present their rights to the territory that was obtained by Ukraine during the "hated, occupying communist regime".

With such a "clown" (in power), it will be sin does not to do this, and need to hurry, he has not much time left for him

Ternopil, Chernovetsky, Volynskaya, Lviv region was prepared for a long time, receiving second citizenship and are looking forward to their "annexation". ✌️

True, monuments of Bandera will have to be removed, but this is definitely not fundamentally for them, in their history the main thing - was always sausage !!!! ) "

@Velund
The depth of your ignorance and stupidity knows no bounds. But again, you are Russian so it is predictable.

Ukraine has called all reserves to active military duty. This gives them an internal army of about 250,000. While Russia has some technology advantages, Putin could just get beaten by numbers alone. If enough hardware makes it to Ukraine, they have a man to man advantage.

Russian army moving about 10 kilo per day. They are now 20 kilo outside of Ukraine and setting up field hospitals. You don't set up hospitals unless you are expecting casualties. If as Putin said, Ukraine's are essentially Russian people, why would he be prepared to kill them? Lets hope there is a sniper in Moscow with balls enough to take him out.

8 years of fighting thanks to Russia is not what I would call pacified. The Eastern Ukraine was peaceful until Russia destabilized it.

Putin complained a few days ago that in 2000 Klinton niglected his proposition to join NATO. Do you think it was a mistake? Probably it would be great if all countries in Europe would be in EU. No more wars and conflicts. Probably even Russia would be pacified.

@Vlad1234
What don't you understand about no one in the rest of the world wanting anything to do with Russia and Putin? Russia is not in Europe, it is really more of Asia than anything else. Do they not teach geography in Russia troll school?

That is as evasive as they come. "Whoever"? Try that when asking for billions in Congress. So why do you need this amount, Mr. President? I don't know. Just in case. Whoever may attack the US.

Can we agree that the amounts we spend and what we buy depends on who is the likely aggressor? 19 Muslims we let in and trained how to fly big planes, Mexico, or China.


Is there a good reason to insult the man? If so, I would like to know what yours is.

Neither is Turkey.

Part of it is.The most populated part.


A small part of turkey is also in Europe.

This Novicock is quite a clown. 6000 posts since 2020, and I'm sure every single one is as idiotic as the last. Forget to take your meds there, chap?

Clown - a person that "thinks" about volunteering to go to war not because he is under attack but because that will make him feel better about himself.

Actually, moron would be a better term.

@Vlad1234
And Turkey was smart enough to cuddle up to NATO 70 years ago. They are not part of the EU.

@Miloslaw
Clarification, Russia is not a European country, while a few Russian cities are in area's that could be claimed as in Europe, does not make it a European nation. The majority of the country is located in Asia.

@Novichok
As for insulting your Russian comrade Vlad, I really don't care. His comments insult the intelligence of even a slightly educated human. He is typical Russian brainwashed troll. Tolerance is not intended for everyone, it is only intended for those who do not have the capability to know better. And all one has to do is 10 minutes of research to understand he is not dealing with facts, or any common sense.

But hey, happy gulag to all the Russian supporters. May your countrymen get every bullet swiftly and may it be true as to have death be instant. That better? Its about as sensitive as I can be for stupidity.

If only all the Russian soldiers I'd be encountering were like you Novicock, then I'd already be at the front line. Unfortunately, things are more complicated than that and I still believe most Russians are good, normal people.

You can't encounter them from your couch. BTW, easy with that remote. Somebody with a gun may think you are armed and shoot you. Buy a pink one.


Be logical. If he is what you claim, use him as a punching bag. So far he was able to take it like a gentleman. Once he is gone, you will have pawian and dyrdymalki.

Yes, whoever. Unfortunately, there is not a crystal ball we can consult to tell us who is going to do what in the future. We may develop weapons systems with China or Russia or ME terrorists in mind, but we don't earmark them and say this missile is for China only, this bullet for a terrorist. We also don't, or shouldn't, develop defense and geopolitical strategies simply for one country in mind, we also include any possible aggressors, seen or unseen, in those plans as collateral.

@PolAmKrakow

I beg to differ with most of what you say, but I suspect you're right about the US not intervening if China makes a move on Taiwan...and this is the problem. Since the US position is well-known that it will accept a One China policy contingent upon China keeping its hands off Taiwan and has over many decades promised to ensure Taiwan's defense, a tepid US response to Chinese aggression in Taiwan will severely compromise western interest and alliances in the Indo-Pacific. China will have no counter-balance in the region and assume tremendous global power as American global power wanes like Great Britain's did post-WWII, leaving China as the major power player on the world stage. I say eff that!


May be a proxy in the eyes of China, but in the eyes of Russia it is a legitimate geopolitical conflict aimed at keeping NATO off its border and regaining relevance in the world. We in the west need skill to manage this, but we seem to be lacking in the area of skilled leadership at the moment.

If I was in charge, I'd send Novichok and Crow over to Ukraine with an ungodly amount of coffee and meth and charge them with simply talking to Russian soldiers. The Russian soldiers would clear the hell outta the Uke within a day.

No, but we can earmark them as (1) offensive, (2) defensive, or (3) to continue being the biggest morons and the world's dumbest cops with a messiah complex who borrow money to exist but still insist on having 13 aircraft carrier groups for their police operations.

BTW, in a war with Russia, those aircraft carriers would be coral reefs in the first 30 minutes.

So now who is the real threat to the US? Start with Albania...You can tag them with yes, no, and maybe.

Not Russia....there are now numbers to prove it!

....Instead of hope and peace, as with the annexation of Crimea, the Kremlin chief dished up resentment and threats of war against Ukraine in his speech of recognition on Monday. The result: Just 45 percent of Russians support diplomatic recognition, while 40 percent oppose it. This emerges from a survey by the independent survey institute Lewada, which is to be published on Thursday. The preliminary figures were quoted by a Russian news site on Wednesday.....

welt.de/politik/ausland/article237098525/Stimmungsbild-in-Russland-Putin-hat-keine-Mehrheit-fuer-seinen-Ukraine-Plan.html

...According to Lewada's scientific director, Lew Gudkov, the 45 percent represent the "conservative majority," which is on average older and less educated, which is otherwise willingly carried away by Putin's rhetoric, but in this specific case does not represent a majority. Fear of a major war makes even them question Putin's positions. Better educated, urban Russians oppose the recognition, Gudkov said in an interview with the news site news.ru.....

For comparison:

...However, Putin was very successful in building on his legacy, he enriched the "homecoming" of the Crimea with almost sacred tones. Between 85 and 90 percent of Russians supported the annexation, and approval ratings of this magnitude have persisted to this day. This time it's different, which is also due to the fact that the coal and steel provinces in the Donbass, scarred by war and pollution, have never become part of the Russian fantasy of homeland.....

This time it's different....the one step to far!

Really? What is Putin afraid of? That NATO is going to attack Russia - a pi*ss poor country with over 6000 nuclear warheads? Nothing to gain and the whole world (literally) to lose. That's nonsense - there is no threat to Russia, nobody will ever attack a nuclear superpower.

Oh, and NATO is not treacherously sneaking ever closer to Russia's border - the countries from former Soviet sphere of influence are applying to join it. Precisely because they never want to have anything to do with Russia ever again, Russia - the only country in the world at the moment that poses real threat of militarily invading free democratic countries.

And no, misogynist, pro-putinist retards on this board need not mention NATO in context of Serbia/Kosovo or Syria here, because countries ruled by genocidal regimes are neither free nor democratic, so there is no symmetry here.