Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

I suppose it makes a change from America ;)

@jon357
Exactly why is Poland buying Russian gas via Germany not relevant?

top quality report from a top quality think-thank.
static.rusi.org/special-report-202204-operation-z-web.pdf

In other news Igor Volobuev, vice president of state-owned Gazprombank, said he has fled Russia to fight alongside Ukrainian forces, LOLZO themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/27/senior-gazprombank-executive-flees-russia-to-join-ukraine-war-a77500

That is quite a good article.

It stresses the blind belief that russia is invincible, their dependency on imported technology, the vulnerability of Moldova after 9/5 and the threatened summer offensive.

The summer offensive is the elephant in the room and of course the article sensibly reminds us that russia's income from gas sales has to be cut off in order to hobble it.

I'm pleased it mentions the biggest issue, that of potential escalation when their summer offensive fails. That is something we'll have to deal with, and deal with it, we will.

The EU including Germany refused to pay in Ruble. Poland is hardly exceptional brave in this regard Cutting off Poland is likely intented as a warning to other European countries.

So which countries are paying in roubles and why?

This article mentions some non-Polish company called United.
reuters.com/business/energy/russia-wants-countries-pay-gas-roubles-will-buyers-comply-2022-04-26/

It's time to stop paying for gas from russia in any currency. Ukraine should blow the pipelines in their country and irreparably sever nordstream 1.

Quoting RT.com:

Moscow's move to recognize the breakaway republics of Donetsk and Lugansk was justified and based on the Kosovo precedent, Biden told Guterres. The republics emerged after people living in Ukraine's east rejected the Western-backed 2014 Maidan, he explained.

russia Today (or any other part of the Russian MSM) is not in any sense a reliable source.

Hahahah, is that what the german media is brainwashing I mean telling you?
"Four European gas buyers have already paid for supplies in rubles as President Vladimir Putin demanded, according to a person close to Russian gas giant Gazprom PJSC."

"Ten European companies have already opened the accounts at Gazprombank needed to meet Russia's payment demands, the person said. "
bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-27/four-european-gas-buyers-made-ruble-payments-to-russia

When and where? Context please. Funnily enough it sounds uncannily like what Putin told Guterres .....

And here's what Putin told Guterres in yesterday's meeting.

Moscow's move to recognize the breakaway republics of Donetsk and Lugansk was based on the Kosovo precedent, set up by the UN-backed court, [i]Putin told Guterres. The republics emerged after people living in Ukraine's east rejected the 2014 Maidan coup, Russia's president explained,[/i]

Guterres pointed out that the UN itself still does not recognize Kosovo as an independent entity, viewing it as a part of Serbia. Putin, however, parried that the legal precedent still exists, as Kosovo received wide recognition in the West.

You seem to require some reading skills.

1. That claim is made by Gasprom and thus the Russian state and thus not trustworthy.

2. The claim does not specify from which countries those buyers are, I wonder why... .

March 31:


rp-online.de/politik/ausland/scholz-zu-putins-rubel-dekret-klar-ist-deutschland-zahlt-weiter-in-euro_aid-67678587

Today:


tagesspiegel.de/wirtschaft/wirtschaftsexperten-raten-bund-zur-vorbereitung-gas-lieferstopp-auch-fuer-deutschland-wahrscheinlicher-geworden/28281604.html

....Hebestreit said German companies would pay Russian supplies to Gazprombank in euros. A spokesman for the Ministry of Economy added that Gazprombank would then be responsible for converting the money into rubles. German companies would fulfill their contractual obligations. ...

@Amiga500

So....what now....who is brainwashed?

The source is a person close to gazprom, it's in bloomberg not rt, and thus trustworthy as standard journalistic practtice is to have a second source to back it up. Austrian Chancellor said paying in roubles would not break sanctions and they're going forward with that, since Germany now controls Gazprom subsidiaries in the U.K, and I suspect many other parts of the world, I imagine they will be doing the same , gotta keep the profits and blood money flowing.. the next german payment is due end of May. let's see if they german government grows some backbone but i expect they will fold like a pack of cards.

... The chancellor insisted on his refusal to pay the bills in rubles. "The payment for Russian gas deliveries takes place in euros and dollars in accordance with the existing contracts," explained Olaf Scholz (SPD) on Twitter. "That's the way it is, it will stay that way, and I made that clear yesterday in my conversation with President Putin." ...

rp-online.de/politik/ausland/scholz-zu-putins-rubel-dekret-klar-ist-deutschland-zahlt-weiter-in-euro_aid-67678587

Is that acceptable for you?

Blood money is absolutely the right term. There are a lot of russian assets around Europe, especially the chairman of the russian company Rosneft.

Meanwhile, Poland is expected to make sacrifices while other parts of the Axis do not.

Time to physically stop the flow of gas from russia.

"Exclusive: EU document reveals the value of assets frozen under Russian sanctions per member state.
It reveals wide differences.
As of April 5:
France: ~€24bln
Belgium: €10bln
Ireland: ~€1bln
Italy: €1.1bln
Germany: €341,595
Hungary: "volume very low"

Is this acceptable to you?

twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1517264308786417665


Yep and it seems our german 'partners' are doing jack sh*t about it. Compromised as f*ck.

Fake news!


kurier.at/wirtschaft/oesterreich-zahlt-weiter-russisches-gas-in-euro/401987636

Austria continues to purchase gas from Russia and also pays for it in euros. There was a brief commotion due to a report by the Russian news agency TASS, according to which Austria was prepared to pay for gas in rubles. However, it is still the case that Austria pays in euros to an account at Gazprombank for gas deliveries. There the amount will then be exchanged by Russia for rubles, the Federal Chancellery announced on Wednesday.

"Before fake news from Russian propaganda spreads further here. Of course, OMV will continue to pay for gas deliveries from Russia in euros. Austria is strictly adhering to the jointly agreed EU sanctions," tweeted Federal Chancellor Karl Nehammer (ÖVP). ...

You should really inform yourself better before spreading your hate and fake news! At least apologize when you have been shown to be wrong...

When was the last time you read RT.com? Approximately...
Also, did you read my post #9279?


I would like to know the difference between Kosovo and Lugansk other than one is 6 letters and the other 7.

Approximately 16.42 yesterday. Give or take a few seconds.


No, and don't plan to.

Some good news, more explosions in Belgorod, as well as attacks in Bryansk.

Why would you read RT if they lie?

Aren't lies fun to read? Didn't you notice the posts yesterday about Radio Moscow?

Anyway, with russia Today, it's easy to get to the bottom of things since whatever they say, the diametric opposite is true.

Never. The head of RT is on the record as being in favor of 'total control of information' by the government and is very much in favor of government censorship of the press so the only thing you'll find is the Russian government's position (easy to find in other places).


The two are not similar at all...

Kosovo - the majority of people living there (ethnic Albanians) were tired of minority rule by a central Serbian government that had long oppressed them. Said central government was then gearing up for a campaign of genocide before they were stopped.

Luhansk (not Lugansk) - almost everybody living there are Ukrainians who found their area invaded by a foreign country (Russia) and then ruled by a puppet government installed by Russia which robbed them and ruined the place.

I've given you links that explain the situation and you clearly either didn't read them or were unable to understand them. Find the links, read them. Then either refute the information therein or admit you've been wrong. But stop playing dumb (unless... you really are.... hmmmm)

Where you claim that Biden told Guterres blah, blah, when in fact it was Putin who told Guterres.


First try to sort the who's who of Biden and Putin. Then you can move on to the advanced stuff.

good approach baby needs to take baby steps before he can walk (we wont' think about running yet....)

I respect Germans and Germany more and more. That war is not theirs to take part in and suffer from in any way. At any given time, there are a dozen wars going on somewhere - half of them in Africa. Russia poses no threat to Germany or Germany would be armed to the teeth.

Now that Merkel is gone, Germans know how to figure out what is beneficial for them and what is not. I only wish the US took some lessons from them.


My question was not about how they feel and if they need rest. My question was about the difference between the two from a strictly legal pov that would make a referendum valid or invalid. No referendum ever asked voters how they feel and if they are tired that day.

Kosovo - local people rebelled agaisnt a repressive central government and sought independence from it

Luhanks - a foreign army invaded and installed a phony gangster government

Headline news: 'Blackmail' backfires as EU vows to end energy dependence on Russia.

Liike this one, with thermobaric weapons, cities like Mariupol and Bucha destroyed? With Chechen rape and murder squads running wild, gas supplies being cut off, and a madman threatening nukes?

Where? Which wars? What part of Africa are half of them in?

Have you read the FSB letters? One of them claims that Kadyrov (not nearly as stupid as his public image might suggest) has his own agenda that he's working for though it's not clear what he's working toward... Caucasian Emirates? Full on independence (he cares nothing for Russia).

twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1519061793716408320

He's not in any sense an Emir and rules through fear rather than the tribal and social consensus which is normal in states that actually do have tribal Emirs. Nevertheless, I've long wondered if he's just a post-Soviet chancer or has even more vicious aims..

Hopefully he will die screaming in unbearable agony as burning white cobalt sears his flesh.

I'll have a look at that link; it sounds interesting.