Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

The problem is they weren't even engaged yet.

A lot of that was sold off though both legally and illegally in the transition years. They've dramatically reduced their armed foces in the early 2000s when they got rid of conscription and most of the new modern hardware they produce domestically is for export. That's why they're left mostly fighting with old Soviet stockpiles. If the west wasn't providing them with billions in aid and giving them modern weapons Russia would've ran them over much quicker. Ukraine has an about $5-6 billion military budget (much of it lost to graft and corruption) while Poland spends $11-$12 billion which actually goes to where it's supposed to for the most part.

All things considered though, Ukraine isn't doing too bad against such a superior force. But in the long run, I don't think they'll be victorious. This has become a war of attrition and Russia has far more resources. It'd be like if Israel and Iran went to war - sure, far more Iranians would die, it'd be a long drawn out conflict, but in terms of sheer manpower and all the equipment even though inferior Iran would be able to draw it out and achieve most their objectives with time or settle for a peace that's favorable to them.

"while Poland spends $11-$12 billion which actually goes to where it's supposed to for the most part."

can you verify or prove this?

I can't and Bobko can't see that happening either - he already stated that in point 3) here:

And I really doubt it would be about Russian savings, although that could play a role too. Russia is simply too big and too arrogant with too much of an ego for something like the EU ("midget countries" ). My guess that the same would be with NATO. Russia would think it has the right to rule over those countries, like in case of the Soviet Union. And can you imagine Russia being together in NATO with the US? With all that anti-American obsession, rhetoric, the conviction that the US is out there to destroy Russia?


Coming from Putin that sounds like a promise of a military invasion lol


You were born in Poland and you have Polish citizenship, right?

Some good news today. 89 of the 90 howitzers sent by the US are now in place with most of their 180,000 rounds. Ready and in use to bake plenty of orcs.

Germany is supplying 7 howitzers (doesn't sound much however they are the newest and most lethally effective type) and Ukrainian troops are currently being trained in their use. Plenty more baked orcs.

That's not "zero experience". And not only Polish elite forces - regular units were taking part too.

And as for elite forces - just look how much damage NATO trained (by Poles, among others) Ukrainian Spetsnaz is doing to Russian army.


With much smaller, poorer countries. And, as you can see, that didn't help Russia that much in Ukraine.


They are indeed (to varying degrees though, it depends on the mentality). NATO armies are learning too - everyone is looking very carefully at what's going on in Ukraine, as I'm sure you can imagine.

Oh yes. You should see their charred corpses being nibbled by stray dogs. YouTube and Twitter are full of it. I've turned off autoplay (I did that when the video of an orc raping a baby was doing the rounds) and have long stopped looking at telegram.

Perhaps those trained killers should have thought about what would happen to them before they rode in tanks into a neighbouring country with the intention of crushing them. Or before they started executing civilian women with hands tied behind their back.

russia's invasion of Ukraine has turned into a meat grinder for them. 26500 dead already and hundreds more dead every day to satisfy russian imperialist fantasies.

A waste of human life. Or orc life.

And in breaking news, Ukraine have declared force majeure at the Sokhranivka gas entry point, due to damage caused by the orcs. It looks like Central Europe will have to do without some of that russian gas a bit sooner than they thought.

All the preaching by Russian trolls and US traitors is really quite funny. Fact; Russia is losing in measurable ways such as soldiers killed and military equipment destroyed. Fact; Russia can not manufacture more tanks due to sanctions. Fact; Putin is clearly under some form of medical care due to some mysterious illness. Fact; all the chest pumping in the world done by you Russian POS and traitors is not going to change the preceding facts.

Bake the Orc's where they stand. Lets make sure they all fry. It is not a matter of if Russia loses the war, they have already lost.

It is and most of the trolls on here seem to be either Russian and/or living in the USA.
All a bit weird really.

@PolAmKrakow

I agree with all your points.
Russia is losing this war and losing it badly.

The very best that they can hope for is to hold on to the eastern regions they already hold and to Crimea.
They want to create a link between the two and getting Odessa would be a big victory for them.
None of these outcomes are by any means certain.
Russia, despite what the trolls say, is currently losing this war.
Russian military is useless, depleted and have lost faith.

Back in Russia, there were no flypasts for May 9 in ANY Russian city.
Why?
No planes left?Or were Russian pilots refusing to cooperate?

Just wait till the sanctions start to bite.....

Russia has already lost this war.

There is no such thing as a Russian Russian troll. I could be a Russian troll. You could be a Russian troll. Cojest could be a Russian troll.

Russians who "troll" for Russia are called Russian patriots.

I have no apologies to make for this claim since I already said that Germans in Poland were German patriots and did what they were told. Only some of them were Nazis.

Don't know if this has been linked before, but a comparison of Ukraine vs Russia and indications of fascism....

twitter.com/andersostlund/status/1521134128267206656

where are them nazis again? Yeah, in Rossija....

Where Russia goes.... looting follows.... nation of thieves!

twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1524133739290320896

@mafketis, RuSSians are clearly following the example of their role models from the past:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_looting_of_Poland

Ukrainians should be hiding stuff from museums or sending them away from the front line in advance, whenever it's possible. The same with any artwork from churches.

Yeah, and just one British sub can do that.
We don't even need the Americans.

These Russian trolls really need to wake up.

I'm a Polish farmer not some troll Russian or other. You are a punk that need to be punked. I don't like you.

You have more in common with all those 'smart' educated Poles that post here then with me or some real people. You talk a lot of nosense. You lie about who you are. You are a troll.

or a Russian patriot lol! Russians while in a group are pests and we need a pest control method not some yappy overeducted townie smartasses and their cries about Russian crimes and right and wrong and who has a higher moral ground.


Are you Polish? Is that need to be even talk about?
I would ask - is Polish government taking masures to keep HIV out of Poland. All those refugees should be probed in case of them being HIV carries. Ukrainie has highest HIV numbers outside Africa.


Sure, if they were German patriots then German shouldn't have their own state. That is too risky to let them run that experiment once again.

Are you a Russian troll?


Sure, all those mothers and their kids and grannies and grandpas have nothing better to do then spreading HIV in Poland o_O
🤦

twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1522247844203311107
Traitors from Donetsk complain that they are used as cannon fodder. I heard that the Russians, in accordance with the old doctrine of Zhukov, use the soldiers of the Donetsk and Lugansk banthuses for demining. The guys are blazing the trail for Russian tanks and IFV. This is how the Russians care about the people of Donbass, whose protection this war is similar to.

Yes I'm sure you are tallking nothing but the truth.


You have not only roots you have arch over your head too. Arch stone bridge.

You must have some old info. This is the latest report - from November 2021:

ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/hiv-aids-surveillance-europe-2021-2020-data

"Newly diagnosed infections in the Russian Federation contributed 57% of all cases in the WHO European Region. The share of the cases reported from Ukraine was 15% in the Region"

Having said that, Ukrainian women and kids raped by Russian soldiers definitely should get tested for AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases for free, imho.

After the WWII due to the Soviet rapes on Polish women and girls there was an epidemic of sexually transmitted diseases in Poland.

I told you who I am! I'm am overeducted Polish farmer. Farmer thanks to my ancestors, overeducted due to my curiosity and ambition to be something more than a farmer and to see more than just the farm and other people in my wioska.

All that is just smoke and vanity. There is nothing better than your land, a land you own, your homestead and people you know from childhood.

Townie like you are all about showing off with your usless things you read or heard about, you strive to be right and to make sure others know how right you are. That stupid. lol!


Very funny, very witty, oh you told me.
It is a serius issue, something that our oh so noble governmnet hasn't addresed at all. Our government (Polish as I'm Polish born in Poland, with Polish roots and Polish citizen with a chunk of Polish land) should do their job and make sure it protect Polish citizens interest first.


IF that the right, correct info. I stand corrected. Still refugees should be tested. After all with that all Covid histeria our noble government was treating us like cattle.

While refugees are illness free lol!

I suspect they are doing this already, although I have seen reports of looted/sequestered artwork. Most developed countries have a "countdown to war" procedure, with nukes in mind. If important items from the national museum are packed up and taken away, it's a sign that we should worry. Mind you, nowadays there are very good copies available...


And very easily. Ours apparently work whereas some of the russian test firings have not been a success. There are also the French who have plenty, both on subs and I think land-based and there are occasional uncorroborated rumours that the U.K. may have more than we say (though online talk does need to be taken with a pinch of salt). Certainly there are suggestions that there are more (from the previous generation) that aren't included in totals and are stored partially disassembled. It's very possible that some of these have been readied just in case.


Apparently the orcs have also been drafting people from the Donbas against their will. Not exactly a good way to create an effective fighting force.

They are tested and vaccined for COVID-19 - that's the priority right now.
And why would they be tested for AIDS? That's a disease that's mainly transmitted through sexual contact. Do you think that all those traumatised women with kids who left their husbands behind in Ukraine will suddenly throw themselves at Polish men? lol If you're so afraid of getting HIV then use a condom or don't have sex with Ukrainian women altogether (and spread these words of wisdom of mine to your male buddies :)).

Also, there were around 1 million Ukrainians working in Poland before the war, many of them men. Were they being tested for HIV?


At least I don't sound like an ignorant Russian troll at times. It wouldn't hurt if you read something from time to time or at least check the info you're spreading.


That's a report from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control.

These photographs of wounded soldiers at the Azovstal plant are half Rembrandt half Goya.

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What of they work in a hospital, kitchen, resturant. aids is spread not only through sexual contact, also condom do not stop aids.


Why? Are you jealous? Do you think you are good enough to have sex with me?


Where they? They came over a few at the time. Here we have all of them at once. That diffrent. Aslo they worked mostly buliding stuff, no contact with food or people.

@jon357
Are they soldiers? some of them look like civilians to me.

@Cojestdocholery
The caption on the Twitter post said Ukrainian soldiers (the pic is higher definition there and worth seeing). I suppose there's a blurring between soldiers and civilians now in Ukraine, however any fighting age men there are probably soldiers.

They are amazing images.

twitter.com/olgatokariuk/status/1524045896304009218


You probably mean HIV. It is harder to pass on than you think, and not spread through kitchens or restaurants. All hospitals, btw, test their staff for a whole range of transmissible viruses.

So you needn't worry about getting HIV off a waiter or chef unless he's a. bumming you and b. untreated and with a transmissible viral load.

You think they weren't working in such places before the war?


God no! lol I'm making fun of you, because only a guy could come up with testing refugee women with kids and the elderly for AIDS. Seriously, we have bigger problems right now, like finding place to live for those people. Do you think there's money for testing all those people for AIDS, besides free COVID-19 tests and vaccines? How much such AIDS tests cost? Probably not little.


Sure, because cleaning people's houses, taking care of their children or working in Sowa confectionery here in Kielce doesn't involve contact with food and people lol And my aunt's Ukrainian friend who went back to Ukraine due to the invasion worked in Poland as a surgeon in hospital (long enough to build a house here). Are you living on a different planet or something?


Not to mention that there were plenty of Ukrainian women working in non-building jobs before the war, as I already wrote in more detail here in my answer to Cojestdocholery's post:

I also forgot to add all those Ukrainian women taking care of the elderly in Poland, like one lady in my neighbourhood.

Mostly I said. You were talking about men. Try to keep up. You are not very bright,are you hot at least?


like elect some people that can actually do their job well.


Why would you say that? Food and bumming gross. Don't do that no more!


Wonder if they will all die or they will be saved somehow.

Expect the worst and hope for the best.


I knew an elderly carer who had it and certainly didn't pass it on to anybody. With treatment, it is near impossible to pass on.

So many jobs in Poland require a medical check first. Some of the tests they do are a bit odd, however anyone with symptoms of anything would presumably be picked up on.

Not only about men. I wrote: "there were around 1 million Ukrainians working in Poland before the war, many of them men".


Thank God I'm brighter than you and probably hotter too lol :D


Unless there are going to be early elections, I'm afraid we'll have to wait for that.