Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

He speaks neither Ukrainian, Polish (or even their inferior cousin Russian) so the idea that he knows what's going on in Ukraine or Poland (or Russia) is approximately zero.....

He's a Russian shill, like the Duran guys who spend their time trying to turn Russian crap into gold (like praising Putin's lame May 9 performance).

And now Putler is trying to repair military equipment using imported (or looted) fridge parts because russia are incapable of manufacturing them and can't now import them.

" We have reports from Ukrainians that when they find Russian military equipment on the ground, it's filled with semiconductors that they took out of dishwashers and refrigerators."

telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/05/12/russia-fixing-weapons-fridge-dishwasher-parts/

His sabre-rattling about Finland is very predictable too.

Yeah maybe the ones who were killed by the Russians. Otherwise, they're going to stay put in Poland and try to bring their husband there. The majority of people that leave one country for another end up staying there and that's the case all around the world whether it's Mexicans to the USA, turd worlders to France and Germany, etc. Yes, some leave and go back, but the majority do not.


Again, because there's too many of them. It's only going to be a matter of time before they start demanding more and more of Poland and as a result Polish people will suffer. Any resources that go to ukrop means that resource didn't go to native Poles.

I guess the only consolation is it could be worse - at least it's not turd worlders coming in... then in stead of overcrowing we'd have to deal with bombs going off, trucks being driven into crowds and skyrocketing sexual assualt.


The majority of Poles are also against lgbt and turd world immigration, do you share our sentiment as well in that regard?

Before the war when tons of ukrops started showing up a poll showed that the opinion was split down the middle - about half of Poles supported ukrop immigration, half didn't.

A more recent poll from 2022 shows 53% are for, 22% against... I guaruntee those numbers change as time goes on. Every time I go to Wroclaw there's more and more of them. You literally cannot order food, get a taxi, buy groceries, go to the bar, etc. without running into them. I'd much rather those lower paid jobs go to Polish youth who are suffering from high unemployment than some ukrop 50 year old dude. I'm going again this summer and I can only imagine how many there are now based on the conversations I've had with my family. At least in the suburbs you can still walk down the street without hearing an ukrop version of Polish.

rp.pl/spoleczenstwo/art35763761-sondaz-polacy-popieraja-przyjecie-ukrainskich-uchodzcow


Finally a US politician with half a brain... I've always liked that lady.

Oh well, I guess it's a good time to buy defense stocks

Have you ever tried to recruit a young person in Wroclaw ? I doubt it because you have never done a hands turn of labor in Poland and have no idea what it is like to level work here.

At the moment I guess the unemployment rate in Central Wroclaw must be close to zero.

Ukraine is to hold its first war crimes trial. The defendant is Sergeant Vadin Shyshimarin, accused of shooting an unarmed 62 year old civilian. What struck me immediately was the defendant's age, 21 ............ a sergeant at 21???? It shows why the Russian army is so poorly commanded. In the British army you have to have 12 years service to advance to the rank of sergeant. I've mentioned before that the NCOs are the great strength of the British army because they can take command and lead the troops and they are highly respected.

I read up about it a bit and it seems that Russia's version of NCOs are mostly contracted troops who do not have a leadership role or manage discipline like their counterparts in the U.S. or British militaries.

"They are not in charge of, you know, adapting the unit. They're not in charge of tactics and things like that...The person in charge of everything is the officer. That's why the Russian military is officer top-heavy. The officer corps handles all those issues that NCOs might," said Michael Kofman, research program director at CNA's Russian Studies Program.

A statement from the All Russian Officers' Assembly:

" "WE, the OFFICERS of RUSSIA, demand that the President of the Russian Federation, renounce his CRIMINAL policy of WAR... and RESIGN..."
twitter.com/Bryan_E_Parker/status/1524205659327057921

Even his army want out of this war.


A lot of Poles who use Uber in Warsaw press cancel if a Polish name appears and wait for a Ukrainian driver. Their presence in Poland is a positive one.

@cms neuf

The youth unemployment rate hovered between 9-10% in Q1/Q2 of 2022. So yes, those low paid service jobs that ukrops are taking could go to a Polish youth instead.

And no, I wouldn't work for a Polish employer because the wages are low and I generally prefer to work on my own and dictate my own paycheck.

As for Russian language - on the other hand... I remember once a Polish woman who was to host a Ukrainian refugee family posted a question on Polish-Ukrainian help group on Facebook asking whether that family would mind her speaking Russian to them, in case they didn't know English, considering they were invaded by Russia... Another Polish woman, who had already taken in Ukrainian refugees to her house, posted an answer to that question in which she said that she asked her guests whether they would mind her talking in Russian to them, because she didn't know Ukrainian. The Ukrainian woman whom she asked burst into tears and said that "Russians don't own the Russian language"... I'm guessing that she was from the Russian speaking part of Ukraine...

That was in the fairly early days of the invasion though, before Bucha and Irpin massacres coming to light, I think...


Go and bang your head against a wall or something, Nazi lover.

Well I need to check that but the official figure for Wroclaw is 1.8 percent

wroclaw.stat.gov.pl/zakladka2/

Genuinely interested if you have a figure for youth unemployment - I pay 27 zloty an hour plus a bonus and cannot find anyone there

The russians certainly don't own the russian language. No single nation owns a language; they have no owners except for anyone who uses them.

People often forget as well that 50% of Ukrainians speak Surzhyk at home, which isn't 'pure' Ukrainian and certainly isn't russian.


Very low now in Poland.


Sewing mailbags and stamping car plates?

And that's just the beginning. After husbands, it's brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, their spouses and kids, and, for the grand finale - their sickly parents with cancers and heart problems...hahahahahahahaha...

Welcome to Hell, Poles...No, it's not Putin's fault that you are that stupid.

Those would be the ukrops.... the same people who killed hundreds of thousand of Poles.... It's a shame so many Polish people have forgotten about this already. We seem to remember German and Russian crimes, but all of a sudden Ukraine is off the hook? Not in my book.

And yes, I am fond of national socialism - it's a great form of government and I wish we had it currently. Society would be much better since everyone would know their place and we wouldn't have to deal with bullshit like the lgbt crowd, multi kulti, and all the other problems the tiny hat tribe causes with their impressionable minions.


tradingeconomics.com/poland/youth-unemployment-rate

When was that poll conducted?

In March over 90% of Poles thought that Poland should receive refugees from Ukraine:

vogue.pl/a/sondaz-ibris-polacy-chca-przyjmowac-uchodzcow-z-ukrainy

That number may go down with time and if more will come and problems will be piling up, but, still, 90% is almost the whole Polish nation.

According to a poll from January 2022 71% of Poles declared a positive attitude towards Ukrainian employees and it increased to 77% in March. 85% of Poles would agree to having a Ukrainian coworker at their workplace in January and it increased to 88% in March 2022:

rp.pl/praca/art36110301-rosnie-poparcie-polakow-dla-uchodzcow-i-pracownikow-z-ukrainy

Also a positive attitude to having a Ukrainian spouse increased from 63% in January to 67% in March.


No, not the same people, you moron. That was decades ago.


Your place is in hell.

Same people, Ukranians.


And yet to this day the same organizations exist in Ukraine along with their worship of Bandera. You'd think the ukrops would have better taste than flying red and black flags in Poland but we're talking about ukrops afterall.

Supporting Ukraine in the war and welcoming in Ukranian refugees are two different thing, of which the latter 53% support according to a 2022 poll.

Approximately 58% of respondents to the survey agree that all refugees from Ukraine should be welcomed into Poland, while 35% believe that only those most at risk and 'in need' should be accepted

And here's another one I just found - this is the exact problem: the majority of them want to stay and work in Poland, yet half don't even speak Polish...

ewl.com.pl/en/radio-poland-63-of-ukrainian-refugees-want-to-work-in-poland-survey/

Find a woman, treat her well and discover the pleasures of sex.

I found out, on numerous examples, observing young people in the places where I lived as a high-school student, then at the university and later in life, that becoming sexually active (but it has to be with another person) dramatically decreases nazi inclinations. It is virtually impossible to have a regular sex life and be a nazi. Doesn't happen.

If your post is not about the subject of the thread...take it to random chat

Not the same. They aren't massacring Poles these days, in case you haven't noticed. And, unlike RuSSia, they aren't invading their neighbours.


So does a communist party in RuSSia and sentiment for the Soviet Union and the worship of the Soviet Army which was murdering Poles, raping Polish women and children and looting Poland. The difference is that Ukrainians aren't massacring Poles anymore, but RuSSians are still invading their neighbours, murdering, raping and stealing.


That gives a total of 93% of Poles who think that Poland should receive refugees from Ukraine.

Not currently, because we're helping them. If the winds change they would be. These are people that mastered the art of switching sides over the past four or so centuries. They'll ally with Germany or Russia to go against Poles, then when Russia threatens them, like now, they ally with us. It's no different today than it was the past few hundred years.

@Dirk diggler, then we'll keep helping them and problem solved :))

🙄🤦

I'm confused by your reaction. Here's avg age at rank for US Army NCOs:

Private (E-2) - 18 (join + 6 months)
Private First Class (E-3) - 19 - (join + 1 year)
Specialist/Corporal (E-4) - 20 (join + 18 months)
Sergeant (E-5) - 22 (join + 4.2 years)
Staff Sergeant (E-6) - 27 (join + 8.5 years)
Sergeant First Class (E-7) - 32 (join + 13.6 years)
Master Sergeant/First Sergeant (E-8) - 35 - (join + 17 years)
Sergeant Major (E-9) - 39 - (join + 20.8 years)

How on earth do you figure you need 12 years to be a sergeant, given that it is the third most junior position in the hierarchy? In Russian Army it is - *Private*, *Gefreiter*, *Junior Sergeant*.

You're twisting the facts. They didn't say they wanted to stay. The survey said that sixty-three percent of the surveyed Ukrainian refugees declared a willingness to take up employment in Poland. Basically that means they want to support themselves financially. That's a good thing, surely.

Fifty-three percent of them had a university degree. Also a good thing. And another eight percent had higher education. So I would think they should be able to improve their Polish language skills quite quickly.

Hey if you want to help them and keep them that's your prerogative. I on the other hand will honor the memory of Polish people killed by ukrops and won't be helping them at all. In fact, I'll keep cheering on as the ruskis and ukrops wipe each other out and hopefully profit handsomely from defense stocks. Buying rubles at the beginning of the conflict already paid off as they're now back at their normal pre-2022 rate while the hrynia is still worth dog ****.


If they start working they're going to stay, especially when they start making 3-4x as much as they would back home.


Ukraine is notorious for being able to outright purchase a degree. I don't know if it still is like that today, but it was for years and years. I wouldn't put much stock into how worthwhile a Ukranian degree is.

Example:
kupit-diplom-attestat.com/en/diplomas/buy-bachelors-diploma-for-foreigners/

Kupit diplom ROFL

I said the British army, not the US. To be a Sergeant in the British army you have to work your way up through the ranks. Broadly that's Private, Lance Corporal, Corporal, Sergeant.

Lance Corporal, minimum 4 years service.
Corporal, 6- 8 years service
Sergeant, 12 years service

Then there are other ranks up to Warrant Officer First Class which is about 18 years I think.

Sergeant is not a junior position in the British army. Like I said the NCOs are the Brits' great strength.

Yes, from what I've noticed learning Polish for Russians is fairly easy (it's generally easier for Slavs, than for other nationalities), so it should be even easier for Ukrainians (at least for those knowing Ukrainian).


Yes, I do want to help them and majority of Poles want to help them too. As for "keeping" them that will depend on the situation in Ukraine, obviously.


I don't care. You don't even live in Poland.

@Atch

In general, I can't argue with you that the structural organization of low-level command in Anglo armies is much stronger, than it is under Russian/Soviet doctrine. The post-Georgian War reforms were meant to address this deficiency. Something like 60% of officer positions were liquidated (tells you something about how officer-heavy the Soviet army was). It'll take decades more for a strong NCO corps to form, but work is being done in the correct direction.

Here's an article about the 2008 Reforms:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Russian_military_reform

@Paulina

" Yes, from what I've noticed learning Polish for Russians is fairly easy."

I don't know how true this is. It was possible for me to learn Polish, only after I had good knowledge of Ukrainian. Generally, I think Russians perceive Polish as one of the more difficult Slavic languages to understand. Most easy is of course Belarusian, then Ukrainian, then maybe Slovak or Czech.

I have seen a dude with ford mustang on ukrainian plates. It was a first man (ukrainian) military age I have seen in Poland.

Unfit for military service.

@Bobko, I'm basing this on my on-line discussions with Russians. One Russian woman from Moscow, for example, learned Polish just by discussing with us on the internet, without taking any lessons (admittedly, she's an engineer, so she's a bright person and knows English too).


I can imagine, it's generally a difficult language. Russians were able to discuss with us though, even though we were writing in Polish and them - in Russian (they were probably using some on-line translator to help themselves, but still...).

It'll take longer than that - and to be honest I'm not sure if you can ever achieve it. NCOs need to command respect and Russia doesn't seem to get that concept. You understand intimidation and brute force but I don't think you really know what true respect is.

Then there's your history - a bit messy to say the least. You destroyed the Imperial army and under the subsequent purges you destroyed your officer class. Britain has a very stable continuity within its armed forces. It has built on traditions that go back centuries. That's part of where the respect in the chain of command comes from. You can be proud of the history of your regiment and you feel strongly that you are part of an ongoing tradition.

This is very likely.


And their lack of them is one of the orcs' many weaknesses.

Now of course their officers are not only refusing to fight but openly calling for Putler's removal.

It is a matter of priorities. If a nation is fighting for its existence, then you don't bring out your magnifying glass to try to spot any nazis there, that becomes a secondary or even a tertitary concern.

What I've noticed about western guys like you, who habitually take the contrarian position, whose brain has been completely taken over by an addiction to culture wars and outrage culture, is that you are unable to prioritize: And so you make excuses for Putin to score points in the culture war, you insist that the war has nothing to do with us or that a side doesn't have to be chosen, and trivial matters are just as important as matters of existence and life and death. Fortunately for us, you are in a small minority right now, and the Ukranians and most Europeans knows what is important right now. But it is interesting to note that there has been many points in history where there have been enough of people like you, who would rather quibble about trivialities and gaze at eachother navels, rather than looking at the danger right in front of them: And it has always ended up in ruin for those nations/empires. That's how the gauls fell to the romans, and probably also the main reason why the roman empire eventually disintegrated.

Ukranians who venerate Bandera are wrong, we note it like that Erdogan is not joining any of the sanctions, is providing a safe haven for russian oligarchs, and Erdogan is still a dictator with imperialistic ambitions that would do the same if he were in Putin's shoes, so no he is no friend, what Erdogan is has not been forgotten, but Erdogan is also a secondary concern at this point in time.