Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

Exactly. And of course bullies always play the victim when things aren't going their way,

twitter.com/BatugWojciech/status/1527184190126571522
I wonder when France and Germany will be punished for breaking the embargo on the sale of arms to Russia.

There are no words for this. Any company should be punished unless it's genuinely dual use and they had good reason to think ot was not for military use.

It's hard to imagine how some of the items they supplied could be 'dual use' though. Especially if any were supplied after the troop buildup on Ukraine's borders started or even after they invaded.

Both france and Germany provided a combined $300 million worth of lethal arms, maritime vessels, ground vehicles, thermal imaging cameras, navigation systems, and infrared detectors for tanks, fighter jets, and combat helicopters to Russia between 2015-2020

twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1527326549321449474

Here is a slightly longer footage, profile and full face.

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What can I tell you is that you fvcked a hedgehog in the back, Mr. Denis.

taz.de/-Nachrichten-im-Ukrainekrieg-/!5855840/

...Germany wants to support Ukraine with short-term budget support of around one billion euros. Finance Minister Christian Lindner (FDP) announced this on Thursday at the meeting of G7 finance ministers on Petersberg near Bonn. The money should help to close the liquidity gap in the war-torn country. In the group of large industrialized countries and together with international institutions, efforts are being made to continue financing the state functions of Ukraine. ...

Wow.....that's alot....we don't bake that money after all.....

...The German billion is intended as a grant, not as a loan, said Lindner. The money is to be paid from the 2022 budget without having to take on additional debt. Lindner has planned a kind of crisis buffer in his budget, from which around one billion is now to be rebooked as liquidity aid for Ukraine. The budget committee of the Bundestag puts the finishing touches on the budget for the current year on Friday night and could still incorporate the change.

24hoursworlds.com/economy/159753/?namp=1

Are they still getting gas from Putin, are they paying in roubles and how much per day?

I dunno.....

I'm abit concerned about the sums Lindner is shucking out with full hands....we really don't "bake" it ourselves....

But it looks like a "shared work"....you send the hardware and we will finance the country in the end!

(Russia AND Ukraine...could become abit much, heh:)

The G7 are together sending $18 billion in total in this tranche.

Far less than EU states are paying in roubles every month.

At least Poland has morals; this will lead to great things during the reconstruction of Ukraine. Hopefully the profits will remain in Poland rather than vanish elsewhere. The important thing afterwards is that sanctions against russia are not lifted until reparations are paid and war crimes trial are held. Poland's veto will be useful in this.

Why are you fighting me? Am I the enemy?

You know...once that "geopolitical shift" you dream of has happened you can be happily take it all over and pay it all yourself.....and all that money can be used for needy Germans again. Poland and especially Britain will be lucky to pay all that out of their own pockets then, we know how much they love that...Brexit was the proof after all! And Poland has a long history of financing needy countries as we all know...

Good night!

Azovstal, surrender of weapons...

youtu.be/gG0cxDW1hhU

The evacuation of Azovstal to third countries continues...

youtu.be/PXqeAIPTm7E

And that third country is Novorussia... 😁

Nobody is "fighting you".

Strange you're mentioning the U.K.

The issue is russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Russian imperialistic ambitions must be stopped; that is something very clear to all of us who live in Poland. Those who grew up there learn from a very young age what an existential danger russia has been to Poland over the centuries. Together with others, they wiped Poland off the map and more recently forced a system and more importantly their hegemony on the country for decades.

Those of us who were educated outside Poland came almost as a tabula rasa in that we didn5 have that consciousness. We can even be somewhat cynical if it seems that the nationalism is being overegged. Nevertheless a sense of the sheer danger of russia and the Poles fight to be 5hemselves and to thrive, not dominated by other nations, being nobody's back years and the importance of independence in economy, of spirit and in determination the country's future is something you pick up on and share. When you've sent most of your life in a country, that does tend to happen. Given Russia's invasion of Poland's closest neighbour, it is inescapable.

Odd that someone would think that commenting on Poland's and Ukraine's independence is "fighting" them. That sounds as if it had been an opinion straight out of Moscow.

All major wars cause geopolitical change. The.clock cannot be turned back. This is as unavoidable as the passing of time itself.

Someone made an animation of 80 days of the Institute of Study of War maps. Really shows the roaring success of the Ruski invasion ;)

reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/uslthr/the_first_80_days_of_the_war_in_ukraine_mapped_by/

So much for Dirk Fiddler saying that Poland would not send our best T-72 tanks to Ukraine. We sent them the modernised T-72M1R as well.

"The T-72M1R is a Polish modernization of the T-72M1 featuring a new fire control system, thermal imaging sight for the gunner, and communication system as well as GPS DAGR (Defense Advanced GPS Receiver), and several other enhancements. The rear part of the turret is also fitted with a new basket."

Plus they have armament additons thanks to the czechs which prob make them better than the 'twardy' version.

"Polish tanks going to the front line. This is how the T-72M1 and T-72M1R look like with the already installed 4S20 dynamic protection elements of the Kontakt-1 complex, transferred by the Czech company STV Group."

reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/usxl7o/polish_tanks_going_to_the_front_line_this_is_how/

also the ukranians are adding their own armaments to it.

"The Ukrainian army quickly upgraded the Polish T-72M2 and T-72M1R tanks in order to improve protection against the new anti-tank weapons used by the Russian army. New ERA armor has been fitted at the front and the sides of the hull and at the front of the turret. The Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA) is used for the protection of tanks against anti-tank threats such as High Explosive Anti Tank (HEAT) and Kinetic Energy ammunition."

Probably more at this point. Germany is Ukraine's second biggest financial donor and we are currently taking care of close to 700k refugees. How many refugees has the UK accepted so far? The UK could make a real difference here by taking our refugees. That would mean less people who need heating which would mean less need for Russian gas and oil. But of course that would actually acquire making an effort so I guess we have to make do.


Gepards and Haubitze 2000. German tanks are also sens to the Czech Republic in order to allow them sensing their Soviet tanks to Ukraine.


Signifcantly by all accounts. It was the BND who provided some of the first evidence of Russian war crimes by taping Russian phones.

google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/germany-intercepted-russian-troop-calls-on-atrocities-in-ukraine-report/a-61390212

Source? Anyway i bet this tied into accepting german companies to do the reonstruction after the war, hopefully you krauts will not try and rape them financially like you did to greece during their financial crisis.

@amiga500
Poland and US contractors are going to get the bulk of the reconstruction work. I am sure that has already been discussed. The speed in how US construction is done will mystify people in Europe. Whereas building a 10 story building he will take three years, it will take a US company less than a year. While I love the architecture throughout eastern and central Europe, Ukraine will get a new blend of building when this is over.

Very true when people in Poland the sentence "Russia has invaded Ukraine" they hear "Russia will invade Poland".... it's only the pol-am larpers like Dirk that don't get that.

Poland can help Ukraine fight Russia in Ukraine or it can fight Russia in Poland...

And here is Lavrov talking like an SJW anti-fa supporter....

twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/1527321289072836611

Lavrov: "The faster the West accepts the new geopolitical situation, the better it will be for the West itself and for the entire international community."

The new geopolitical situation is that Russia has already lost and they know it. The rest is damage control, hectic secret negotiations and propaganda for the slightly retarded. The only question is: will the Macron's option of allowing Putin to "save face" win in the West or will Ukraine be allowed a total victory (which is only a question of time), which means that Russian "matrix" will have to be reprogrammed. It doesn't necessarily mean the partition of Russia into several smaller states but some territorial losses will take place as well as a profound political and sociological changes.

You mean giving them several debt cuts and asking them to implement reforms in order to create a system that actually works? Yeah, that was really cruel, wasn' it?

It is in Ukraine's self interest to continue its' fight against corruption in order to be able to join the EU, thus I doubt any outside pressure will be needed.

twitter.com/nytimes/status/1527412578397433857

nytimes.com/2022/05/19/world/europe/russia-bucha-ukraine-executions.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

Blimey. There are people here trying to turn this into a thread against germany and pretending people are "fighting" them if they read something that they'd rather not.


This is excellent. Hopefully they will make a real difference.

What is also needed now (and there is much discussion about this today) is sea missiles. russia is currently weaponising the growing global food shortage. It's a given that this will lead to rationing in some states that have not experienced that for decades, and although some grain can be brought out by land, that is only a small part of what is needed.


Sadly my salary is theoretically paid in that currency, however at least I get the dollar equivalent in cash. Gold would be better yet right now. The euro does not have a great future. At least it isn't the rouble which is not fully convertible, unless you're a craven European gas company caving into Vladolf Putler's demands.

@BB, I agree, the behaviour of some people on this forum isn't smart and it isn't helping Ukraine in any way, but what you wrote here is pretty shocking too:


What do you mean by that? You'd switch to the side of those who raped and murdered in Bucha, just because a few people on an internet forum don't like Germany?

I never heard any Russian insult Germany like some of our "friends and allies" do.....*shrugs*....makes me wonder if I want to be friends and allies with them! Especially if some of them can't wait for Germany to suffer some "unavoidable geopolitical shift" which somehow should be bad or worse for Germany....whatever that means!

Nice friends and allies, thank you very much...

But then....I get that nearly all of them post from Britain....the Brexit is still showing....they wish for the EU to fail too....like Putin does....seriously, who needs such "friends"!

War always changes things, whether you like it or don't.

Do you think that appeasement could avoid that?

Do you not think that russia is a pariah state that should not be traded with?

Do you not see that a 'strong' russia is a threat to Poland?

Do you think that Poland deserves to thrive on its own or be dependent on industries owned elsewhere?

it's probably because you were chums for so long recently

The Americans just greenlighted 40 billion for Ukraine. That'd be a meh sum if Ukraine was supposed to arm their airforce and navy but I think it's safe to say the money will be used exclusively for their ground army. If so that's an eye-watering sum. You can buy hundreds of cutting edge tanks and artillery pieces with that money. A tank brigade of 500 SEPV3 Abramses with the Trophy anti-missile protection would go through the entire eastern Ukraine like a knife through butter, it wouldn't be even funny.

Germans generally don't have problems with Russians....so what! Last time we had problems with them we murdered millions of them, and they got theirs back with occupying the half of us for decades....being chums is generally seen as the better alternative, so what?

Yes, and it will be a huge help.

Encouraging today that the U.S. Secretary of State is talking about sea weapons, particularly Harpoon missiles to end the russian blockade of European ports.

I had a discussion with you long ago, regarding the Nord Stream project - you saw no harm in it - sadly Ukraine saw plenty of harm in it (and was adversly affected pretty soon after the construction of NS 1) - what you see now is the outcome of German policy of special relationship with Russia and ignoring the concerns of her neighbours

Yeah...that was an error.....in hindsight!

Is that the next baton to club Germans over the head with if they do something you don't like after WWII? How long will you use that? WWII is only 75 years back....still fresh!

Back to the subject of the thread everyone, please