Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

and thats the problem. and not people but idiots.
people would rather believe in total bulshit from ukra , because they dont like russia.
its a trademark of stupid people. because that kinda emotional reasoning/thinking is used by people who dont have intellectual capability to think and analyse ,therefore they rely on feelings in assessing situation.

People side with those who defend themselves, not with those who invade and deliberately murder civilians. That's why people are more inclined to believe the Ukrainians rather than Russians who say that Ukrainian borsht is an example of Ukrainian xenophobia, or that Ukraine needs to be "de-nazified".

I can clearly see how believing the latter may define someone as an idiot.

And so are saying that no BS comes out of Russia?

of course it does. you just gotta get your feelings out and try to navigate in all this information mess,use your brain trying to find the facts. i like reading comments,they will lead you to google things.. dont underestimate brains of readers. they much clever than we are,cus the brain pool of those who read news is large

I think that is what most of us do.
We don't believe all the Ukes tell us but we know that when Russians open their mouths,they are lying
This wisdom comes from decades of experience of dealing with Russians.
This is a Russian problem and only they are capable of changing that perception by actions rather than words.

i only hope ukras are not advised by US advisors to do ,what "moderates" in Syria were doing.
you gotta understand that if Ukra is to get lotta weapons and money ,and more sanctions ,they need massive public support from world population.
go figure

They already have that.
You go figure.

people dont condemn russia for its actions, but cus they were told to condemn it
the very same people who condemn donbas rebels,were supporting syrian rebels.
people who condemn russia for occupying crimea ,dont seem to have problem with US occupying deir azor oil fields. and on and on 100 examples.
its one big finger pointing whos good whos bad .
if media told you that donbas rebels are "moderate opposition" and US attacked Ukraine to defend them,you would be in joy

Yes, when people develop their moral standards it tells them what actions to condemn. As a result, they condemn Russia for its actions.

In other words, you're mentioning different places on the planet, because you assume that you know whom people support. That's not because you actually asked these people, right? That's because you think that if someone has issues with Russia, it's only because they blindly follow the US, with no criticism towards it.

Now, if you condemn the USA for something, then how comes you defend Russia when it does supposedly the same?

If you're sure about the validity of your claims, you don't need childish provocations.

The crowd doesn't have one set of morals, because the crowd doesn't have hive mind. Individuals do have their own set of morals, largely influenced by their environment - yet with differences.

Furthermore, as I said few times (which you chose to ignore), Russia fails at this "pointing fingers" to the crowd, because Russia makes statements way too ridicilous. Like the one about borsht or about de-nazifying Ukraine. The Ukrainians don't need to say a word to be supported, all they have to do is to let Russians talk.


If it's not the same then please stick to the topic - mentioning other wars is pointless if the case is different. I don't recall Ukrainians murdering 14k of Russians, by the way.

it doesnt matter what russia says, or ukraine says. matter is what is exposed.i could find you thousand stupid things said by ukra officials.tymoshenko asked donbas to be nuked,just as example.


am pointing hypocrisy , it applies here . and ppl with morals-you so like to talk about , apply same standards to everyone. not different for our guys

It matters a lot. When Russia comes up with stories about de-nazification and borsht, it becomes obvious which side is full of crap. Bear in mind that we're not talking about average Joe's comments in the Internet. Living in Poland and frequently hearing the claims about Poland allegedly planning to restore the Commonwealth and annex Western Ukraine, I have no trouble in determining whose source of information has more lies and whom I should believe more.

That's why it matters what Russia and Ukraine say.


Hypocrisy? You just said that the cases are different.

But if you want to see hypocrisy, here's one: when the soldiers of any Western country commit crimes, they end up convicted of war crimes, discharged and imprisoned (like in case of Americans involved in torture in Abu Ghraib and crimes commited in Mahmudiyah). The Russians who commit war crimes are encouraged, and possibly are/will be rewarded with medals.

An average person in the West will apply same standards, regardless of the soldier's background. Being a war criminal provides the treatment that a war criminal deserves. So yes, there are same standards. Of course, not to everybody, as there are people in every society who attempt to justify the war crimes commited by their idols.

OMG he did not understand a word . this is becoming silly
bro ,try to understand, stories about borshch are being selected and presented to you.you your moral choice who support,its fake,cus you chose base on info that someone else selected for you.

have you ever seen image of donetsk child killed by ukra artillery? if you are bombarded daily with such images,your morals would tell you to support Donetsk republic.!

does not matter who says what,what matter s what info is being presented and how.
ppl dont make conscious decision who support in such war,base on merit,read documents and facts analysis.or even logic , but cus someone directed their emotion with "crying child" image

media and politician understand it

@gregy741

What Russia says is not made up. And if Russia talks about de-nazification and borsht, then is being aided by idiotic comments filled with whataboutery made by Russian fanboys from Ouagadougou, I'm already able to freely make my mind without even reading the news from the other side. I can combine it with the statements I heard from Ukrainians, and guess who'll be winning.

No, I'm not talking about being "bombarded" by the media, but by the people who support one side or another.

If I'll see a photo of a dead child, I'll see a photo of a dead child. That's it. Who was responsible for this, I do not know. But I can try to verify it, to check if the photo actually comes from Donetsk in the first place. I can also give up, remind myself the actual EXPERIENCE with the content produced by pro-Russian folks and pro-Ukrainian folks, and come up with a conclusion on who is more reliable. The one who's yapping about de-nazification of Ukraine and Poland restoring the Commonwealth? Or those who don't?

If the perfidity of one propaganda is unimportant to you, then it's not my problem.

@Novichok

Why include only 2 convenient for you options? I can easily add 3rd one: I am more inclined to believe in the testimonies of Ukrainians received first-hand, than in statements from pro-Russian sources that try to justify the invasion and mass murder by making up stories about borsht and de-nazification.

I'm not going to name "one war that was nice", because I never made such statement. I'm responsible for what I say and for what is posted, not for what you want to see there. The fact that wars are bad and people are dying is, in fact, another reason to condemn Russia for its invasion.


Western propaganda in all its history is more sophisticated and it evolves. That's why less people are as critical about certain actions of the Western governments - the weak points are improved. Russian propaganda stays in one place, talks crap easy to debunk by pretty much everybody who lives outside of Russia.


Is there a thread asking me to do so? Nah. If you want me to share my views about this or that, ask me about it in PROPER places - don't make claims about my alleged views, just because it would be convenient for you if I held these views. It only reveals your "ability" of having a fruitful conversation.

What you're trying to do here is an example of hypocrisy that you were supposedly pointing out. When America was murdering people, you say "it's bad, it needs to be condemned, we must hate it". But now you're okay with Russia doing exactly the same to other nation, because "America did it". If you condemn America for doing it, why are you defending Russia?

not defending Russia,am just not demonizing.why? cus :
its the US that trivialized wars conducting one after another ,to the point that objectively speaking ,Ukraine is just another war.
and i believe if not for the western braking rules and int laws for the past decades,Russia would not attack today.
its our exceptionalism tell us that Russia is bad and we are good. and we can kill and destroy because we have "western values" and " superior democracy" and they are mongols

america would conduct war on country for reason 50 times smaller than killing 14k of its people.and you wouldn't have problem with it

@gregy741

Thanks for disregarding 99% of what I said to you. Picking one sentence to address is certainly a marvelous strategy.

@gregy741
There is a differance in behaviour between Tsarist Russian soldiers from time of ww1 and red army soldiers post ww1, ww2 and nowadays Russian soldiers.

If you think that "mongol type" behaviour shouldn't be called for what is (pillaging, raping and murdering)

It makes people think you would want to do it yourself you know?

You can try to as objective as possible, cold, without being lead by feelings in this matter and analize. Doesn't change the fact that they would do it to you and your family if they had the chance, and they increase their chances by getting closer, step by step.

its bad, but bro what you describe is reality of the war. raping murdering happens everyday in London .you think ukras were not doing this in donbas?


i tell you 2 stories.
one about Belarusian commander of pro kiev tornado unit.he was famous for raping toddlers in donbas and recording it.
eventually junta put him in prison,but guess what. he soon got amnesty from zelensky after Russia attacked. hes out there back in donbas
thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convicted-child-rape-torture-military/

another is about famous "heroes" of Ukraine "Georgian legion"
there was an american merc with them,he run away back home after he witnesses what they doing there.
they stopped a car with 2 ukra men, put bags over their heads ,took them to near house and slit their throats for fun.
ask here about those mercs,people tell you they are heroes. ignorants.
you gotta try to see other people perspective ,not only read denisova twits

@gregy741
There is a difference of a few individuals and army policy/orders. If your unable to grasp that, nobody will convince you otherwise.

You see one little wrong thing among those branded as good guys (news flash, it's where the worst type of scum try to hide among, wether it's religious groups or any. They infiltrate places they think they can get away with it) and then you think an army of thugs and criminals who openly state doing the same or similar just an masse is justified to support better? I disagree

Nobody likes getting duped, but having the perception of being intelligent isn't a life necessity. So when reality hits you, showing your not as smart as you thought, doesn't mean you gotta join the ones who are open about their vile deeds

@Kashub1410

Well, in some people's mindset you must either claim that one side is represented only by angels and the other only by devils, or you must be "fair" and distribute it 50:50. Anything between is an abstract concept.

@Veles
No,

It ain't 50:50

And I don't state Ukrainians are angels

bro.this is what am trying to tell you.
you guys are the one calling russians mongols cus you read something in media. some crime .i told you ,this is nasty side of war. and not russians genes

wasnt amnestying from prison child rapist a state policy? signed by zelensky? how bout bringing violent thugs ,employ them as mercenary? forming nazi battalions?

@Kashub1410

Exactly.

@gregy741
Cause they are behaving like mongols when mongols invaded Eastern Europe!!!

What's so difficult to comprehend? You think every army on earth pillage, murder and rape every possible place they can? Get real

All the looking back at previous wars means nothing. The US dropped to atom bombs on Japan. So what? It has nothing to do with today and what Russia is doing in Ukraine. WMD in Iraq? Gassing civilians in Syria? None of that matters in Ukraine.

The facts are still that Russia guaranteed Ukraine security when Ukraine gave up its nukes. Ukraine was already denied NATO entry by Germany and Merkels vote. Ukraine was told at the beginning of this war they would not be allowed to join NATO once again. Russia attacked a country in 2014 they guaranteed security to. They have increased the attacks this year in the sense of the current war. Thats it, those are the only facts that matter.

All the Russian coxuckers here who think the war is justified are arm chair warriors. None of you have the balls to do anything substantial but waste peoples time here with your stupid arguments. Putin started a war. It is just that simple. Now Ukraine is gaining back territory. Russia is a criminal nation with very few exclusions to that statement. Most of you have never been there, and most of you are just pu$$ies sitting at home watching people die on the internet because you have been playing video games too long and think its cool.

Here's to hopping where ever you live that you experience a bomb being dropped on your house while your whole family is there. All of your family members die, all of the children die. And you are the only one left alive to see it. You have to bury each person by yourself. Then you have to carry on living with those memories. That is the wish I have for each and every one of you Russian scumbag supporters.

about that kherson offensive. i guess- any moment now?am asking cus i want to put kettle on,and i dont wanna miss the beginning

any buha reports published yet?

Ukraine has liberated 44 villages and towns in the Kherson region so far. I would say that's more than just a little start. Hope the kettle can refill it self. This is going to take a while.

those villages you speak of,are located in Ukraine or in Narnia?

@gregy741
All you have to do is read real reports from multiple sources not colored by politics on either side, or ignoring the politics and you can find plenty of information. Living in Krakow and having access to US military people every day through one of my business here I get great information. What country are you hiding in?

ok i found it, so which villages Ukrainians conquered?
reddit.com/r/Narnia/comments/dkrwlw/colorized_map_of_narnia/