Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

Since Nuremberg.
Either you and other Russia haters have evidence of "war crimes" against them or not. This is as binary a question as it gets requiring a very binary answer. Your suspicions and beliefs are mental garbage you should keep private because nobody with two brain cells gives a damn.

russian state tv at it again, saying maybe children from Ukraine should be put in russian military schools.... no word of the children, or parents, might want...

twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1554122972935372804

what 20th century fascist power did something like that with Polish children? Maybe we could play wheel of fortune?

L_B_NSB_RN

Anyone wanna buy a vowel?

That should be enough for Nuremberg 2.0 - the Russian edition. This is just so awful...My God!

Good news today for a change......
LONDON (Reuters) -Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Monday there could be no winners in a nuclear war and no such war should ever be started.

Can we trust him though ?

Aside of current actual proof (the world wouldn't believe the first stories of Nazi gas chambers either)......could you imagine Russians doing all that or do you think it impossible generally, all hostile propaganda?

he's in favor of russia taking Ukrainian children from their parents so that they can be turned into cannon fodder in future misadventures.

Or he's pretending to be in favor of that to get some of the attention he's lacking in real life....

I don't really believe that....I'm more in favour of some kind of "underdog-support-syndrome". Sometimes when there is such an overwhelming case of so many against so few (or actually only one), sometimes the human trait of supporting the underdog kicks in....even if it's a huge empire with nukes....here on PF though Russia is mostly alone!

Some kind of misguided wish for fairness....I guess....

Or maybe he just identifies with what Putin does? Persecuting gays and muslims. His cynic lies, his antipathy towards Western democracies?

...hmmm....he prefers to live in one.....and he acts hostile against real or imagined threats for example immigrants....or radical leftists....

Maybe there is a mix-up of topics? We have that in Germany too.....conservatives just prefer gay-hating Putin only as the antipole to our own nerve-grating wokies? Nothing to do with Ukraine etc. at all?

It's a confusing age....

@johnny reb
I think we can actually believe this. Putin is concerned about his legacy. His ego will not allow him to be remembered by survivors as the man who initiated the global nuclear war.

Ukraine received the German MLRS today. These unites have more capacity than the US version, and more are on the way. More missiles, more Orc's roasted. That sounds like an equation that everyone can understand.

Among native Poles - nobody here supports it or I suffer from amnesia so remind me who does. It is different with Am Poles - some support, while others oppose.

@pawian
No real American will ever support Russia. Americans have been educated and indoctrinated to at the minimum dislike, in the middle distrust, and in most cases despise. Anyone who lived in the 70's to early 90's would prefer to see Russia isolated and a wasteland. It is only fools and those with mental disorders living in the US that would support Russia in any way.

I think you omitted conscious traitors among certain Pol Am conservatives who support RuSSia coz it cracks down on minorities which they hate: gays, immigrants etc.

Just as at Nuremberg, present the evidence, find them guilty, and then we will talk. Adults don't guess, assume, speculate, or indulge in wishing for their preferred outcomes.

BTW, not every dead civilian or POW is evidence of a war crime. Duh!

Yes. We are today happy with Biden.

made bucked of popcorn a week ago,ready for counter offensive in kherson. :(
what i suppose to do with it now? its dry. and i dont have pigs to feed
shall i wait one more day? or make new bucket of popcorn.surely offensive any minute now. tell me its just about to start.pls

if they wait any longer,they will forget about starting it.

Bro, if you are in Russia's empire, you get GREAT REPLACEMENT with churkas and russians, and you get DECADENCE of alcoholism and wife beatings.

I don't think so.
You are a blunt instrument and don't understand the subtleties.

The problem is you don`t use subtleties in your posts.
Never mind, stick to the topic which is Polish aid to Ukraine.
Do you know much much Poles have spent to help Ukrainian refugees????

I know everything about what Poles have done to help Ukrainians.
An old enemy historically, but we have much more in common with them than with Serbs.

No, you don`t. But no worry. You will know more when I tell you the estimates are 10 billion zlotys from individuals and 15 billion of state funds.

bankier.pl/wiadomosc/10-mld-zl-dla-uchodzcow-z-Ukrainy-Tyle-na-pomoc-mogli-wydac-Polacy-z-prywatnych-srodkow-8381149.html

Amasing!

Enjoying the perks of democracy and siding with their enemies was something people have always done.


If you ask some of those "conservatives" about their geopolitical world view, and more specifically about the role of the countries between Russia and Germany, you'll get some rather revealing answers. Usually something involving Bismarck, Reinsurance Treaties, Rapallo and some other buzzwords. It gets a bit funny though when they end up defending Putin alsongside the "anti-imperialistic" far-left.


Experts knew already in 1945 that
the SU was most likely behind the massacre in Katyn and that the Molotov-Ribbentrop likely included an agreement about the partition of Poland. The SU denied this and prevented experts from finding definite proof, until they eventually admitted to in in the 90s (which Putin has since then tried to downplay). The SU was of course still deemed as the culprit in publications.

The same will happen with atrocities commited during the war. As long as Russia controls the areas where the crimes happened, it will be impossible to find "definite" proof, but they will be held responsible unless they can produce some extraordinary counter-evidence.

@gregy741
Apparently you missed that during the counter offensive that is beginning, Ukraine captured 11 Russians just outside of Kherson yesterday. On officer, one ensign and 9 ordinary Orc's. A huge ammo dump was also blown up, bringing the total to 50 of them in recent days. And lets not forget the strike on the train full of Russians taking nearly 300 out of the fight at one time. I know such small details probably elude those who only watch RT and Russian military gay films.

Being in Krakow, I am still amazed at the lines of Ukraine people every day at help centers. I am amazed at how those donation distribution points are still able to help people meet their needs. The generosity of people in this situation is remarkable to witness. A third such center opened in my neighborhood, and it brings Ukraine women to my buildings front door every morning. Young and old, all clearly have a traumatized look about them. While armchair soldiers supporting Putin are on PF, most of who will never actually have to see these things, some of us actually live with the destruction Russia is responsible for. Those of us that do have to see and work within the environment Russia has created become more resolute in our opinions of Russia. This is a war that will have a generational effect and Russia will not survive the younger generation most effected by this. When those young people are running countries, Russia will continue to be locked out. Just another situation Putin did not anticipate or think about before waging this war. Happy gulag biatches!

dont know, maybe. not much info in twitter about such thing. no images no names of villages.
but ukra seem to be losing bakhmut and soledar. and those are hughe strategic loses. main communication/transport routes for siversk.
if those fall,siversk is in bad situation and all east of slaviansk will fall.

@gregy741
Funny how the news out of Bakhmut is that the Orc's are being pushed back every time they try to make an advance. Don't look now but 4 more HIMARS just entered the field along with the German MLRS. You might want to go buy some more popcorn, this may take a while.

another example ,how western media manipulate
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11066767/Moment-Ukrainian-soldier-detonates-anti-personnel-throwing-TYRE-it.html#readerCommentsCommand-message-field
this is DNR soldier clearing ukrainian mine.
its shocking what ukrainian criminals have been doing for the past 4 days, dropping hundrets of butterfly mines in donetsk city.
absolutely disgusting

phake... those are soviet era mines used in Afghanistan...

meanwhile, the second high ranking official in the putain administration in a week or so publicly calls for the total re-constitution of the USSR

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1554365132159025154

It's worth remembering that the USSR II wouldn't be any more economically viable than USSR I, so they'd have to gather in satellites to exploit as well, including a certain country between Germany and the byelorussian SSR....

Defeat russia in Ukraine of be prepared to fight it in Warsaw....

so whats the fake in it? or you are being stupid as usual

who's been digging the bottom of reserve munitions lately?

vs

who's been getting a fair amount of new munitions?

do the math...