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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3



PolAmKrakow
10 Aug 2022  #991

The railways between Crimea and Kherson now completely unusable by Russia. Bridges impassable. And airports being blown up by insurgents. Yes. It is getting bad for Russia in Ukraine. Now Ukraine says they will have Kherson back by the end of the year, then it is on to Crimea and all the other areas the Orc's have infested. The big question nobody has answered yet....

What do we do with all the thousand more Orc bodies that will soon be laying around? Happy gulag biatches!

pawian
10 Aug 2022  #992

all inclusive but it turned out to be all explosive.

Another pun in Polish - now they can boast at home they had bombowe vacation. hahahaha

jon357
10 Aug 2022  #993

bombowe vacation

r*SSian arrogance or naiveté.

Taking a holiday in an occupied part of a country under invasion and not expecting to hear bangs.

It's just a shame that there's still a bridge for them to flee over.

mafketis
10 Aug 2022  #994

Very weird how the idea of not issuing tourist visas to russians anymore only came up recently and the entire russian government is totally freaking.... which means it's the right thing to do...

pawian
10 Aug 2022  #995

not issuing tourist visas to russians anymore

On the one hand, it is good coz Russians need to understand the civilised world is against their barbaric imperialism.
On the other hand, it is bad coz such a move might contain the escape of educated Russians who understand there is no future for them in RuSSia. The more valuable Russians leave, the sooner the collapse of the Empire of Evil will take place.

Miloslaw
10 Aug 2022  #996

The more valuable Russians leave, the sooner the collapse of the Empire of Evil will take place

A great point!

PolAmKrakow
11 Aug 2022  #997

Don't look now, but the UK is sending more MLRS to Ukraine. Now that the Russians are getting cut off, and Crimea is in a panic, things are getting very interesting. Why are the Putin @$$ lickers so quiet? Oh, must be the shutting down of a few spamming and fake social media propaganda groups getting in the way. Or like most bullies when getting punched in the mouth by the little guys, they just stfu. Happy gulag biatches!

Crow
11 Aug 2022  #998

UK is sending more MLRS to Ukraine.

And by that UK is legitimate military target for Russia.

Enjoy

Bratwurst Boy
11 Aug 2022  #999

Torture murder video from Ukraine

soldier is castrated and killed - research network finds suspected perpetrator


tagesspiegel.de/politik/foltermord-video-aus-der-ukraine-soldat-wird-kastriert-und-getoetet-recherchenetzwerk-findet-mutmasslichen-taeter/28586024.html?dicbo=v2-be119c5b3bbe83c18aecfc9dbf377966

The torture of a man in a Ukrainian uniform is documented on video. The crime is said to have been committed by the Chechen "Achmat" battalion.

Yuck!

...It was initially hailed on the pro-Russian front, until Putin's supporters called it "probable fakes." In their view, it was planted in the sewers by Ukrainian agents to discredit Russia's army.

To date, it has remained unclear who the victims and perpetrators are. The investigative network Bellingcat, together with colleagues from the platform The Insider, did extensive research and found out that the recordings took place on the premises of the Privolye sanatorium in the Luhansk region.

that the alleged perpetrator is said to be Ochur-Suge Mongush, born in 1993, from Tuvar in Siberia. Bellingcat refrains from revealing his identity.


...like in old times...Europeans against cruel attacking hordes from Asia....

Korvinus
11 Aug 2022  #1000

And by that UK is legitimate military target for Russia.

When Russians fight against rats, I'll support the rodent faction. Go rats!

mafketis
11 Aug 2022  #1001

The idea of not issuing Schengen tourist visas to russians was making russians ( both "citizens" and the government) freak out and the obviously _hated_ the idea since it would be affecting the middle class of Moscow (the part of the public the russian government wants to keep comfortable).

Fear not, the idea won't happen.... who should speak out against it but.......

Olaf Scholz! putain's own little trained pony is dancing for his masters again! I'm sure Germans are swelling with pride!

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1557719936901849088

He continues with the false idea that it's not the russian people (and their desire for violent revenge against... someone) that are behind the genocidal campaign in Ukraine....

Germany you keep disappointing me (and most of Euorpe)....

Bratwurst Boy
11 Aug 2022  #1002

...me too! That's just embarrassing...I apologize to Europe!

Cojestdocholery
11 Aug 2022  #1003

No, show some Christian mercy.

What? Don't talk about things you have no idea about.

pawian
11 Aug 2022  #1004

have no idea about.

What?? It is a lie! I know what Christian mercy is! I only make exceptions for Mongol RuSSists and endecja nationalists! But exceptions prove the rule!

mafketis
11 Aug 2022  #1005

Very good thread here on the genesis, structure and contents of modern russian political philosophy.... the twitter name is kind of dumb but the contents are great...

twitter.com/PutinHasNoPenis/status/1557158474294902784

shorter version: the current russian political system is based on three pillars, which are

one - rejection of western morals

two - rejection of previous (soviet) leaders

three - an all-powerful ruthless dictator

domestic repression and foreign aggression are legitimized by this system, the world will not know peace until it is destroyed

Miloslaw
11 Aug 2022  #1006

@mafketis

Great post!!!!

Crnogorac3
11 Aug 2022  #1007

Jihadi Julian is very depressive:

twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1557716726745370627

Tacitus
11 Aug 2022  #1008

He continues with the false idea that it's not the russian people

He is right of course. Putin is responsible for the war, not the Russian people.

Cojestdocholery
11 Aug 2022  #1009

Putin is responsible for the war, not the Russian people.

All that rotten society and country are responsible not only Putin. That is a lie Germans spew to put their foot into doorway and do business as usuall with Russia.

Tacitus
11 Aug 2022  #1010

rotten society and country are responsible

And what kind of influence can an ondividual hope to have in a society with no democratic elections, no free press or the right to protest?

and do business as usuall

If we did, we would not be worrying about the winter.

Bratwurst Boy
12 Aug 2022  #1011

He is right of course. Putin is responsible for the war, not the Russian people.

I once thought so too....but:

In June 2022, after the start of the Russian war of aggression in Ukraine, around 83 percent of Russian respondents supported the actions of Russian President Vladimir Putin.Putin's popularity had soared in the months leading up to hostilities, soaring to this high amidst Western sanctions, Russian repression of freedom of expression and rising food prices. During the COVID-19 lockdown in spring 2020, Putin's popularity rating had fallen before rising again in late summer of the same year.

de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1293274/umfrage/umfrage-zu-den-zustimmungswerten-fuer-wladimir-putin-in-russland/

Why should the same Russians get visas? The opposition, the young and brainy ones, have mostly left for the West in the meantime anyhow already....

PS: Who knows if the invasion of Ukraine had not been a Corona-diversionary tactic!

Bratwurst Boy
12 Aug 2022  #1012

....and then that:

Ukrainian Foreign Minister lectures Scholz: "It's not just Putin's war"

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba has reiterated the call for a travel ban on Russian citizens. In a tweet on Thursday, Kuleba picked up a formulation by Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD). He had said: "This is (President Vladimir) Putin's war," so he couldn't imagine a ban on tourist visas for Russians.


focus.de/politik/ausland/das-ukraine-update-am-11-august-satellitenbilder-entlarven-russen-luege-nach-krim-angriff_id_72885571.html

"This is Russia's war, not just Putin's," Kuleba countered. "Not Putin, but Russian soldiers come from Russia to murder, torture and destroy." The majority of the Russian population supports the war. "So Russian tourists should enjoy Russia," demanded the Kiev Foreign Minister. ....

Why should Germans all feel guilty for the Third Reich if it was only Hitler?

Alien
12 Aug 2022  #1013

There is something like collective responsibility, I wrote about it at the beginning of this war.

mafketis
12 Aug 2022  #1014

Putin is responsible for the war, not the Russian people.

It is not the big bad putain dragging an unwilling nation to war, partly it's a populist giving his base exactly what they want (down to an including killing their sons so they can get nice new cars....)

Galeev has written a lot about this recently

the great majority of russians really don't care about subtle moral calculus, all they care about is whether it affects them materially

all the government only cares about keeping moscow happy (and doesn't care about the rest of the country just as musovites don't care).

if sanctions don't hurt their consumption most russians think: "Cool, putin's doing a good job!"

a moratorium on tourist visas _hurt_ which indicates it would be a very good thing to do

why is Scholz so eager to give away any leverage the west might have?

is it because he's owned by putin?

Sure looks like it.

Tacitus
12 Aug 2022  #1015

why is Scholz so eager to give away any leverage the west might have?

Because Germans know about the subleties of collective guilt?

Countries could require answers similar to ones Germans had to answer when traveling to Israel. Have you participated in the illegal invasion of Ukraine? Are you a member of Putin's party?.

Bit simply banning all Russians from Visas is just spiteful.

PolAmKrakow
12 Aug 2022  #1016

The genius that is Vlad Putin has thrown Russia's economy backward four years in just the first quarter of the year. Remember that we were more than half way through the first quarter when the genius started the war. So as a measuring metric, every six weeks, Russia see's its economy regress four years. Essentially, Russia will reach 1990 economic levels before the first year anniversary of this war. Now that is some accomplishment. To throw a whole nation back 32 years in one year simply can not be replicated in any other country. Bravo!

mafketis
12 Aug 2022  #1017

simply banning all Russians from Visas is just spiteful.

If being "spiteful" can save thousands of lives otherwise killed by brutal and primitive russian soldiers then I'll be spiteful, Ukrainian lives are more important than not hurting russians' feelings.

Tacitus
12 Aug 2022  #1018

Why would banning Russians from Visas save lifes?

I'll be spiteful

You may be, but politicians should not be led by spite.

PolAmKrakow
12 Aug 2022  #1019

@Tacitus
Simple. If Russian's can not escape Russia, they can blame Putin and turn on him. Every avenue of pressure needs to be used to isolate Russia, and Russian's. Think the US opened their arms to Nazi tourists during WW2? And, no one knows who is a potential spy for Russia at this point. Simple reasons, that make sense.

mafketis
12 Aug 2022  #1020

politicians should not be led by spite.

they should not be led by putin either, but Scholz seems to do what's best for him at every turn....


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