Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

Hiring mercenaries and convicts is a sign it's not going well for them.

And the 'professuonal' soldiers they have apparently don't know how to use or maintain the explosive armour in tanks, hence the huge attrition rate.

Its that place we are sending all our tax dollars too. While cheap ass NATO and the Eurps dont do crap and try and lecture us.

Hilarious article from Politico, titled: "Ukraine has telegraphed its big counteroffensive for months. So where is it?"

Link: politico.com/news/2022/08/16/ukraine-russia-kherson-00052285

A Polish analyst, interviewed for the article, had some curious things to say:

"Why the public messaging around Kherson? I'll be honest with you, I don't know, but this is something that is driving me crazy," said Konrad Muzyka, a military analyst and director of Rochan Consulting, which tracks the war.

"Frankly, from a military point of view, absolutely it does not make sense, because if you are a Ukrainian military commander you would much rather fight, let's say, the seven Russian battalion tactical groups that were in northern Kherson a month ago, not the 15 or 20 there now," Muzyka added

This is quite disappointing. In Russian telegram groups people were beginning to get quite excited. After months of the collective West sh!tting on Russia for its slow pace of advance against entrenched Ukrainian positions, it was hoped that we could "past" at least a few tens of thousands of Ukrainians as they would try their own hand at an offensive. Now it looks like we'll just have to keep being the ones that do the pushing. It seems that in the end, the Ukrainians have realized that they would get wrecked if they attempted a determined offensive push with their groups of untrained territorials and depleted regular formations.

Once again, big talk, followed up with little to no actions. As PolAmCow would say - "Happy Maidan B!tches"

P.S. - Let me attempt to guess at what PF Bandera-lovers will claim... This was all a brilliant ruse by the Ukrainians to pull away Russian forces from the East, and in fact they never seriously planned any attack on Kherson. Am I right, or am I right guys? Hahahahaha

They are cleverly building up the atmosphere. And it works on Russians perfectly. Did you see those panicked tourists in dozen km long jams on the bridge? A few more months and the Crimea will be free of RuSSists coz they will all escape. hahahaha


That is why they are taking time and shelling important objects to make sure RuSSists are completely demoralized when the offensive commences.

You'll find out the hard way.

....you are right! They seem to concentrate what they can do best with their means available....sabotage behind enemy lines!


businessinsider.com/ukraine-guerilla-units-in-kherson-assassinate-bomb-russian-occupiers-2022-8

..."Our goal is to make life unbearable for the Russian occupiers and use any means to derail their plans," Andriy, 32, a Kherson-based member of the Zhovta Strichka, or "Yellow Ribbon," resistance movement, told the Associated Press....

That strategy is so much more successful....

Bobko, frankly I see the Red Army go down like the Wehrmacht back in the day! It's a Deja Vu!

@jon357

When? Will the "real" counteroffensive happen after Odessa, or perhaps to retake Lvov? Hahahaha


No war was ever won by partisans. Eventually, regular formations have to become involved, otherwise you get a slow burning counterinsurgency, which we Russians are very good at extinguishing.

@Bobko
A lot more Russians dying than Ukraine. No Russian advances and Ukraine is slowly taking back territory. How are those 1960's tanks dumba$$.

How's that counteroffensive you loved to post about at least 10 times a week? Still trust your "authoritative" news sources? Dumba$$.


If you actually know your WW2 history well, you should know that the Partisans, whether Yugoslav or Belarusian, were never more than a nuisance for the Wehrmacht. What did the Wehrmacht in, was mass maneuvers by million men fronts, followed by encirclements and colossal tank battles.

....na ja....we must have learned different histories then? In my time the soviet partisans were somewhat glorified, and yes...they "did it"....as the direct comparison with the Wehrmacht made the Red Army look not so great (weaponry, tactics, soldier skills etc.), it had been the partisans which the Wehrmacht never found an effective answer to.

Conquering a territory is one thing (the Wehrmacht did got to see Moscow after all), keeping it another altogether....I get the inkling the Red Army will be forced to learn the same lecture!

I guess we did.

At the Nuremberg trials, chief of the Operations Staff of the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht - Generaloberst Alfred Jodl - said that he doubted whether German casualties due to partisans in the Soviet Union were as high as 50,000.

Studies in the 1970s suggested a figure between 15,000 and 20,000 for German casualties. Source for this is: "The Phantom War" by Matthew Cooper p.ix

In other sources, the total losses of the Wehrmacht are claimed to be as low as 7,000 for the entirety of the war.

Link: avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/01-07-46.asp

Soviet historians had an incentive to exaggerate the role of the partisans, and the Germans had the same reasons too (as you say, it makes losing against the Red Army a little less embarrassing). In reality, they had little support from civilians, and were much more successful at inflicting casualties amongst our own population (through confiscating food and horses and executing so called collaborationists), than they were at creating problems for the Germans. P!ssed-off Germans would also typically torch entire villages as retribution for partisan attacks. In the end, the war would be won with or without them. Perhaps a little unromantic, but it's the truth.

I am Serbian. I love Poland and Russia.

....and the GDR repeated that! :(

I refer you to my previous answer.

As Ukraine is winning and has broad support from the free world and increasing arms supplies at the same time that r*SSia is descending to desperation, rather than give a concrete answer (which of course is a matter for the Ukrainian military and nobody else), you and the other orcs will just have to wait and see.

Interesting times ahead...

After Afghanistan, most probably. :):):)

youtu.be/PsR1nzE67Tc

Mariupol is quickly built and restored. There will be beautiful buildings.

Mariupol is lucky.

Mariupol will look like Dresden after the Soviets and GDR "restored" it. No doubt once the Russians are expelled the city will have to be rebuilt once again.

It is obvious RuSSists will clear the city of any objects which could remind of its Ukrainian past.

Hey, master historian (I use this term very sarcastically) - your current American overlords destroyed Dresden in a way that no large city had ever been destroyed, despite there being no significant military targets, and then they repeated that feat but this time with nuclear weapons in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We restored Dresden as best we could, while we ourselves had tens of thousands of villages and dozens upon dozens of cities to restore after your very civilized military had visited them.

So... go f!ck yourself.

We means Soviet RuSSists. If you restored Dresden like you did in Konigsberg, now Kaliningrad, then I can only pity Dresden residents.

Here are two photos showing how you restored the castle in Kaliningrad

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The Kiel Institute thinks otherwise. Politico, which is just on fire this week, has another wonderful article for you to read:

politico.eu/article/data-show-europe-waning-military-support-ukraine/

This article states that European military support for Ukraine has been waning since April. More recently, it has gone to zero. Quote:

Throughout all of July, Europe's six largest countries offered Ukraine no new bilateral military commitments, according to new data - the first month that had happened since Russia invaded in February.

The revelation is a sign that despite historic shifts in European defense policy - which have seen once reluctant countries like France and Germany ship arms to Ukraine - military aid to Ukraine may be waning just as Kyiv launches a crucial counteroffensive.

Truly, we live in separate information spheres, and many people such as yourself - simply believe what they want, based on their subjective feelings. BTW, we Russians are eagerly awaiting the voting in of that incompetent cow Liz Truss. It was hard to imagine Britain being led by someone more incompetent than master clown Boris, but the UK continues to surprise.

Wow! I could not do a better job myself at describing the reasons for Ukraine's current predicament. It turns out that discriminating against Russian-speakers, trying to kick out the Black Sea Fleet, stealing Russian gas, and staging unconstitutional coups has consequences. Those consequences are: losing at least 25% of your territory, 10M+ of your population as refugees, and at least a 60% collapse in GDP. Great Maidan guys!

Yes, but they retained their independence and freedom against the brutal invasion of RuSSist Mongols!! Poles would be extremely happy if they could get such a result in 1939 when Nazi Germans and Soviet Russists invaded and partitioned Poland as allies.


Darling, only temporarily. The Crimea will remain ruSSist, but all territories occupied after Feb 2022 will return to Ukraine. Tell us, how long will ruSSia survive under Western sanctions if it doesn`t relinquish the Occupied Lands?? What do you think?? hahahaha

I love equations and numbers. I wonder if Z knows them. According to PF psychologists, only Putin lives in a bubble.

Yes, he does coz he is the President. But he is also the Believer - he strongly believes RuSSists will be defeated and forced to leave Ukraine, pay the reparations and give up their obsessive imperial drive.


Yes, we know. You always ask how many, how many. And you don`t care they are such pitifully stupid questions. Good for you to live in this oblivion bubble.

Notice how all the Putin a$$ kissers always refer to history that is WW2? Of course no one wants to talk about all the agreements and treaties signed since then regarding war, defense and the rules agreed to. Still none of you address that Russia has no legitimate reason to attack Ukraine since Ukraine had no plans to attack Russia and there was no threat. None address the illegal annexation of Crimea. But of course you continue to deflect and try to justify.

The discussion is really becoming boring. Same people, same arguments. Bla bla bla. But of course this is what Russia wants to happen on boards like this and throughout the world. They want everyone to get bored and stop helping Ukraine.

As for my conversations, still ongoing with American soldiers nearly daily. The war has come to a standstill essentially, Russia is preparing for a defense of Kherson, Ukraine is bombing the F out of the logistical targets they have and softening the ground in advance. Ukraine is also slowly taking back land from Russia. This is how a counter offensive begins when its actually planned. This is how defensive forces have been preparing counter offensives for years. The Putinites are expecting an invasion force like Normandy?

While the level of WW2 knowledge here is actually interesting, the level of analytical intelligence by those with that knowledge is embarrassingly low. Happy gulag biatches!

Russia has legitimate reason to attack any NATO and EU country. Any. Why not? Plenty of reasons but, power of NATO and EU aren`t among them. Now think.

@Crow; power not a reason.
Of course it is a reason.

There is no combined EU or NATO power.

So `Special operation` will after Ukraine extend on certain countries. And it would be completely legitimate.