Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

Apologies, I thought I recalled you citing a 70,000 number somewhere and I must have got confused... Actually, I found it! On June 26 (JUNE 26TH, hahaha), in reply to Velund you said the following:


So now you say it's 70,000 total killed and wounded. Ok. I guess Russian soldiers get reborn like Lazarus, and that explains the reduction in your numbers over the last two months.

Let's do some logical exercises now. The first stop will be establishing what the Ukrainians themselves are saying, and they are saying that they are vastly outnumbered. I'll post some images at the bottom of this post of what I get when I Google "Ukraine outnumbered".

Now:

1) Russia supposedly had 200K in its initial invasion force.

2) Ukraine claims it has an army of 700K, and promised to raise it to a million by end of summer.

3) PolAmCow says Russia has lost either 70,000 or 105,000 total, depending on which PolAmCow you are talking to - the June one or the August one (perhaps this is more determined by his blood alcohol content).

... and now here is the question - how do you, pray tell, make sense of these numbers? Are Russians continuing to "outnumber" the Ukrainians while having only around half of their initial invasion force? Perhaps Ukraine actually has much less troops than she continues to report? Maybe... Russian losses actually been modest, and the recruitment drives successful, while Ukraine has lost a disproportionate amount of men and materiel? But how could this be - our main military expert claims that Russian losses are 2X of Ukraine'a.

Actually, I apologize - it's impossible to have any kind of logical exercise if the starting point is your retarded claims. Help me out, what am I missing here?

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@Cojestdocholery
If it is what he said, he thinks like a businessman.

German main interest is to keep foreign hostile forces at bay, turning away from bullets to beer, cars and euro. Basically plant politics, make any potential neighbour or aggressive state dose off by alcohol/food and chance to earn money.

The fundemental reason for the creation of Germany was to stay off enemy armies from pillaging German countryside, which was succeed even right after ww1.

Which is why the militaristic approach wasn't heavily abandoned until after ww2 when foreign armies were marching in German lands again.

Germany just couldn't keep up with the U.S military complex any longer. (Nobody can either).

So it's not that surprising that Germany continues it's policy towards Russia (it has it towards everyone basically).

Question remains if Germany will prefer Russia over Poland in the long run, Germans can trust that Poles will be loud regarding disagreements, same can't be said about Russians. Russia will sign any truce or peace treaty if it gain anything from it, then create a new situation for another truce to gain more.

Poland can be bothersome for Germany, but at least Poland has no plans, intentions or will to invade, occupy or take over Germany.

Russia would jump at it if she had the chance.

Poland is far more concerned to rival with Russia regarding minor/medium sized Slavic states (by being an opposing force to Germany in a good way provides a feeling of safety among minor Slavic states).

If Germans start to understand that dual necessity of Poland (Germany as a trade/economical neighbour for Poland, and a force Poland can keep in check regarding Slavic states)

Only two Slavic states dismissing this concept are Serbia (due to German meddling in balkans and conflict with Croats) and Russia (who see Western influence in Ukraine as as American lead infiltration and a threat).

As you say, fear rules them.


No. germany was told they were out of line and were forced to behave.

Why are there so many r*SSia supporters in their government?

For interested people.....it took awhile but in Germany now begins the time that Merkel's government is re-examined. 16 long years she was more or less kept upon a podest....and many of her fellows in politics and media are still on top....but the catastrophes she led Germany into are just to big to ignore much longer!

An article in the "Zeit" is a good start:


zeit.de/politik/2022-08/sabine-adler-russlandpolitik-deutschland-ukraine-krieg

For a long time, Putin has German politicians wrapped around his finger, says Eastern Europe expert Sabine Adler. But Merkel's failure was the biggest, even though she comes from the East.

Be it the annexation of Crimea or NATO membership: Germany has failed when it comes to Ukraine policy, says author and Eastern Europe expert Sabine Adler in an interview. She means above all Merkel, Schröder and Steinmeier. Chancellor Olaf Scholz also considers them unsuitable as mediators in the Ukraine war.

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That can only be the beginning......

PS: Just send the text through a translator!

@jon357
SPD has a long Pro-Soviet tradition and policy of nurtering Russian relations. It's what they believe lead to the acceptance of uniting Germany

They support - horror of horrors - Germany. As in "Germany First". Wow! What a novel concept. Just like Orban and Hungary.

@Bobko

Hey retard, I said 70,000 killed or wounded. Repeat 70,000 killed or wounded. The invading force was reported as 150,000 not 200,000. Get your math straight dumb dumb. Sorry for one typo. Not really, dont GAF. Now kindly go FO. I am not going to waste time posting screen shots of news that clearly is slanted to one side of search. You must be the dumbest Russian on the net. No wonder you are not hacking or something. Not smart enough for that division of scumbags.

Russia is sustaining approximately 200 dead OR wounded daily. Ukraine sustaining approximately 100 dead OR wounded. By that math, Orc's sent to hamburger factory is twice as many as Ukraine's killed defending their homes. Orc roast invitations not needed for Russians, just pack you $hit and head to the front line while your parents get a new car or Iphone upon your liquidation. Happy gulag dumba$$es

Haha! This guy is just hilarious. Two months ago - TWO MONTHS - he was saying KIA and WIA were 105,000 combined. Since then, we've had the two hottest months of the war, and... Russian losses have shrunk to 70,000 total. I can't imagine what goes on in his head, or how he processes information.

It's nearly as bad as what was going on with Ukraine's officially reported tally (I don't say it's worse, only because PAK is a nobody, and the other is a government agency that people rely on for facts). First their official tally was going up by thousands daily (leading to loud cheers on PF), and then when Western governments began to report their much more conservative estimates they just simply froze their tally at 30-some thousand. Literally, that is what they did - just froze it. I guess the idea was to let reality catch up to Ukrainian fantasy. Now, over the months it slowly crept up to 45 thousand or so, which is still a likely gross overestimate. Jokers these guys, and even bigger jokers are the people that believe them.


Were you high on crack, then, when you reported 35,000 killed and 70,000 wounded in June?

There is no "Germany First" in the german politics....hasn't been since WWII! You wouldn't even know how such thing would look like....not really!

When Polam says he's been talking to yank soldiers, better believe him, cause trust me, he's a lot closer to the frontlines than you are, trading your crypto and stocks in NY, hahah, so was it the reporpused ukri neptune misslies or is it ukri special forces or is it local partisans that are blowing your **** up in crimea and belogrod> ahahahaha

Oh, we know what Deutschland über Alles looks like, please no need to remind us.


I will do no such thing. First of all, because I respect the American military enough to know that random soldiers that PAK pesters wouldn't be allowed anywhere near information which is heavily classified. If he's actually hearing these things, these soldiers must be blabbermouth cowboys that - again - wouldn't know a thing. Second, because there are no American soldiers in Ukraine (at least officially), so why the f*ck should I believe the gossip reported on an Internet forum by a person that has a known track record of exaggerating things and not being particularly emotionally stable?

...wasn't so great for non-Germans, was it!

How someone could compare current german govs with that is beyond me...

It shows they put Putler's megalomania before the lives of their own people.

Thing ist most Germans prefer Russians over Poles....the hostility by PiS and many nationalist Poles against Germans is so not helping (also on PF). You hear such things (hate/mistrust) not from Russians...quite the contrary.....

There seems to be a mutual dislike between Poles and Germans....compared to a, dare I say, mutual like between Russians and Germans? In light of our past that is nothing less but astounding....I wonder why that is!

That was such a good in-depth analysis of global politics. I am glad you didn't go for that NATO nonsense from Russia supporters. Or the 2014 "revolution" that was staged by Putin to justify a war eight years later.


Simple. Being Polish is a defect. When poetry rates higher than reason that's what you get.

@Bratwurst Boy
That's because the Russians conquered Berlin and are not in a rivalry position with Germany right now, they rival Poland with regard to Belarus, Ukraine, Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic etc.

Poland as a state came to existence due to conquests coming out of HRE, and when Poland ignored, was friendly towards Germans/Austrians and Co-operated/trusted. It lead to Poland's partitions.

The louder those voices you mention are heard by Germany's "non-militaristic" action the better for Germany.

PiS is also heavily overestimating Germany's capabilities (which is why they are sour about a lot of things recently, they are probably not buying the argument that Germany doesn't have more modern tanks in reserve) Germans are typically seen as prepared, organised and ready.

It would be too mind blowing for PiS to know the truth lol

Na ja....being partitioned by your neighbours might make it hard, I understand....


.....well, they are not alone with that!

well i would say it was earnt, but fagticus gutmenschen brainwashed bleatings, are the icing on the cake, the straw that broke the polaks back, congratulations u have earnt it! now time to pay the 300 billion in ww2 reparations biatch! and hundreds of billions to ukraine and greece too!

strange feeling for germans, now for once we have the upper hand, and like the teutonic knights we will not hesitate to use the sword...

....what I said! :)

It's no wonder (many not all) Germans tend to ignore that and look to Russia...is it!

For 8 years Poland had a government friendly towards Germany and polls were showing that majority of Poles trusted Merkel more than their own prime minister. And yet, it didn't change the German attitude towards Russia and Putin in any way. So, sorry, but I'm not buying it that it was somehow Poland's fault that Germany looked to Russia...

Wag the dog. watch the movie, without tusk and poland, saliviating every step of germany blow jobs, merkel could not have achieved what she did. this is why i don't understand jon and maf in agitating to replace PiS, well what do u think is going to happen with EU ukraine policy? we will just be following EU/Germany dictats! of course we will shout slava ukraine for public consumption but when push comes to shove in the eu councill we will be lock step with germany, it's so obvious tuskis such an obvious plant.

you know how many billions we have spent to get us free energy independence from germany and russia? all will be blown to ashes.
wake up!

Kayfabe....

let's talk about the future.
back to the future. and what i have been reliably informed.that the ukris will have in their arsenal (drone/ai/swarms) in 23. hah wow they can't even deal with the GMLRS via HIMARS

DOD/CIA always reveals itself in the movies.
youtube.com/watch?v=aYywnZFPe6g

And that's 20 years behind (what they show in moovies)
ruskis have no chance

an article

Orbán's prediction: The West won't win

> b92/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2022&mm=08&dd=19&nav_id=114256

Orban is probably aghast that his idol Putin has made such a dog's breakfast of the special operation

As are Korwin-Mikke, Farage, Salvini, Le Pen and all the other useful idiots he has bankrolled.

One good outcome of this invasion is that people are starting to see through these simplistic cretins

Except in Serbia which seems stuck in the 19th Century

What's funny is some people here want to tout their genius, all the while ignoring facts. Wars of the past have zero impact on the outcome of this war. History lessons from WW2, Vietnam, Korea and middle east adventures concerning the USA have zero influence or relationship with Russia's unprovoked attack. The argument that NATO was too close is for retards, and paranoid fools to make.

The idea that US soldiers would disclose secret information was brought up by who? No one here said anything secret. Details of where the US is located in Poland and what they are doing is not classified. Drive down the road toward the border and you will see US military vehicles every day. Not a secret. Watch trains go buy loaded with military equipment, not a secret. Soldiers talking about what they do, not how they do it, is not classified. But yes, you can learn a lot that isn't in the press. Troop numbers are certainly not accurately reported publicly, but ask anyone who interacts with these men and women and they could tell you a lot.

Frankly I really dont GAF what Bobko and Novi think or do. The history lessons are boring, the stupid equations are nonsensical. Its humorous though how easily provoked and how angry you get when you do the same thing to others all the time. I will take a break for now as it looks like I have some patent research to do ;-)

Looks like Putin's main war ideologue has just been given a horrible opportunity to see what the war actually is for people directly involved in it...

rferl.org/a/daughter-kremlin-idealogue-dugin-killed-car-explosion/31997791.html

... you can die, people whom you love can die, war is a tragedy and not something to be happily "philosophising" about.

Will it stop this deeply disturbed man from fantasizing about conquering independent countries and starting wars in which other people's children die? What this incident proves is something that I mentioned some time ago - this war, apart from the main action on the front, will start resembling what is happening in the Middle East more and more. It will, however, make Israeli-Palestinian conflict look like a kindergarten brawl. Ukrainians are at least as brave as Palestinians but they have incomparably more means to conduct terrorist attacks like the one yesterday.

Maybe, just maybe, this tragic death of Dugin's daughter and co-worker in an explosion that was most likely supposed to kill her father (they decided to switch cars at the last minute) will awaken a spark of reflection in the circles of Russian warmongers and conquest ideologues. I wouldn't hold my breath though... welcome to Palestine on steroids. :(

So far, the reaction from state propagandists like Margarita Simonyan has been «центры принятия решений. центры принятия решений. центры принятия решений.» Translated, it means "centers of decision making" x3. I don't know if this is a signal that the Kremlin is preparing people for these kind of strikes, or if the media people and ideologues just got scared for their asses and demand retaliation.

As we discussed numerous times before, it is very strange where Putin draws the red line re: what needs to happen in order for a strike to be authorized on the Presidential Administration, Rada, SBU, etc. In the past, he said strikes inside Russia would cause this sort of retaliation. Since then, there have been strikes on Belgorod, in Crimea, and now a car bomb under Moscow.

I really wonder what the hell needs to happen for Putin and Shoigu to make the call. If we kill some Ukrainian MPs or Zelensky himself, what's the West gonna do that they haven't already done? A new sanctions package?

Also interesting, is what Ukrainian officials are saying:

Mykhailo Podolyak, a senior adviser to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, denied Kyiv was involved in the attack. "Ukraine has absolutely nothing to do with this, because we are not a criminal state like Russia, or a terrorist one at that," Podolyak told Ukrainian television.

Source: FT

Podolyak should be careful with what he says, lest it emerges that Ukraine did order the attack - and then we will be left scratching our heads at whether Ukraine is a criminal and terrorist state or not.

Yes, it's strange. Perhaps they are still counting on some sort of a deal with Zelenski. If Ukrainians were really to call up to arms the 1 million army they are constantly talking about, then it would be a great asset in Putin's planned conquest of former Soviet "sphere of influence". Maybe they are negotiating something like that? Yes, I know it sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory but one needs to take every possibility into account. Otherwise, Russia not attacking government centres, power plants and other vital infrastructure on a mass scale doesn't make sense. PolAm is right about one thing - this war is unlike any wars before in certain respects.


So, a false flag - like the blowing up of apartment blocks during Chechen wars? Hmm...