Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

Crimea is part of Ukraine - absolutely not comparable. The Russian military there are illegal occupiers (and rapists) and a legitimate target

This seems like an amateur's job - if professionals did it, imho, they would make sure that Dugin would die, not his daughter. It's a pity that it wasn't him who got killed. And now he'll get protection and he'll be more concerned about security.

It's kind of strange though. There was a similar situation with a daughter of a collaborant in territory occupied by Russians - also his daughter got injured, because she also took her father's car, supposedly.

What if this is a RuSSian provocation? o_O


I doubt it. He is deeply disturbed after all. He got a taste of his own sick fantasies though.

See my post #1350 on the previous page. What if the "special operation" was from the very beginning supposed to take over Ukraine and use its army to help Putin conquer his perceived "sphere of influence"? Of course, a lot of things went wrong but maybe they still haven't abandoned their original plan? Think about it - 1 million soldiers, plus Russian operational forces, with tons of artillery - could be a bit difficult to stop if it started rolling westwards. :-/

That's makes some sense, at least a little bit. In my opinion, the fear is more that if we kill the "Churchill of our time", the West will again mobilize with support in form of weapons and money. Now after six months Ukraine has faded from the headlines, and the weapons are slowing to a trickle. However, the outrage caused by killing the ever popular Zelensky might provide Western politicians with another impetus to get deeper involved. Perhaps best to keep him alive until the West begins to see more clearly just who their partner is.


Reports indicate Dugin switched cars at the last minute, so the operation seems to have been planned reasonably well. Chance had saved him.l

It wasn't any attack. It was only"special operation".

Yes, it explains not attacking government centres but why the reluctance to attack power plants, transport or water supply infrastructures? It doesn't make sense... unless... you plan to use them yourself later for further offensive.

Well, that was pretty obvious from the very beginning...

And Simonyan automatically called for attacks against the "decision-making centres" in Kyiv.

So, yeah, it looks fishy...


As I wrote - those could be amateurs... but... I only heard about two instances of car bombs being used, this one included, and in both cases it's somehow always the daughter getting injured/killed because of "chance" and not the person the RuSSians need. Don't you find it strange? It looks suspicious to me.

After all, a young female getting killed in a car bomb looks much worse than some elderly nutcase getting killed instead. It would produce an image in the Russian heads of Ukrainians not only being "Nazis", but also "terrorists". And with the right amount of anger in the society Putin could call for mobilization. After all, it worked for him in case of Chechnya ("terrorists!"). Maybe he thinks it will work this time too.

Or maybe it was a part of internal struggle between the supporters and opponents of continuing the "special operation". Maybe Russian political class is not so united behind Putin after all?

Answer must be simple. We are not Iraqis and Americans that live on different continents. We have to live with these people, and still convince them that we want what's best for them. Depriving them of drinking water and electricity will not make us many friends. Right now, we are observing how internal political problems in Ukraine are emerging, and Zelensky's popularity is decreasing. Doing these things might swing the trends back in Zelensky's favor. Regarding power plants - these cost billions to build. If we manage to take these territories under control, it will be cheaper to use existing infrastructure than to build new ones from scratch.

These are just my personal opinions of why all of this is possible. I don't necessarily subscribe to every point of this logic. The reason - I think these sort of strikes would have meant a shorter war and less suffering in the end, despite increased pain for the population in the short term.

Who knows, it could be... All kinds of things are probably possible in Russia these days, I think... The one you mentioned just being one of them...

However, it is a strange pattern with those daughters getting killed only. I would think that political enemies of Putin would rather get the job done right...

But you will never have Ukraine under your control

Even if you physically have your troops there, they will fill up your decrepit hospitals with limbless teenagers

Making friends ? LOL

I've read she wasn't just a "daughter", she was quite active following in her papa's footsteps....maybe she became a target in her own right?

A sign of an opposition willing to take up arms?

@Bratwurst Boy

More likely an operation by Ukrainian agents inside Russia. Doubt that it would be done by their special forces that had managed to infiltrate Russia, because if captured they would provide a direct link back to Kiev. Instead, probably some local assets that they already had in place were employed - providing a cover of plausible deniability. Procuring explosives or manufacturing crude ones is not difficult.

The purpose was to probably strike close to Putin, since it is well known that him and Dugin are close acquaintances that meet frequently. I doubt Putin would stage a false flag where he kills one of his own friends. There's no shortage of other reasons to strike Ukrainian decision making centers. As far as a false flag designed to whip up national hysteria ahead of a mobilization - this also does not make sense. Dugin is probably better known outside Russia, than inside. For most people his death doesn't mean anything significant, rather it's the aspect of a foreign government killing our citizens on our soil that would cause more upset.

....no possibility of a homegrown anti-gov guerilla at all??? Not even a tiny bit?

@Bratwurst Boy

Nothing is impossible, however I think it is very unlikely.

Putin absolutely would sacrifice one of his own friends - just as Stalin, Lenin and the Tsara would have

In fact Putin would willingly blow up one of his own troll farms and sacrifice you and your coworkers if he thought it would help him

He has no compunction about who dies for his entertainment

I agree, but Dugin is not really a friend. He's apparently far better known outside russia than inside russia.... Galeev seems to think that the daughter was indeed the target because she'd been trying to set herself up as a link between the russian government and european far right movements as well as between interest groups in russia.... that would make her a more obvious target....

I really think Ukraine has better things to do than kill someone with no official power base in moscow when there are much better targets closer to the front....

Unless the nicely barbecued fascist daughter simply got into his car instead of him.

People die all the time in r*SSia; including 82 journalists who criticised Putler.


He's that venal that anything is possible.

One person pointed out he was meeting an "entrepreneur" (in russia that means 'violent criminal') and the MO was very organized crime like....

After tanks and planes, RuSSia is slowing down its production of ships, due to technology embargo.

Good! Let RuSSists produce such ships without Western components:

Cruiser Moscow 2.

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No surprises there. Mafia killings and r*SSia go together like Russian ballet and prostitution.

You're right, I've jest read an article about her and Dugin and she was as f*cked up as her psycho daddy ;/


The thing is, pro-Putin Russians were telling me the same thing about Politkovskaya - that she was better known in the West than in Russia and Putin would have no reason to order her killing. And yet, she was deemed important enough to be assassinated. Some were saying that her killing was Kadyrov's "birthday present" for Putin. So I guess all kind of f*cked up stuff can be going on in Russia...


According to this article there are voices coming from Russia that Dugin was the target possibly because of the internal conflict in Putin's party:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/jest-ustami-putina-mowi-co-wladca-rosji-jedynie-sugeruje-6803835344521920a

Dugin was called in Russia "contemporary Rasputin" (I remember a Russian friend from Moscow making such comparison too) and just as Rasputin was killed on the order of Russian aristocracy for talking the tsar into going to war that Russia started losing, in the same way Dugin would be "removed" for being the ideologist behind the invasion of Ukraine.

I'm guessing it's just a theory though.

but was he? A few different places I've read that he's really not well-known in russia but that he's been good at publicizing himself outside of russia (and his super-villain looks and demeanor play into that).

AFAICT the real architect of putain's foreign policy was Surkov who is (still?) under house arrest?

@mafketis, no idea, all I can tell you is that I think he came up during our Polish-Russian discussions...


Really? Why is he under that house arrest?

Something interesting about that louse Dugin.

He wrote an article that mentions fathers sacrificing their daughters to appease deities.

Coincidence?

arcto.ru/article/1655

@jon357, wow, that would be f*cked up...



It is weird that he was photographed (or filmed?) at the site of the car explosion with the car still burning though...

Now that I'm thinking about it... If it was Surkov who was really the main ideologist behind Putin's foreign policy and Dugin was just good at advertising himself abroad then it would make no sense for Ukrainians to kill him (or his daughter, I guess). I'm sure Ukrainian intelligence knows Russia through and through - they have a vested interest in this.


True... Hmm... 🤔

It is very weird, and there is much that's weird about him and about r*SSia at the moment. Odd that they changed cars at the last minute too, and odd how quickly the orc government blamed it on Ukraine before evidence had been collected or analysed.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Putler is behind this. Not a false flag as such; in fact the opposite.

Putler and his gang need to silence those who are warmongering the most and want r*SSia to accomplish far more than it is capable of. He knows that the war in Ukraine has failed and that r*SSia is going to weaken to the point of collapse if his illegal and unprovoked invasion continues and continues to be met with the level of resistance that it is now. The r*SSian economy (despite their lying statistics) has tanked and r*SSia is on a very obvious downward path.

Putler needs a way out of the mess. The deranged ultra-nationalists who are lambasting Russia for not being more aggressive (like Dugina and Dugin) are in the way of his ending the mess and mitigating the damage he has caused to his country

Speaking of which, apparently "Strelkov" was detained in Crimea when he was travelling to the war in Ukraine with forged documents:

pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/13/7363157/

Supposedly, by some sources, Zelenski gets 100 mil. US dollars for every month of war prolonged and house waits for him in California.

Actor plays the role of his life. Literally.