Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

Reading some people here I came to a crucial question. How much Poles support Poland`s situation. Involvement of Poland in things where Poland is involved.

Maybe Poles don`t like NATO, EU. Maybe they don`t like Vatican. But Poland is there.

There were elections in Poland, parliamentary and presidential. People voted. How mass media influenced people. Were elections truly truly free?

Is Poland under occupation? Not?

Probably like NATO (anti-russian insurance) better than the EU at the moment.

but as people have told you for years, there's no political support for joining either srbija or russia on one of their genocidal crusades...

Take the hint and stop spamming us here...

In this case, the old adage applies, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."

Photo of a typical father's reaction after he authorizes his daughter's assassination:

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Since 24 Feb you have been trying to spread ferment and animosities between Poles and their European as well as Ukrainian partners/friends.

It has taken you 6 months to realise that Poles will NEVER accept RuSSist imperial obsessions. NEVER.

That desperate question you asked proves you probably understood that your hopes for the emergence of the Polish RuSSian alliance have been ruined. Poles will not unite with RuSSists and they won`t help nationalist Serbs in regaining Kosovo.

I pity you coz it must be a horrible disappointment for you.


No, Poles love NATO and I don`t think it will change in the nearest future as long as RuSSia is RuSSia.


No, not yet. But we stick to NATO to avoid RuSSist occupation.

Question is serious.

Polish people an masse support sovereignty of Serbia. Poles proved it in many occasions. Demonstrations. Go just google and youtube that.

Most Poles knows that Serbs aren`t genocidal but that Vatican, Germany and NATO committed genocide on Serbs.

Still, Poles are in NATO. Obey to Vatican.

How is this possible????

You people say Poland is exactly where Poles want Poland to be?

Yes!!!! Poles consider themselves Europeans and as such they reject Mongol barbarians and anybody who is allied with them. .

looks a bit over-dramatic.... I don't know and don't especially care...

it's not my idea originally and I wouldn't have thought of it... but a lot of people who know the political and cultural milieu don't dismiss the idea, so that says something....

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there's more out there, but... you get the idea

Dugin has commented on his daughter's murder for the first time. Rough translation by yours truly:

"Они хотели подавить нашу волю кровавым террором против самых лучших и самых уязвимых из нас. Но они своего не добьются. Наши сердца жаждут не просто мести или возмездия. Это слишком мелко, не по-русски. Нам нужна только наша победа. На ее алтарь положила свою девичью жизнь моя дочь. Так победите, пожалуйста."

"They wanted to break our will through bloody terror against the best and most vulnerable of us. But they will not achieve their aims. Our hearts cry out not just for vengeance or retribution. This is too petty, this is not Russian. All we need is our victory. At this altar of victory my girl laid her fragile female life. So then win, please."

Source: m24.ru/news/proisshestviya/22082022/493349

They support German genocide on Serbs? They approve Vatican`s genocide on Serbs? They agree to NATO actions against Serbs? They support EU`s doing against Serbs?

That is Poland?

Actually, you are talking about things which took place some time ago and are no more. Currently we are preoccupied with the RuSSist invasion of Ukraine.

Yes, a majority of Poles support all that!

And was caught and jailed.


Instead, an innocent lady was killed.

And don't assume that your putrid country's incompetent FSB isn't riddled with western assets. Not just the famous ones who believed in freedom and decency (i.e. not genocidal r*SSia), but maybe many many more. Certainly, enough of their 'secrets' are leaked.

r*SSians are essentially wh0res who will do anything for personal profit.


He wishes.

It's the one thing that r*SSia will never have.

@jon357

Russia has already lost the war in Ukraine.
If it goes on much longer. Russia will be so humiliated that they may never recover.
Russians need to grasp reality and pull out.....they will never do that, because they are too proud and so will continue to be embarrassed by the superiority of The Ukrainians.

Indeed.

And despite their fictional economic data, their economy is completely trashed.

Bollox.
Russia is about to do that due to Russian ignorance and incompetence.
Russia has completely f***ed itself.
All by itself......with no help from any other idiots like,for example, Serbs......

Well, I've watched it. I had problems with understanding what he's saying before that quote - he's talking fast and it seems rather chaotic. From what I understood he was calling for an armed uprising in the whole of Ukraine, not only in the East and the South of Ukraine (?). Later he's saying something that I don't understand. And then he said what was quoted: "I think - kill, kill and kill. There should be no more talks/negotiations. This is my opinion as a professor." In this moment the guy who is interviewing him interrupts him.

It doesn't make Dugin look good. He sounds like a warmonger in this video (as far as I could understand what he was saying).

So, who is supposed to be "killed, killed and killed", according to Dugin? Which Ukrainians exactly? Because he doesn't seem to be specific about it. Kill who exactly?


Wow, that was fast. He sounds very coherent and eloquent for someone who lost his daughter just two days ago. I'd be broken with grief. There was not even a funeral yet and he already made an inspirational speech! lol


Jesus, this sounds as if literally taken out of that article Dugin wrote about fathers sacrificing their children...

Very much so.He sounds like he was glad that it was not him......read into that whatever you want.....


Bastards like this deserve to die a horrible death.....

Interesting now that the Washington Post is reporting all of the Putinite cheerleaders for the war in Ukraine are now fearing for their own safety. LMAO Yeah, well when you promote war, and promote the killing of more innocent people, maybe you are not so innocent and you need to be killed to. Strange how that happens isnt it?

But for a minute lets assume this woman was not the target. Lets assume that the father was. And lets assume some Ukraine woman actually detonated the bomb remotely and then drove the 12 hours to escape Russia even after the Russian security services was tailing her for three days. Doesn't this point out how inept Russian security services are, or how bad they are at their own border control? How does an alleged Ukraine female agent detonate a bomb remotely if the Russians were already watching here? Baffling isnt it?

Meanwhile, another ammo dump went up in flames and smoke taking more away from the Russians who are already running low on ammo. The US latest package of military aid more than suggests a ground counter offensive is coming which includes a number of armored demining military transports. Combined with the other weapons in this package experts are saying the next six weeks are going to be bloody for Russia. Happy gulag biatches!

The more evidence they come up with that he wasn't involved.... just make me more suspicious that he was....

You and Paulina are reading way too much into a text.


Seriously. How do you know how you would react? Different people react in different ways. This guy and his daughter (presumably growing up in his shadow), had spent his entire life dedicated to philosophizing on the topic of Russian statehood. Is it so preposterous that he would couch his first response in those same prosaic terms, even amidst terrible grief? If some American politician said this, no one would bat an eye.

If anyone's interested, I apparently missed a good chunk of his comments, because they weren't published in their entirety in the original article I read.

Here's the rest:


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The other parts I missed, translated, say:

"As you all know, as a result of a terrorist act, perpetrated by the Nazi Ukrainian regime, on the 20th of August while returning from the 'Tradition' festival in suburban Moscow, my daughter Daria Dugina was brutally murdered in an explosion. She was a wonderful Orthodox girl, a patriot, a war correspondent, an expert popular on federal tv channels, and a philosopher. Her appearances (on TV) and reportages were always deep, substantiated and restrained. She never called for violence or war.

She was a rising star in the very beginning of her journey. The enemies of Russia killed her, dishonorably and on the sly... But you cannot break us, our people, even with such unbearable blows. *here comes the part I already translated*

We wanted to raise her to be bright as well as a hero. So even now, let her memory inspire the sons of our Fatherland to yet more heroic feats. The public funeral service for Daria Dugina will be held at the Ostankino TV Tower at 10 AM on August 23rd."

mebbe..... again, it's not a theory I would have come up with myself, but once it was raised.... I honestly haven't seen anything that looks like real counter-evidence... I'm still not convinced, but.... waiting for counter-evidence so it's still in my "maybe this happened" file....

At first I thought he might well be the target but again, better analysts than me dismiss that out of hand and almost uniformly point to FSB (and no one takes the Vovk story seriously unless she was working with FSB herself....).

Ultimately I don't care, nasty people do nasty things and my priority is for russia to stop its military aggression against the sovereign nation of Ukraine. As long as they do that I really don't have the slightest concern for what happens to russians in russia....

Bobko - do you believe the official story about the Nazi Ukrainian housewife driving to the border in about the most memorable car you would see on Russian roads ?

Lol what are you talking about. There's probably 10x Mini Coopers in Russia than there are in Poland. Russia was one of the biggest markets for BMW (owner of mini), and it also manufactured cars there until March of this year.

Luckily, he didn't have to do all the philosophising himself, as he relied heavily on the work of Nazi philosophers of Lebensraum (from Fichte to Haushofer). You could say he was always "standing on the shoulders of giants" of nazi philosophy. One of his statements on education, for example...

Геополитика бесценное подспорье в вопросах образования (...) eе структура такова, что именно она могла бы стать осевой дисциплиной на новом этапе развития школы [1]

...is taken almost verbatim from a 1933 article of Arbeitsgemeinschaft für Geopolitik (an NSDAP organ) [2]. The guy is as nazi in his thinking about geopoltics as it gets. If anyone is interested, there is a book from Jagielonnian University Press [3] about, among other things, the connection of Dugin's approach to Russkiy Mir and nazi idea of Lebensraum; let me just say that the guy borrowed heavily from his nazi idols.

Sources*:

[1] А. Дугин, Основы геополитики. Геополитическое будущее России. Мыслить пространством, Москва 2000
[2] A. Wolff -Powęska, Doktryna geopolityki w Niemczech, Poznań 1979
[3] Bartosz Gołąbek, Lew Gumilow i Aleksander Dugin. O dwóch obliczach eurazjatyzmu w Rosji po 1991 roku., Kraków 2012

* Crow, are you paying attention?

Complete lies from the troll farm

No mention of Russia here

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And the reasons are obvious, the few people who could afford them are the people who thieved money from the Russian people. The rest of you paupers are making do with a Lada or getting Vanya and Kostya to fix your cartwheels in exchange for 300 grams of Cuban coffee.

@GefreiterKania

He does borrow a lot from Nazi thought. Also, he thinks Nazi Germany was a good ally to have...

Quote from article:

In Dugin's worldview, the continental countries of the Eurasian landmass, centred on Russia, are naturally opposed to the maritime world led by the US and, before that, by the British. Dugin has praised the Nazi philosopher Carl Schmitt for his "clear understanding of the 'enemy' facing Europe, Russia and Asia that is the United States along with its . . . island ally, England".

The only thing I can really say in his defense, is that his Nazism was not/is not racial in nature, unlike the historical one. It's just more in the vein of traditional Russian anti-Anglo attitudes.

Again, I think him and his monarchist friends are idiots. It's concerning that he's allegedly so close to the president. On the other hand, it doesn't seem he has THAT much influence, since he got fired from Moscow State University in 2014 for his remarks and was never reinstated. One would presume that if Putin wanted to, he could get involved and get him reappointed. I hope Putin is using him cynically, without buying into his ideology too much.

There's other evidence Putin is wary of these Russian nationalists/monarchists, such as his approach to Girkin - the hero of the first phase of the Donbas war, who almost single-handedly created the LDNR. Now the guy is persona non grata, and most recently was not even allowed to cross the border into Ukraine to join the fighting. To be fair though, Girkin seems to love pouring sh!t on Putin during his daily broadcasts, for not going far enough in 2014 when there was a chance to quickly roll over all of Ukraine without today's enormous losses.

These nationalists are a ticking bomb under Russia with their chauvinist Great Russian ideas. We are a diverse multiethnic, multi confessional country - and if they have their way it will be the beginning of the end of Russia. In the past, Putin said many times that anybody who says "Russia is for Russians" is a «придурок» (moron). Recently he's been kind of quiet on that subject. Maybe he is just trying to keep them in reins by throwing them some meat occasionally.


Yes, so few people could afford them that BMW decided to open a plant in Russia to produce the BMW 5 series and X5. Keep reading websites called best-selling-cars.com

Here's a nice place to start:

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Like the First Rzeczpospolita (only with less freedom)...


Exactly. What Dugin and his nasty faction dream of doing to Russia is an abomination. It's like trying to impose national socialism on the 1st Rzeczpospolita. The horror! I too hope that, as you said, Putin is not too much enamoured with him, and that pragmatism will win in the end (which means peace in Ukraine).

Mhmm. They are also clowns. They want - at least - a constitutional monarchy in Russia, but better a real monarchy. As if we don't have more important things to focus on in Russia. They idolize the nincompoop Grand Duke George Mikhailovich of Russia (fake title, of a fake Romanov), and engage in ridiculous pageantry that makes them, and all of us by association, look like clowns. They don't care that this family nearly destroyed Russia, and abandoned us when we relied on them most. The guy speaks Russian like an Azerbaijani watermelon salesman at the bazaar, and has a knowledge of Russia's history on the level of a 5th grader.

Recently, these assh0les managed to convince municipal authorities in St. Petersburg to use the St. Isaacs Cathedral (a museum now, and not an active church) for the Grand Duke's wedding. Also, they somehow managed to have the state honor guard be present (at least Putin started a criminal investigation over this).

I hate, hate, hate these assh0les and all other costumed freaks (cossacks, national bolsheviks, warrior monks, etc). Also, his wife is ugly.

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They have an assembly plant with a Russian partner in Kaliningrad - the only way for them to enter your corrupt market and supply the thieving oligarchs. It is closed now and I hope it will never reopen

And hey ? Whadyaknow ? Scholz decided that restrictions on Kaliningrad were a bad thing because it would affect ordinary Russians.

A town by the way that is named after a Commie mass murderer, a signatory for the Katyn massacre.

How does it feel when you are standing on the pavement after a hard day at the troll farm and one of those thieving bossmen splashes your nylon trousers with his BMW on the way to give his mistress another tasteless handbag ?

@cms neuf

According to Google, BMW sold 16-20,000 cars in Poland, on average, over the last 4-5 years - making it the most popular luxury brand in the country. Also according to Google, BMW sold on average 40,000 units in Russia, where it is behind Mercedes Benz in popularity.

How many oligarchs do you think we have in Russia?