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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3



Novichok
28 Aug 2022  #1741

Russia is losing this war.
Get used to it.

What's the basis and what are the numbers to claim "losing this war"? By your own definition, was the US winning or losing in Afghanistan or Vietnam?

Crnogorac3
28 Aug 2022  #1742

Ukraine and the Ukrainian people are fully committed to victory.

t.me/denazi_UA/19343

Ukrainian citizens caught swimming across the Tisza river. You can see that they can't wait to fight and die for Zelensky and Soros.

Tacitus
28 Aug 2022  #1743

It's surprising you need to ask

Just wanted to make sure that the misunderstanding was on your part. Membership in NATO is not tied to spending a certain amount of money on the military and never has been.

The pledge of the Wales summit is completely voluntarily and only says that countries should aim for 2% spending, not that they have to fullfill it.

Velund
29 Aug 2022  #1744

LOL When Kazakhstan embargoes Russia, Ruskies will not have land route to China.

Hey, debilko... Maps is invented centuries ago. And some (not baboon students, though) sometime look there before saying something not very stupid. But polish education system in natural sciences looks degraded to US level already, so...

jon357
29 Aug 2022  #1745

misunderstanding was on your part.

It's on yours. The 2% minimum is something that NATO members agreed to.

Germany has been freeloading.

Then again, their government is riddled with r*SSian assets and they care more about has from r*SSia than people's freedom.

They should lose full membership of NATO since they give no benefit to the alliance.

PolAmKrakow
29 Aug 2022  #1746

As such, just like our "police actions", is destined to be a loser

Now that is a statement that makes sense. The only way to capture Ukraine or more territory is to overwhelm them with numbers of men. Right now the front is not moving because of the nuclear plant being the real front. If something happens to that plant, the entire war changes. The map of fallout from that plant if we have another Chernobyl extends well into Russia.

"The Russians have reached 20 km from Nikolaev"

And the last time they did this they got turned into worm food. So the worm population is waiting for more. The Orc roast will continue until ever last one of them is dead or running home to the motherland. And no one want to live in Russia. What do you have to look forward to? Meat coupons? Rock soup? Happy gulag biatches!

jon357
29 Aug 2022  #1747

overwhelm them with numbers of men.

The one thing they haven't got with 90,000 either dead or permanently out of action.

The Orc roast will continue

Kherson next. The orc supply lines to the are being destroyed and Ukraine is managing artillery to liberate it.

has

Typo. Should be .

Nordstream one must be permanently dismantled. No has from r*SSia.

cms neuf
29 Aug 2022  #1748

Exactly - the outcome from this war must be that no country can be blackmailed by the murderers gas supply.

We either get blackmailed this winter or every winter.

There should be three prongs - using less, developing alternative supplies of gas and developing alternative energy

Don't buy from Nazi states

PolAmKrakow
29 Aug 2022  #1749

Putin is looking for a way out IMO. He cant fully mobilize because that would be an admission of failure of the special operation. He has already announced a plan to recruit more than 100K in men for the military because he is approaching 100K in men killed or wounded in Ukraine. Attacks going on inside of Russia everywhere, and just now another Putin ally has been whacked by what looks like poisoning. Attacks in Crimea. All the bodies left to rot in Ukraine, and a lot of parents asking questions.

On top of that, common goods Russians wanted are no longer available. Extreme inflation. Travel limitations. And a whole host of other issues being dealt with by the average Russian are not going to be easy to continue to control. As winter comes Russians will really begin to question things. If we get to a year mark with out a settlement, then its likely this will drag on for years.

On another note, I have to question why Ukraine has not put together enough manpower to over run the Russians. The weapons are there. A half million men and this would be over. In a country this large it is a question that needs to be answered. My personal observation of a lot of Ukraine men of fighting age in Krakow makes me wonder why and how they got here. With no families in tow, and no wedding rings on their fingers, it is strange.

Kashub1410
29 Aug 2022  #1750

@PolAmKrakow
Just as Syria, Iraq and other areas show that not all men feel connected to the group identity of the country.

There are many men, who see it only as a Zelensky vs Putin fight. Not as a Ukraine vs Russia fight (both in Russia and in Ukraine) so those peeps will try and look for better future and not be dragged in to a conflict they don't feel attached to.

Not everyone is patriotic

mafketis
29 Aug 2022  #1751

a lot of parents asking questions.

Sadly they're mostly asking where their new car is...

PolAmKrakow
29 Aug 2022  #1752

@Kashub1410
Thats a great point. For me, if someone is attacking my home, my family, it is not about my country, it is about my home. Leaders come and go. I can not imagine not defending my home when if I do not defend it, I may never see it again. Those men with families I understand them leaving. I just wonder with so many millions of men at a fighting age, why cant they find a half million? If it were Poland millions would be armed within days. Old men in wheelchairs would be shooting from rooftops.

Kashub1410
29 Aug 2022  #1753

@PolAmKrakow
Well Poland is Poland for a reason <3

Tacitus
29 Aug 2022  #1754

The 2% minimum is something that NATO members agreed to

Like I said, it is something the members agreed on trying to reach, not a binding condition. Most countries do not spend 2% and many of them spend less than Germany does.

since they give no benefit to the alliance.

Nonsense. Germany has been contributing massively to NATO, including troops in Afghanistan and the Baltic states. It is a crucial logistic hub, without which trying to defend Eastern Europe would be impossible. Only the USA leaving would be a bigger blow to NATO's capabilities.

mafketis
29 Aug 2022  #1755

Germany has been contributing massively to NATO

and to.... russia....

twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1563957489732919303

Tacitus
29 Aug 2022  #1756

and to.... russia

Yeah, those contributions are clearly comparable!

johnny reb
29 Aug 2022  #1757

Over the week-end here in Michigan we had the biggest Polish Festival in the State with well over 10,000 people attending.
They announced that all profits $$$ will be sent to aid Ukraine.
You have to love the generous Polish/Americans for helping out their old country neighbors.

cms neuf
29 Aug 2022  #1758

Good stuff Johnny - unlike Russist Nazis in Illinois the Michigan Poles know right from wrong.

Counter offensive started in Kherson - time for the rapists to pack their bags and go home

mafketis
29 Aug 2022  #1759

meanwhile many parents in 20 different regions of russia (about a quarter of them) can't afford to send their children to school because the government is less interested in education than in killing Ukrainian civilians...

morally bankrupt... doesn't even begin to describe russia.....

theins.ru/en/news/254495

Novichok
29 Aug 2022  #1760

because the government is less interested in education than in killing Ukrainian civilians...

Can you post the policy statement you are quoting from?

pawian
29 Aug 2022  #1761

How's that counteroffensive you loved to post about at least 10 times a week? Still trust your "authoritative" news sources? Dumba$$.

And The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
The Ukrainian counteroffensive which you longed for has begun.

Good luck, heroes. Get rid of barbaric orcs from your lands.
RuSSists, you`d better run away if you want to stay alive. It is your only chance. If your officers threaten you with military court or even execution, kill them on the spot and run!

time for the rapists to pack their bags and go home

Or cemeteries all over RuSSia.

Novichok
29 Aug 2022  #1762

BTW, how is life in Mariupol? I mean in numbers, not adjectives. Like how many Us did Rs execute, thrown in prison, or sent to Siberia? What's the unemployment rate now as compared a year ago? Again, numbers, not adjectives.

Or is Mariupol back under Z?

Cojestdocholery
29 Aug 2022  #1763

Who is the biggest net

Who is the biggest benefactor of the EU? huh? Ommiting this part all the time. It wouldn't be even an issue if not for the fact that Germany use political means to undercut a fair competition, only German capital is allowed to flourish in the EU.

US military welfare recipients

stop whining. it get old, your ass would be dead broke even if it wasn't the case.

Alien
29 Aug 2022  #1764

Ha,ha, they run away so fast that you can't even see any of them on PF now.✌

pawian
29 Aug 2022  #1765

Again, numbers, not adjectives.

Your obsession with numbers verges on madness. :):)

BTW, how is life in Mariupol?

Like shyt. Residents catch pidgeons to have enough nutrition.

Novichok
29 Aug 2022  #1766

your ass would be dead broke even if it wasn't the case.

Can you connect those dots for me? No metaphors, please.

From RT.com:

Europe faces terrible winters for the next 5 to 10 years without a gas price cap, minister warns
Russia - which supplied roughly 40% of the EU's gas last year - has drastically reduced flows to Europe in recent weeks.

Europe should be ecstatic. Less gas bought, less money for the barbarians, more money for the illegals. Hahahahahahaha...

cms neuf
29 Aug 2022  #1767

From RT.com

The sad news Rich is that you will never get to work there - I know they have better coffee and aircon for two weeks in July but pluk jobs like that only go to the top connected bootlickers. It"# the basement for you - and I hope you are finding some way to convert those rubles into proper currency.

For the last time - we will manage without your gas and it won't take 5 years to replace it. Norway, the USA, Algeria, Canada and lots of other sources.

pawian
29 Aug 2022  #1768

has drastically reduced flows to Europe in recent weeks.

And that`s a perfect situation coz Europe will survive without RuSSist gas this way or another. While RuSSists won`t survive without European clients. Do you know that the EU will soon introduce the maximum price for RuSSist gas??? Now it costs 3000, RuSSist propaganda is warning about 4000 in December while the EU will set the price at 1000. How do you like it???? hahahaha

we will manage without your gas Norway, the USA, Algeria, Canada and lots of other sources.

Of course. I have just read Algeria is going to double its gas export to France.

RuSSists are shooting themselves not only in their feet and knees but also heads. Perfect!!!! hahahahaha

Novichok
29 Aug 2022  #1769

The sad news Rich is that you will never get to work there

Ooops...I am so sorry. It was from CNBC.
cnbc.com/2022/08/29/europe-faces-terrible-winters-without-gas-price-cap-minister-warns.html

we will manage without your gas and it won't take 5 years to replace it.

Of course, you will ... for a lot more wampum that poor Eurons just don't have. You do have poor people in Europe or, like here, is everybody a millionaire?

This, children, is an example of what "self-inflicted" means and how it feels.

BTW, I am relieved that you, PF geniuses, know more than CNBC and its sources.

pawian
29 Aug 2022  #1770

Yes, darling coz we live here while CNBC doesn`t. hahahahaha


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