Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

To be more precise - UN High Commissioner for Human Rights assessed that 90% of residential buildings and up to 60% of private houses in Mariupol have been damaged or destroyed. Around 350,000 people were forced to leave the city.

So, Novichok, what do you think life is like right now in Mariupol?

Not very pleasant.
You do realize that but for the Western "go get them" it was all avoidable. I know that you Russia-hating Poles are desperate to make Putin into Hitler and Russians into Wehrmacht and SS to justify resisting and dying. No, Crimea is not Auschwitz. Actually, it's probably better than Detroit.

Russia and the US are not natural enemies and that's all that matters so you can ease off on hate and rhetoric.

And is it so hard to understand that if someone attacks your country, your home etc you may want to fight? According to your logic any attacked country should just roll over.

To put it mildly.

Also, according to the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights all hospitals in Mariupol able to receive injured civilians were damaged or destroyed, including the childcare departments of Mariupol hospital No 3.


Yes, it would be perfectly avoidable if RuSSia didn't decide to invade people, kill them and destroy their homes "for their own good".

Like the French in WW2 to save lives and Paris? Yes.

How many Crimeans were executed or sent to "gulags" after 2014? How about that as a clue how "evil" Putin and Russia are. Duh!

Mariupol is Crimea 2.0 - minus referendum.

In Detroit you can say what you like

In Detroit anybody can start and own a successful business

In Detroit you don't need to pay bribes to get something done

In Detroit there is some great food

And in Detroit they make some cars that actually function instead of your clapped out old Moskvitch

Plus Motown, Detroit Techno and Eminem

Not very realistic type of thinking, is it. If RuSSia was attacked by NATO I doubt it would just roll over either, but Novichok seems to overlook that small detail :)


No, it isn't. 90% of residential buildings and up to 60% of private houses in Mariupol have been damaged or destroyed. All hospitals in Mariupol able to receive injured civilians were damaged or destroyed, including the childcare departments of Mariupol hospital No 3.

But, who knows, if this war goes on maybe Crimea will look like Mariupol 2.0...

The probability of that is the same as Moscow looking like Mariupol. Zero. You do know that there are plenty of good targets Russia deliberately left standing...and Z-hole knows it.

@Novichok

Rich, serious question....if Russia would be attacked by NATO to end Putin's regime, would you advise them also just to roll over, to save lives?

I would tell them that they have two choices: 1. To become another woke sh*itholes where men can be pregnant, LGBTs are normal, illegals are an assset and be US bit*ches like Poland or 2. Nuke the fu*ck out of Western Europe's non-nuclear states after sending an email to Washington that the US is NOT a target.

Aha....also NOT! Interesting....

Hey, at least I answered your question directly and honestly.

....and I appreciate that greatly! A honest guy! 👍

That's not what we asked you about. You keep telling us that Ukraine should surrender to RuSSia to save lives.

So, my question was and still is - would you give the same advice to RuSSia?

If RuSSia was attacked by NATO, would you tell Putin/RuSSians to just roll over and give up their country to NATO in order to save lives or not?

"Yes/No" answer, please.

I sympathize with your woman's outlook on current affairs (I say this with great respect for your sex).

Have you ever heard the Latin proverb, "quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi"? Literally translated, it means: "what is permitted of Jupiter is not permitted of a bull."

As Russians, we struggle ourselves with this double standard in modern global affairs. Why does America do the same things as us, and does not get sanctioned like we do? The answer we receive is along the lines of that Latin proverb. In essence - don't compare yourself to the USA, because they are incomparably stronger.

So, while we are weaker than the USA, we are still stronger than most any other country (China has overtaken us economically, but not yet militarily). The same rules do not apply to us, as apply to Ukraine. Unlike Ukraine, we can take all 7 billion people of this planet together with us to hell. That is why your question is senseless.

Life is unfair, and the world is run by the strong. The liberal order is fragile, and built on contradictions.

@Bobko, no, my question isn't senseless. I didn't ask Novichok what he would advise for Putin/RuSSia to do in case Ukraine attacked RuSSia. I asked Novichok what he would advise for Putin/RuSSia to do in case RuSSia was attacked by NATO, precisely because NATO is stronger than RuSSia, just like RuSSia is stronger than Ukraine. So my question is logical and makes perfect sense.

...you know that they can mobilize a gazillion soldiers? They could overwhelm you just with mass...abit like ants...

@Paulina

I understood your question correctly. I was not answering for a hypothetical scenario of Ukraine attacking us, but re: a hypothetical NATO attack.

We can lose a conventional war, where our ground forces, Air Force, and navy are all destroyed - and we could still destroy the world ten times over.

It would not make sense to surrender, when we possess the capability to annihilate the enemy. A world without Russia, is a world not worth living in.

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@Bobko, and what if NATO managed to, hypothetically, take out your silos, submarines, etc. with nukes first and all that would be left for you was conventional warfare?

Well Bobko, your days may be numbered here.
Putin's ally wants to add 500,000 Soldiers to Ukraine Battlefield
A Russian politician supportive of Putin reportedly supports a draft that would add an extra 300,000 to 500,000 troops to the ongoing conflict in Ukraine as Russia looks to bolster its manpower.

Post when you can Bobko to let us know you are nor cannon fodder......... yet.

Well that would suck, wouldn't it :)

Chances of that happening are very low. Subs have been returned to constant patrol in the early 2000s (always a few in the Atlantic and Arctic). Strategic bombers, have also been returned to routine patrolling. Mobile, wheel-based ICBMs are constantly cruising around the forests of Siberia. Rail-based ICBMs go back and forth across the country in camouflaged trains.

Silos are perhaps the thing most easy to take out, since their locations are all known. The rest would demand some kind of unprecedented penetration of our armed forces by Western spies.

You know all these hypotheticals were discussed for decades in a little thing called the Cold War. Smarter people than me and you came to the conclusion that there could be no winner in such a war. What can small people like you and I discuss further?

The US and its allies are getting close to a price cap on Russian oil - which could slash Moscow's revenues yet send crude soaring.

EXCELLENT, my oil stocks will sky rocket !

You what? We beat russgolia 1 on 1 last time you tried it solo and it was bigger and stronger then.

We fought a massive uprising every 30 years while partitioned, losing them all and never learning to stop. We never stopped fighting Germans, 4th biggest allied army even after we got occupied and thats not counting 300k strong underground army.

We revolted against commies fighting from 1945 to 50s (last anti commie partisan died in 1963) plus revolts in 1956 and 1968 and 1970 and 1980 and all 80s.

If there is one fu*cking thing we are good at is never giving up and fighting.

Listen, I told Paw and Gefreiter many times - I respect you Poles. I'm not the guy that will make jokes about Poles attacking tanks with cavalry. As a Russian, there is a very hard-to-resist aspect to Polishness that we cannot help ourselves but admire. You are tough fighters - we understand this better than most. Just as we don't enjoy fighting Ukrainians now (French would have given up long ago), I'm sure we would be absolutely miserable fighting the Poles.

At the same time, I have never seen a recognition from you Poles or Ukrainians that Russians can also fight like beasts. Not fair, IMHO.

No. Actually, hell no! Russia survived worse and would be victorious this time as well. The world needs Russia and China as the other pole or else the Western globalist sh*it would spread like a bad fart in a small room.

Aside from the fact that Russia is not a threat to NATO aka the US, why would the US want to attack Russia? To practice? And let's not forget the record of Western successes - like in Vietnam and Afghanistan. With that record, I would leave Russia alone.

Back to my math...If the US and its metoo who*res had a reason X to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, Russia 100*X to invade Ukraine.

Now we can discuss what if the US claimed Moon as the 51st state. We were there first...you know.


If "we" means Poland, you did sh*it. You are free now because the USSR fell apart and the US gave it the last push.

@Bobko
Plenty of recognition for Russian soldiers fighting skilled when motivated. Not much recognition to red army, politruks, commissars or NKVD.

T-34 tank crewmen, airforce or battle prowess of Russian soldier on the other hand, very few able to handle. Mostly when Russia is in danger and in face of tyrannical oppressive enemies.

You cannot say you respect our fighting abilities, and at the same time dismiss the Red Army, in which millions of Russians served and died. In my family alone, I have 8 family members that fought in that war, with only 3 returning home (two maimed). The ones that died, includes both my great-grandads, two of their brothers, and my grandad's older brother. If I included third and fourth cousins it would be even more people.

On my paternal grandmother's side, my great grandpa died 40KM east of Warsaw (burned alive in a tank). On my paternal grandfather's side my great grandad died two weeks short of the end of the war, somewhere west of the Oder (we still don't know how he died). In the end, these are the initial reasons for my joining this forum. I wanted to see if Poles feel grateful for the blood we spilled.

Don't talk about things you don't understand.

@Bobko
When I say red army, I mean it's ideological basis (it's red, not white for a reason) it's not about the people working in it

The sacrifices people made is a completely other story!

Just like ww1 German soldiers honour and discipline can be positively seen, doesn't change my sentiment about their kaiser leader

Ok.

I don't know if we are grateful. I certainly respect the sacrificed lives of young Red Army soldiers and always put some candles on their graves on 1st Nov (as I do with German graves).

But they looted and burned our family farm, murdered one uncle and deported another. Gratitude is probably not the right word, but in any case they are people I never knew. Most Polish families have a similar level of war dead as your ancestors do.

What I hate about the current situation is that after years of peace they want to bring that level of 1940s barbarism back into Europe, just as the Serbs did in the 90s.