Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

Permanently seal off NS1 and 2 as well as any pipelines.

Ban any imports/exports and trade with r*SSia and r*SSian owned entities.

Sanction companies who continue to do business with them .

Hard in the short term, better in the long term

Again you show your ignorance.
They will last as long as 5 to 25 years if you keep them in a cool place.
The cheese and crackers are great.


Why do you say that when you have never had one ?
Again you show your ignorance.


You must have missed Nam then.
They were called C-rations is Nam and the spaghetti and meatballs were the favorite with the LURP's.
Actually very good if the truth be known.

Putler's fired another general after yet more disasters in Kharkiv and Donbas. Lieutenant General Roman Berdnikov, only in post for 2 weeks.

Meanwhile, now Izyum has been liberated, the r*SSian crimes there are coming to light. At least 1000 civilians murdered in cold blood and 80% of infrastructure (including the city's heating system) deliberately destroyed.

The orcs just murder, loot rape and destroy wherever they go. No wonder the Ukrainians are so determined to get them out of their country.

The Russian army, with the help of "Iskander" rockets, destroyed the electrical infrastructure, substations and power plants in:

▪️Poltavska region
▪️Sumskaya region
▪️Kharkov region
▪️Dnepropetrovsk region
▪️Odessa region
▪️Zaporozhskaya region

The cities of Kiev, Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk were left without electricity, public transport except buses stopped working, there is no light. The nuclear power plants in Khmelnytskyi and South Ukraine have started to turn off their units for safety reasons because they cannot deliver electricity due to the destroyed transmission lines. This is probably a response to the insolence of the Kiev regime.

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What was that for heaven's sake 😃


twitter.com/iEarlGreyTV/status/1569044824682029057

They basically SWITCHED him OFF.

In a live TV broadcast.

😁

The therapeutic butthurt? Sure they can. The more the better. When countries start to sh*t higher than they have *sses, then the butthurt therapy is advisable. It happened to Austro-Hungary, Ottoman Empire or France for example. Now it's happening to Russia. Butthurt therapy is very painful, but eventually it frees countries from delusions of grandeur and turns them into more modern and more civilised nations, which we all wish to our Russian friends and neighbours.

The murders in Izyum and the senseless shelling of infrastructure are the answer to all those who think you can negotiate with Russia or who suggested surrender - people who want to give away another country's citizens to be liquidated 1939 style.

@Crnogorac3
YOU ARE LOSING. RUSSIA WILL BE DECIMATED. And the west will once again dance on the grave of what is left of the USSR/Russia. When the USSR was destroyed, we danced and all the people of the free world did as well. Russians even had hope. Maybe with the complete defeat and decimation of this turd world country will come some new young leadership who wants to move the country forward.

When the trolls have to resort to celebrating destroying civilian infrastructure then they clearly know the end is near. Maybe its 3 months, maybe its 12 months, but the end is near.

Attacking civilians and infrastructure is all they can do. Heavy handed lashing out since they are losing so badly.

And the funniest thing is that they are using WWII artillery to do it specifically, the D-1 152mm howitzer (M1943)

President Zelenskiy has been very clear that it has no effect at all. If the Ukrainian people weren't defeated by the whole 'might' of the r*SSian army rolling over their boirders in tanks, they won't be defeated by a few power cuts.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian Army is making further advances and coming into shelling distance of the Kerch Strait bridge. Liberating Crimea is now within sight.


As you suggest, there can be no negotiation with r*SSia. There is no civilised entity to negotiate with. All that can be done is exactly what Ukraine is doing now; driving the orcs out of their country. Apparently those that can flee are fleeing, and changing into civilian clothes first.

I notice that 'Crnogorac' is getting increasingly pathetic and desperate. Bobko and Velund have vanished.

Slava Ukraina, Heroyom Slava.


You mean that, as we know, you were 'out of state'. However you are going off topic; we are talking about Ukraine's excellent progress in chasing out the orcs.

Best not to derail an important thread with irrelevance.

Meanwhile, there's two items of very new and very good news. r*SSian forces on the north bank of the Dnipr River are in the process of surrendering and are currently negotiating surrender terms with the Ukrainian victors. This has been confirmed officially by the Ukraine General Staff. Also there are major explosions in Taganrog inside r*SSia.

The first of those two things is absolutely momentous.

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So, judging by the latest news:
1) We will take whole Ukraine in 3 days
2) We will take whole Ukraine in two weeks
3) We will take whole Ukraine in a month
4) We never wanted taking Kyiv
5) We never wanted taking Kharkiv oblast
6) We never wanted full Donbass <--- you are here
7) Please at least leave Crimea

Some people say that Russia can still decide on a full-scale mobilisation and start an all-out war in Ukraine, but I'm wondering about their ability to do so. The quality of replacement units and equipment is very low, and this is the professional army. How would their conscript army look like? At the moment they should either fully mobilise or start peace talks. Prolonging this embarassment is completely nonsensical.

Unless Putin still has some aces up his sleeve...

They don't have the institutional infrastructure for that (not to mention physical infrastructure) and can't even outfit the ragtag soldiers they're able to con into service now....

The mobilization ship sailed a long time ago...

All they can do now is bomb/shell civilian infrastructure.... that's it. The sum total of their achievement.

But it's just senseless to shell the infrastructure - wastes missiles that can't be replaced and in any case Russian POWs and money will be used to rebuild them after the surrender

@GefreiterKania
A full scale mobilization would be an admission of defeat at this point. They could not amass enough men to get into Ukraine before deep winter begins to set in. Time, if they could have held the front line was in their favor. Now, time is their enemy. The more ground Ukraine regains, puts pressure on Russian forces and puts them into smaller areas making them more vulnerable. Another week like this and they will be striking the illegal bridge from Russia to Crimea and it will be the end of Putin.

Plus, they don't have the artillery shells which is why they've been using old WWII weapons since they don't have shells for the 'newer' (Soviet) stuff. They've ordered some from North Korea which is a sign of real desperation.


Perhaps even less than a week. They're almost close enough for precision artillery fire at that bridge. And then yes, you are right, it would be the end of Putler.

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Stop lying. Not destroyed but damaged temporarily.


For a few hours, yes. And??
RuSSists aren`t able to totally destroy such complex infrastructure, they would have to attack with several dozen or hundreds missiles. Everybody knows they haven`t got so many, that is why they fire a few which is not enough, of course, and damage is repaired after a few hours.

Darling, the more damage RuSSists do in Ukraine, the higher reparations they will have to pay. It is so simple and obvious, yet your RuSSist mind somehow refuses to accept it.

Is PolAm right after all when he claims not only RuSSists but all Russians are brainless???

And that is why we support civilised Ukrainians, not Mongol RuSSists. :):):)


Yes, it is pathetically disgusting. Worthless scum those RuSSist trolls are.

Will go to bed now. Hopefully I'll be able to read about Russian units surrendering in Kherson in the morning news.

My sympathy for Germany's energy problems is growing smaller and smaller.... it turns out they enough gas reserves to cover their needs for a decade but they won't drill for it.... although they do destroy much larger swathes of land for coal mining.....

Is this all at the demand/behest of environmental lobby which is heavily funded by..... (you guessed it).... russia?

twitter.com/AndrewHammel1/status/1569316911552385026

r*SSia has completely played them. They're still funding them.

I don't want to go into conspiracy theory, however there's a lot of speculation about France and Germany's relationship with r*SSia, their long term goals and what neither country is saying. There's support for Ukraine among people, the good people, there, however both there and in France, there are also significant elements who favour r*SSia; they've even had demonstrations supporting them in both places.

And what's with the Leopard tank thing? Even their MPs are calling for more help, however their senior politicians are really dragging their heels as they always have.

It's as if they don't want r*SSia to be thoroughly defeated. No wonder there are conspiracy theories emerging, some of them about markets in 'Eurasia' and turning the EU into a European superstate with the two countries calling all the shots and treating the rest of us as part of their lebensraum.

Unlikely, but possible.


That is a disgusting element of Europe and one of many reasons why I am so glad The UK left The EU.

Basically cosying up to r*SSia at the expense of a sovereign Ukraine.I was opposed to EU withdrawal at the time for various reasons however one thing that has swayed me the is the memory De Gaulle's statement that Europe is France and Germany with all the rest being just decoration. That and the way the single market has been seen as a playground for FR, GER and IT.

The closeness of those two countries economically, their arms sales to r*SSia and one country's blocking others from helping and the other's attempts to get Ukraine to accept loss of territory are scandalous. The r*SSophilia in Italy is disturbing too as is their failure to deal with Hungary.

At least the U.K. and Poland have thrown a spanner in certain works and doubtless a lot will come out with time.

@jon357

Na ja.....the unholy trinity between France, Germany, and GB isn't new....most wars had been between them, becaus of them, with ever changing alliances....

With Britain always trying ot keep one down....either France or Germany, if one of them became to strong, threatening GB's position..."perfidious Albion" and such.

This was the reason for countless wars and destruction in Europe....and now Britain is "out", took itself "out"....Germany and France may not like each other, but there won't be any wars between them as long as they are both members of the same union....even if Britain doesn't like it.

And that rivalry has not much to with Putins invasion in Ukraine....but is much older, and will still exist in the european future too, even when this war is long past.

Remember, GB only became a member much later, it wasn' t a founding member of the EU....rather hoping it would not work out....continental Europe allied is not a british dream, quite the contrary!

And in one point in the future Ukraine will join the EU, not the Commonwealth! ;)

@jon357
When Macron said that Russia should not be humiliated and thoroughly defeated, everyone should have taken him to task. France and Germany want to control the EU as they always have. They hate Poland's new leading role in the EU. They hate it so much they are doing everything to keep the recovery money from getting to Poland and its citizens. Yes, Poland needs to change rule of law items, still, it is gone on too long.

Now with Poland hosting tens of thousands of US troops, and being on the front lines assisting Ukraine, Poland is in a much stronger position. When the US establishes more military here on a permanent basis, more than in Germany, Poland will take on a whole new role.

Reports of massive numbers of Russian soldiers now POW's starting to come out. Putin can not replace the dead Orc's let alone ones that are happy to be captured or deserters. I think he is probably just waiting for someone to take him out now. Holding on with all he has. These next few weeks will be very interesting if Ukraine can keep up this pace. If the bridge in Crimea goes, it is simply all over.

Those two at war is not in our interests, however we didn't take ourselves "out", no matter what Micron may say. If anything we put ourselves in. Not in the EU, but in the new outward looking Europe, not in thrall to r*SSia/China, not filled with r*SSian intelligence assets from top to bottom, and of course the leading role we have taken among European countries in supporting Ukraine (and which Ukraine has acknowledged) is but part of this.

Poland too, another country that prefers independence to being a star on someone else's flag and has stepped up in this war. Imagine the pressure nowadays from Francogrmania if they joined in another coalition with the UK and US in Iraq or elsewhere. They'd not give in though, despite the inevitable threats and blackmail.


They can of course join both (as France once wanted to); the Commonwealth of Nations is not an evil empire with its members dominated by any single country or political/economic hegemony. Although Ukraine isn't (yet) ready to join AUKUS or Five Eyes, that may well be a good way forward for them. The bulk of the permanent Ukrainian diaspora reside within Five Eyes countries and as AUKUS expands, their role is key and of course it already forms the most powerful and effective bloc within NATO..

After all, who would trust an 'EU' army controlled by Francogermania; they would probably refuse to fight and in any case, a substantial chunk of their leaders would be on r*SSia's patroll.

It was a mistake to get into bed with r*SSia and become dependent on their oil; and an even bigger mistake to give in to their blackmail.

And now, r*SSisn state TV is suggesting that Ukraine can't be beaten in the war.

This is a sea change, and almost certainly Putler testing the waters about suing for peace.

The West still have to stay firm. Supply more and better weapons, intel and training and of course reduce gas/oil from r*Ssia to zero and maintain sanctions, even after this war is over.

Read this for the state of rule of law in Bulgaria. politico.eu/article/bulgaria-how-it-became-mafia-state-of-eu/ "Farmers say that holdings receiving millions in EU funds don't exist. Tenders for infrastructure such as motorways are divided into small stretches so as many cronies as possible can receive an inflated cut of the EU cash bonanza. Public works are often shoddily done so new contracts and funds are continually needed. Brussels and Berlin have not, however, criticized Borissov. He is, after all, a key ally to German Chancellor Angela Merkel and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen in the center-right European People's Party." Now Bulgaria had their own nocna zmiana and the reformist goverment was overthrown by russia and mafia, and yet not a peep about 'rule of law'

Bulgarian Prime Minister Kiril Petkov planted the blame squarely on Russia and his own country's powerful mafia after his government lost a no-confidence vote on Wednesday.

politico.eu/article/bulgarian-pm-petkov-government-lose-no-confidence-vote/

Regarding backtracking over PiS legal reforms poland already compromised 80 percent with the EU and they backtabbed morawiecki. EU want nothing but total subjugation and humiliatoin. In the middle of a war and a refugee crisis, the perfidious germans who run the EU have no shame.

Prob time to demand repatriations from EU for approving NS1 at the expense of the Ukrainian and Polish national interest.

@amiga500
I agree with you on the EU position. Ziobro needs to stop gunning things up. The PM could have gotten the money by now if not for Ziobro. The cronyism is still healthy here too. But, I completely agree the EU should be bending more. Every day when I walk out my door there are Ukraine people waiting to get into a new help center that opened on my block. The EU needs to back off just a bit more with everything Poland has done.