Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

@PolAm

It is more than obvious now that Putin counted on the West being rotten, decadent and weak-willed, and that they would sell Ukraine for gas, oil and peace and quiet, so they can keep enjoying their gay parades. In other words, he made a schoolboy mistake of believing his own propaganda - the silliest thing you can do in politics.

If he had the guts to actually admit defeat an deal with the consequences, Russia might keep at least some of what could, in favourable circumstances, be called face. But he's a coward and bitter ender like Hitler. F*ck 'im.

@Crnogorac3

You had this useful habit of posting maps here. Why did you stop? Please post maps - keep us updated. *rolls eyes*

But seriously, what you are doing here is despicable. You country is a member of NATO and enjoys the peace and stability that it brings, and you support Russia who is trying to destroy this peace and stability. What was it that made you betray your country?

@Bobko

No need to panic and no need for a defeatism.
Andrei explains it plain and simple.

youtu.be/v7pW_KqX8QA

Btw the pro-Russian civilians were evacuated, those who stayed are mostly pro-ukrop.....


The main goal for Russia is not territory gains, that's secondary. The main goal is (as they say it) "demilitarization and denazification", in other words their main goal is to physically exterminate as many ukrops with anti-Russian sentiment as possible, Russia doesn't want an Anti-Russia on it's borders with high military capabilities and potential NATO membership.

youtu.be/UGLTEsJHcF8

They had to lure them out in to the open, out of cities like Kharkov, Nikolaev, Odessa, Kiev, Lvov etc because it's much easier to destroy them on the open fields.....

In these 3 days during this ukrop offensive the Russians killed around 3k and wounded some 7k ukrops, so that's around 10k incapacitated in 3 days while the Russian losses are extremely low. Ukrops are calling this victory.....

As about the numbers, the total number of RAF in Donbass is around 125k (professional soldiers) plus some 80k from the DPR and LPR but those are mostly volunteers without military background.

The ukrops, if they mobilize everyone they can (let's not forget the almost 200k AFU losses so far) they can pump up their army to around 1.2mil but most of these would be forcefully mobilized civilians who have zero combat experience and who in most cases are unmotivated, scared and are unwilling to fight.

Russia at present has 1.4mil professional active military personnel and they used only around 9% of them during the whole special military operation so far. If they would turn up this number from 9 to 20%, they could take the whole ukropland before new year's eve. However, this way they would not reach their goal because if the tempo would be too fast, most of the ukrops would flee to the west. Russians don't want them to escape to the west, they want them on the frontlines so they can grind them slowly. So they have to move slowly with lower numbers to make the ukrops believe that they have a chance.....

Oh and btw Russia has 70mil manpower of whom are 47mil fit for service, if they would need another million mobilized, they could do it in a week (also, Russia has conscription so every man in Russia knows the military basics) just so you know and have some perspective on the dimensions of the raw numbers.....

And let's not forget that Russia controls the skies over ukropia, they see every movement with satellites and with high altitude military drones, the GRU is infiltrated in every pore of AFU and they are spying most of ukrop communication lines too. Russia's artillery resources are almost infinite, they have mountains of artillery from the Soviet era and the production is active non-stop, day and night in this very moment, they produce more than they can use on a daily basis.

So with all due respect, if after all these facts someone still thinks that ukrops surprised the Russians and that Russians didn't know about this offensive and that they couldn't stop it if they wanted to, than this person/persons have no clue about the situation.....

Now, the information war is a totally different story. On that field Russia doesn't want and even if it would want to, it could not race with the western-jewish media machine. So even the most of the kosher nationalists who are sympathizing with Russia, even they fell for the zio-media propaganda. However, I hope that members of this forum are smarter than that and that we can see through the kike's lies.....

Good video on the state of the russian economy, punching holes in many of the myths about its resiliance. The delivery is.... it is what it is, but the content is top notch as he dispassionately goes through numbers showing how much damage the Tsar has done to his country.

youtube.com/watch?v=Omdq2EvM1dQ

The UK training troops 😁

18+

twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1570684383924998145

@Crnogorac3
Clearly you are experiencing adverse side effects from licking Putin's a$$ and you are hallucinating. Nothing you have written is true or even close to true. Really, just stop wasting your time and ours, and kindly F off to some other troll activity. Russia is being liquidated in Ukraine, and financially through sanctions. Cant fix that Samsung TV with a barrel of oil, and you can not get replacement parts for your Mercedes with a ton of LNG. Enjoy the turd world you have chosen to live in. Soon you will be stealing from each other and crime will go back to 1990 level in the streets. Orc's deserve exactly what they are getting.

interesting thread from generalsvr today (no surprise to anyone paying attention to official reports)

putin treated like an also-ran in Uzbekistan where the star was Xi.

putin received nothing but meaningless expressions of support and was shoved to one side....

Even lukashenka disrespected putain by begging for money from other leaders... right in front of putain

twitter.com/generalsvr_en/status/1570668929118507011

China and Turkey are going to have a bigger influence over Central Asia than russia.... heck of a job, Vova!

Well, China is preparing to go on Taiwan, in the shortest period of time, it doesn't have a surplus of weapons to send to Russia, which, btw, is ahead of China in the production of armaments, in fact, Russia has not even started using modern weapons, but mostly spends its reserves from the last century. And how much Xi and other world leaders support Zelensky and the collapsing West, we saw from the fact that about 20% of humanity imposed sanctions on Russia at their persuasion, they were fvcked by the whole of Africa, South America, 95% of Asia, even some European countries. Since this war started, in the first 6 months, trade between Russia and China has increased by 30%, compared to last year, if you think it's only oil, then you have autism. Countless many companies, in Russia, which were left by the Western owners, have now been taken over by Chinese corporations, they also sell them cars, phones, all kinds of parts that they lack, ruble-yuan trade between them has increased by 1000% since the war started, the entire Russian financial market switched to yuan.

"No words of solidarity" 😃 - And just as we are talking about the Chinese and Russian navies together in the Pacific, a few days ago Vostok 2022 was the largest joint exercise of the Russian and Chinese armies in history, the first time that both the navy, the army, and the air force took part, and Russia and China participated in the same exercise. I think that deeds are a little more important, and yes, China has already repeated a dozen times that NATO is to blame for the war in Ukraine.

Off you go now boy, to watch the senile Biden and the funeral of the British queen's carcass and avoid serious topics.

stop it mafRusAnon. Your'e embarrassing yourself. No there was never an assination attempt on putin, no lavrov did not sell armenia to the turks.. no wateva your twitter accounts claim is not true, apart from kamil , really how are u that dumb at think a some ukri racing driver has access to the kremlin inner sanctom, falling for obv ukri psyops are u really that dumb?

No matter how many times you repeat this, it won't become true.

Do you know why Poland, Czechia, Lithuania, Bulgaria etc. etc. are in NATO? Because Polish, Czech, Bulgarian etc. people wanted it, and if Ukrainian people want their country in NATO, they will eventually be accepted.

And if some demented tyrant thinks that he can conquer and enslave free people, and decide their fate for them, he has another thing coming.

@Crnogorac3
LMFAO and exactly how many Chinese participated in those military exercises two weeks ago? A paltry 2000 soldiers from one of the largest armies in the world. A joke. China don't GAF about Russia and China is just waiting to over run Siberia when Russia is in its death throws. Keep waiting for China to save you and you will find it is a Chinese boot on the Russian neck.

Keep dreaming about weapons and using the old ones first. Yes because Russia wanted to kill tens of thousands of its own soldiers first. WTF are you smoking?

I just post links, you're undedr no obligation to click or believe.... why does it bother you so?

for what it's worth...

generalsvr reported putin was angry at Solovyov and wanted someone to tell him to shut his trap.... a few days later he shoes up with bruises on his face that he refused to explain

generalsvr reported that the US wanted Ukraine to have a clear victory over russia... and few days later the Donbas push amazed the world...

could be coincidence or it could be something else...

I don't believe any source uncritically and have been very disappointed by most Polish coverage, the Polish media seems to have outsourced most of its coverage to translating what western outlets are saying and the western outlets aren't necessarily very good (time after time I see things covered as new days after I found out).

Be that as it may, here's another interesting link on why putain can't call for mobilization...

shorter version: there are three groups in russia, radicals (angry vatniks), liberals (alienated and excluded from public discourse) and the largest group - laymen (poltically apathetic, they'll passive support almost anything the government does but they won't make any kind of sacrifice for it)

putain's government worked long and hard to inculcate passivity and apathy among the laymen but that works against him now - if he calls for mobilization they might waken from their slumber

meanwhile the radicals want blood but he no longer knows how to deliver it to them....

twitter.com/YudinGreg/status/1570101428542402561

vlad vexler says something similar in a different way, part of the bargain between putain and the russian public, from the public's point of view, is "You do politics, and we'll passively support you but don't ask anything from us."

well check out @WarNewsPL1 @JoKingScholar @GregLewicki @SlawomirDebski @PISM_Poland at the very least.

and ofcourse old school defence24.pl


There are four apparently.
themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/20/the-four-russias-and-ukraine-a77423

This is Russia beyond the big cities, in localities like Biysk or Porkhov. It's all those townlets with a grey-on-grey color scheme and roads like they've just been bombed. Born there? Your alcoholic father has quite possibly been beating up your granny for her $150 pension, and junkies were doing salt in the back of your class in the eighth grade. Collection of scrap metal was an honorable alternative to petty theft, though the metal had to be stolen anyway. Your social circle was all sporting Adidas tracksuits, a third had done jail time. Chances are, you knew someone who killed someone. You sure knew someone who drank themselves to death (maybe it was your dad).

That article is more about socio-economics (from research done in 2011)

Yudin's classification is about political engagement that to some extent cuts across economic class (the fourth zone will be mostly radicals and laymen)

US officials are disappointed US-led sanctions haven't had a bigger impact so far on the Russian economy and are now predicting that the harshest effects probably won't materialize until early next year at the earliest while Europe freezes to death.

The hope had been that the sanctions would quickly choke off Russia's war machine in Ukraine.
The Russian economy has proven far more resilient than many top biden administration officials had expected when they set out to punish the country in February, thanks largely to record-setting revenues it has reaped in the spring and summer from soaring energy prices.

In the first 100 days of the war, Russia earned a record 93 billion euros in revenue by exporting oil, gas and coal.
This war is far from over.
I just pray that Putin doesn't turn it into a scorched earth policy to win it.

Where do you get your information from? Because not even the biggest pessimists in Germany believe that Europe will "freeze to death" because of the lack of Russian gas.


Its' budget surplus is nevertheless smaller than expected and falling.

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-12/russia-s-budget-surplus-melts-away-as-revenues-fade

Time is not on Russia's side. It will loose this war, even if it can somewhat weather the sanctions domestically. It's arms industry can not hope to match Western military supplies to Ukraine, nvm. its' lack of manpower.

Even CNN conveys sometimes, once in 100 cases, the real truth,


edition.cnn.com/2022/09/15/economy/china-russia-closer-ties-sco-summit-intl-hnk/index.html

Let them have their dream...


check the video I linked to in #2613.... the russian economy is in the cr@pper, just not so visible yet (though the signs are there).

The truth is that China is fully willing to exploit Russia's weakness,buying discount energy and supplanting its' influence in Central Asia, but it is unwilling to deliver stuff Russia desperately needs like weapons. What a partner!

That may be due to some wishful thinking and being a bit bias on your part however the fact is Russia's economy still only shrunk by about 4% between April and June as compared to the same period last year but that's nowhere near the 15% decline that some had expected earlier in the year.

In the first 100 days of the war, Russia earned a record 93 billion euros in revenue by exporting oil, gas and coal.
That's hardly what one would call an economy that is in the crapper.

did you listen to the video? he explains the russian government has stopped releasing many figures related to the economy, you can be assured that if they weren't dire they would release them, looking at what it has released it it's contracted a lot more than 4%...

What use is June data now ? The price of oil is down, their economy is devastated and they are losing the war

Yesterday Putin went cap in hand to the Chinese and got nothing

Why do you keep pretending that we want to make you hate Russian people? Are you retarded or something? We don't have a problem with you not hating Russian people. We have a problem with you being so friendly with pro-Putin scum like Bobko and Velund. Do you honestly don't get it?


What I inferred from the posts of your Bobi-srobi is that he doesn't care about human life. He stated clearly that Putin started this war for imperial reasons - to recreate the Soviet Union and your Bobi-srobi supports it. Unlike Velund, he doesn't claim that this war is about helping people in Donbas, so there isn't even the human aspect there. He even thinks that RuSSia isn't "tough" enough in this war and wants this war to be even worse for civillians (because such are the results of targeting civillian infrastructure).

Your Bobi-srobi is a cold-blooded imperialist, his prejudice against Ukrainians gives out a typical stench of RuSSian imperialism too and he's a fan of Dzerzhinsky at that. And he supports a senseless war in which thousands of people are dying, both Ukrainians and Russians/RuSSians. That's enough for me. I don't care that he's nice and polite and pays people compliments. The fact that he knows how to suck up to people doesn't erase his evil views.

Listen, Russians can be very nice, friendly and charming in personal relations. It's easy to fall for that. I was there too. So I get it. But once you get to know what are the views of those people, that's where a decent person should draw a line.

I'm not even telling you to hate Bobko. You don't have to hate anyone. But if you can't see him for who he is, then you must be blind or really naive or really stupid. Or, if you can see it and you don't mind, then both of you make me sick - you and Bobko.


Yes, exactly.

Nope, my firewall blocked it as being unsafe.


by who ?


Not in the first 100 days that I posted not once but twice and you still missed the point.

It's no wonder Novi gets so frustrated with you guys.

The boys from the Caucasus are on the way. 👍

twitter.com/sashatimofeevax/status/1570635006976094215

descendants of Ivan the Terrible with a flag bearing the image of the Savior

it's on youtube.... your firewall blocks youtube? very odd...


anyone who expected massive contractios in 100 days is an idiot (and it's completely irrelevant by now, so why even bring it up?)


getting attention by pretending to be following things?

@Crnogorac3
Fantastic more Russian fertilizer on the way. So much for not providing those valuable nutrients for next years harvest. Orc meat and blood is great for all those fields of grain that will be needed to feed the hungry. Too bad you haven't volunteered. Then again, no pu$$ies ever do.

@johnny reb
Really man you have no clue what is going on in Europe. Not one person here is really worried. Its inconvenient, but that's it.

Because Q3 is not out yet would be a start.
Then there is the fact that the article was just published today and you say that your source is U-tube ?


Yes, as it was published today in fact in finance yahoo.


Really man, you are not the only American that I know living in Poland and other European countries, big guy.


That is totally not true.

You don`t know Poles. In 1920 Soviet RuSSians were slowly encircling Warsaw while gentlemen played cards, threw parties, went on trips out of town and generally had a lot of fun.


Holy words.
Kania, stop acting like a renegade azhole.

Seven countries voted against letting Zelensky address the UN.

One is Russia - guess the other 6 without Google

He got that wrong!


Hahahaha! It is too embarrassing for him to do so!


Oh please stop with your divisive America v the the rest of the world nonsense!
Europe will not freeze to death.
Germany might struggle, because of their over dependency on Russia.
But the rest of Europe will help them out.

Responding to JR's post Tacitus said this;


I think he uses extreme left and right wing websites that have no interest in truth but are only interested in pushing their own extremist agendas.

More fool him.

Cut down on your quotes please