Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

I protest! My entire life's observations lead me to the conclusion that it is the lowest of the low (with very few exceptions), either the most spineless or the most conniving and ruthless that make careers in politics. No matter if it's Russia, Poland or Argentina - it would be an insult to the nation to say that its politicians reflect the general state of society.


Well, I suppose Gdańsk is still "Poland A", although PiS doesn't love us very much (to put it mildly) and would gladly relegate us to "Poland B".


Have you been to Russia? There can be love and poetry... and beauty, even in suffering. I would write more but I would probably again be misunderstood and Pawian would be all over me like a ton of bricks. :) Oh, well... I can't stop being a Russophile, it's too deeply ingrained in me. Sorry.

@GefreiterKania:


Yes, I know what you mean, politicians are usually worse or a tad worse than a regular Joe, but I stand by what I wrote - they still reflect their society. When I look at PiS, I see "Poland B" in magnifying glass. Unfortunately.

The same is with RuSSia (and any other country). Their rulers are corrupt, because the RuSSian society is corrupt. If you know anything about RuSSia you should know how commonplace and deeply ingrained corruption is in the RuSSian society.


Yes, it is. And trust me, there is a difference between Poles in "Poland A" and Poles in "Poland B". I'm not just talking about political views, but what people are like, how they treat each other, etc.

In the past I used to defend both "Poland B" and RuSSians, but anymore.

And, no, I haven't been to RuSSia. It makes no difference though. Visiting a place as a tourist is not the same as living there or being raised there. Of course, like any place, RuSSia included, it has it's merits. If you visited Kielce or some village in Holy Cross region you'd only see "lovely and quite poetic" landscape and hospitable people. Only someone who lives there knows what's going on under that "lovely" surface.

Be careful what you wish for.
Whoever replaces Putin in a defeat scenario will be from the ultranationalist opposition to Putin, not some pro Western liberal.
They will be much more aggressive than Putin and even more dangerous.

@johnny reb, are you talking to me?


We don't know that. It would probably depend on the scale of RuSSian defeat. But the only thing I wish for these days is for RuSSia to be defeated in this war, so there would be peace and an end to killing people and so Ukrainians could start rebuilding their country and having normal life. I don't care that much about what happens in RuSSia anymore or who's going to rule there. We don't have influence on that anyway. I just want Ukraine to be safe with no orc soldiers present.


*not anymore

What did the last report from Z say about his losses?
You didn't see it? I wonder why...


This one is the weirdest war ever. Only one side does all the dying and it just happens to be the side Western propaganda doesn't like. Truly amazing...

@Paulina
Unfortunately every Russian I have had to deal with has been in a professional situation. Several worked for me, and stole or lied. Three actually tried to organize a strike because I fired someone from Belarus for stealing from me. Several more tried to con me out of money while in Russia. It is what it is.

I believe there probably are some nice Russian people, I simply have not met any, and I now chose to not do business or entertain even a conversation with them. Why even risk the headache when it can be easily avoided. In Poland now, I dont have to worry about dealing with them, in the US though its a different story. In the middle east it is also a different story.

My point has always been, if a Russian is in another country they need to assimilate into that culture and society. It is no different than how Mexicans should assimilate into the American culture, or how I assimilated into the Polish society. If I tried doing everything the American way in Poland it would never work. You simply can not expect to be accepted anywhere if you do not completely buy into what the country is all about.

Russia's problems are societal. Their whole system is based on lies. Even Russians will say this. And it is why no one wants to live there. Russia doesn't have an immigration problem, they have an emigration problem. The good ones leave and what are you left with?

On a positive note though, JR just pointed out how many are being liquidated and fortunately for the rest of the world many are being processed daily. When the leader of a nation is nothing more than a thug, you have nothing but thug culture. Little Vlad will eventually be taken out. We just have to wait and see by who.

Do your sources report on how many Uks are being liquidated or is it only the Russians that do all the dying?

@Novichok
Lots of Ukraine dying too. But they are not giving up land they already lost a lot of men for while capturing it. I have never said Ukraines are not dying. Just more Russians dying, and that is natural considering most of them just learned how to load an AK.

"Lots" is not a number. It's an emotion.

@Novichok
Lots of Russians too. More Russians than Ukraine. Not emotional at all. Scales do not have to report a weight in order to show which side is heavier.

Okay what figures are released by the russian government?

Why should Ukraine satisfy your morbid desire for Ukrainian deaths?


And..... you're officially a moron incapable of taking in new information... my understanding of russia has completely changed since the beginning of the war while yours is stuck in place, preserved in cold war amber that russians themselves don't think about

read this again, a Russian intellectual (he deserves capitalization) never mentions NATO... you are stuck with material 'great power' explanations when the causes of the war are ideological and identarian in nature

twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1593388247799021568

Yeah the sacrifice made by the USA is so great... . You are directly weakening the biggest ally of your strategic rival China, without having to sacrifice a single soldier, by sending weapons that would have otherwise gathered dusk in some depots. You don't have to care for Ukrainian refugees and now can sell even more LNG gas to Europe.

The war is basically an exhibition show for your weapons. And now even tiny countries like the Baltic states want to buy 100s of Himars. You will get back 10 dollars in arms procurement back down the line for every dollar spend on supplying weapons to Ukraine. No one who still has a choice will buy Russian weapons once this war is done.

Is there any real indication that russia didn't 'feel safe'?

All the money got stolen from the military probably because those in a position to know didn't think there was any kind of imminent threat and they didn't realize how insane putain had become.

"Why are we spending all this money for equipment we don't need? Maybe I'll just take some of that... it's not like we're gonna be invaded. What putain is having us invade????"

Brilliant post, Tacitus. You summed it all up perfectly.

And yet, certain posters here will no doubt stubbornly keep claiming that America is doing something against their own interest out of pure goodness of their hearts. And to think that those posters are all over 18 years old (some even over 80). :) Grow up, children. America didn't become the world's only global superpower by singing kumbaya and unselfishly helping those in need everywhere (LOL!) but by absolutely ruthlessly pursuing policies that bring maximum profit to the USA. If it took slaughtering native people, native people were slaughtered. If it took enslaving thousands and using them as labour power, thousands were enslaved. If it took dropping nuclear bombs on civilians, nuclear bombs were dropped. If it took financing rebels and overthrowing governments of hostile countries, it was done. In very much the same way, the USA is financing Ukraine in their war against Russia. Grow-the-f*ck-up.

@GefreiterKania

Thanks, and I am of course not downplaying the impact of American assistance for Ukraine. The Ukrainian army would hardly be in a position to succesfully drive the Russians back without them. The American arms industry is a juggernaut and we are fortunate that they are on our side. The fact that Americans have auch an impact without them really trying illustrates this.

From Right People Z, we are happy to announce that several Polish corpses returned to their homeland, it is not clear, they were just mercenaries, maybe volunteers, specialists giving technical assistance to the AFU...

The important thing, they died for Bandera and gay rights of Ukraine and now their widows will enjoy the company of MedBvlls. The secrecy surrounding the death of NATO soldiers in Ukraine is absolute because of the risk of escalation, information is hard to find.

t.me/intelslava/41327

Absolutely!


So true!


Spot on!

It's Costing Peanuts for the US to Defeat Russia

cepa.org/article/its-costing-peanuts-for-the-us-to-defeat-russia/

@Tacitus
Great post!

The orcs are apparently outnumbered 4-1 around Bakhmut and good news is expected.

For russia, it gets worse and worse.

More than 300 Orc's liquidated yesterday. More being liquidated today, or turned into Orcsicles with several inches of snow in Ukraine. Cold AF snowing, no winter gear. Sounds like a Russian holiday. Happy gulag biatches!

You milk soppers have no shame at all.


Drone footage reportedly shows the moment a Russian soldier surrenders to Ukrainian forces.
'Drone Dawg', a Twitter profile sharing news on the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, said the troop was a member of the famous Wagner Group, a Russian paramilitary organization.

General Winter is very much on Ukraine's side.

Yes and no


Maybe Ukraine's military but certainly not the 10 million Ukrainian civilians without power.

Facts are too much for you?

The USA has so far spent 5% of its' annual military budget to help destroy 50% of Russians' conventional military capabilities, mostly using already produced weapons.

Nvm that you will get the money back tenfold via LNG gas and military purchases from around the world.

Supporting Ukraine was the smartest foreign political move an American president has made in decades.

We already own most of LNG and we already have those military purchases around the world.
Who do you think pays for that 5% INCREASE ?
Here, read for yourself and learn.

peoplesdispatch.org/2022/03/24/us-spends-billions-on-war-in-ukraine-and-working-class-pays-the-price/


I disagree, the smartest move would have been to listen to Trump and dissolve NATO all together.
Then what would you poor milk soppers do ?

why are you quoting from a commie site? I thought you hated communists....

weird, you certainly are....

If Trump had won the last election then he could have fond ahead with his plan. Europe would probably then form its own alliance, with nukes

But Trump lost so it didn't happen. Loser Trump

Suffice to say, both Europe and the USA would have suffered tremendously under a second Trump presidency. Europe because Trump would have handed Ukraine over to Putin on a silber plate. And the USA because their strategic rival's biggest ally would have scored a huge win, and the USA's asian allies would have less reason to trust and cooperate with them. The world sure got lucky that Trump turned out to be sucha massive loser.


The Democrats could hope for no greater gift.

Stick to the topic of the thread please

People in Ukraine appear to be handling r*SSian attacks on critical infrastructure rather well.

They are used to inconvenience in life and have efficient enough centralised planning to mitigate anything the r*SSians throw at them.

Now, it's time to blow the remaining gas pipelines into western/central Europe.