Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 4

@Velund
Learning to lie with a straight face is a Russian genetic trait. You all can do it expertly. Putin when he lies will look the same as when he is lying in a wooden box.

I see we are back on the NATO train. LOL Yes, NATO is scary, so scary in fact that has had the ability to invade Russia for ohhhhhh about a half century and has not. Moronic reasoning that has already been debunked. Have we moved beyond removing satanism then? What will the flavor of excuse be on Monday? Happy gulag biatches!

As I predicted months ago that Putin would not make the New Year.


Many of Putins close friends are now fleeing Russia knowing they will start falling out windows once Putin takes his last breath.
The latest was his jujitsu instructor who just fled Russia.
Putin could be checking out any day now.

It looks like there has been major shift in the attitude of Russians towards the "special operation"...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-brytyjskie-ministerstwo-obrony-poparcie-rosjan-dla-wojny-spa,nId,6452090

... only 25% of Russians support continuing the "operation" as compared to 80% in April! :)

If I were Putin, I'd be looking for a safe place to spend my retirement. North Korea perhaps?

It looks like anything including "british" in their name produces pure BS. ;) British scientists create tradition, others continue... ;)

How do you explain supposed high support for the war vs a record number of people leaving russia to avoid it?

This "record number" doesn't make Moscow metro empty during the day and traffic jams is the same as always. Few thousands of libtards and cowards who flee to avoid conscription doesn't make any real difference. But if you will make poll between them, you'll definitely get record low support of SMO. ;)

In short, those who stayed don't wait for the runaways to come back.

BTW: Compare this to Ukraine, where conscriptable males cannot leave country at all.

@Velund
And why exactly have you not volunteered? Mr. Brave? Everyone feels so strongly in favor of the war that they are hording western made goods, and price gouging is through the roof. Nothing says cannibalize your neighbor like a good Russian war. Soon, everyone will turn their neighbors in to get better apartments or more bread coupons. Oh wait, you mean that never stopped? Turd world Russia heading exactly where it belongs, down the sewar.

...and let's not forget American war tourism to Canada way back...

I noticed this constant smuggling of the idea that Russia is unique in only where things are bad. Dead babies - Russia. Bombed cities - Russia. Destroyed power stations - Russia. Interfering in other countries - Russia. Poverty - Russia. Opposition to war - Russia. Russia-hating Polish morons - PF and Poland...

Did I miss anything?

One estimate I saw was that about five times more russians left russia to escape mogilization in two months than left the US to avoid the draft over five years of Vietnam... so.... there's that.....


russia is inferior. You're welcome.

Or maybe, just maybe, they are ordinary people who are not willing to die for oligarchs' mega-yachts, bit*ches and golden toilet bowls? Maybe...


20 thousand of them somehow reached the USA (even by rowing to Alaska). :)

theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/06/alaska-two-russians-flee-military-draft

Maybe russia, but not Russia.

"Inferior" cannot exist alone and make sense.

Inferior as compared to what? There are about 200 countries so get busy...

Poland, Ukraine

Most other countries esp Ukraine and Poland and the UK and the US

You are so right. Those supersonic Polish fighter planes that are actually faster than any other, the first man in space straight from Kielce, the best chess players - all from Zakopane, and those Polish nukes...

Almost forgot that special phone line from DC to Warsaw. Oops sorry - I meant Moscow.

Yes, levels of corruption and all manner of social dysfunction (divorce, abortion, drug addiction, domestic violence) are far higher in russia than in any of the other countries I named. And as bad as the US and UK can get in terms of social inequality, russia is far worse.

And... russia has no method of making anything better (unlike any of the other countries which have citizenries that are far more engaged in the political process), russian citizens are apathetic and passive and tend to do whatever they're told and dread the thought of standing up to authority no matter how corrupt it may be.

And I wouldn't brag too much about fast planes given russia's craptacular performance in this war.... scouring prisons and sending completely untrained meat to the front in improvised uniforms with no weapons.... very inferior way to fight a war....

Are we discussing Russia, Nazi Germany, or colonial GB? As opposed to the Russians, the good citizens of the last two were very happy to inflict bad things on others.

I even recall something about the sun always shining...

you need to listen to pay more attention, because at present you're pig ignorant....

twitter.com/sternenko/status/1599309556823097345

twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1599153829643137024

Memo to PF Russia-hating a-holes: Unless it's an editorial kind, skip "you" and personal insults.

As far as these civilians allegedly executed by Russians...

1. Where is the evidence that it really happened?
2. Were those executed men just walking down the street sipping beer or were they caught shooting at the Russians?
3. Why would Russians leave them there as evidence? There was no need to spread the news that they kill the guys Russians don't like already.

@Velund

"Forbes" writes that about 700,000 people left Russia after the mobilization was announced...

forsal.pl/swiat/rosja/artykuly/8561530,forbes-po-ogloszeniu-mobilizacji-z-rosji-wyjechalo-ok-700-tys-osob.html

... they couldn't possibly all have been Navalny's sympathisers, idiot bloggers or cowards.

I have been thinking about it and it really makes a lot of sense, despite your arguments to the contrary. Why does Russia have to be an "empire"? With thieving elites, backwards economy and impoverished population but with pathetically fake imperial blast and ambition? What's the point?

What would be better for the Germans - the country they have now or the III Reich? In the same way, Russia concentrated on modernization, development and improving the lives of her citizens would be much better for Russians than the Russkiy Mir Reich parody it has turned into. Why hang on to this "imperial" nonsense? Mind boggles.

Luckily, if we are to believe the statistics from the British Ministry of Defence, more and more Russians are beginning to realise that.

If Russia wanted to be an "empire" it would have 10 aircraft carrier groups and bases all over the world. Their military budget would be almost equal to what the rest of the world spends on arms.

They would have their army and rockets within minutes to the US, too.

If they have all of that, I missed it somehow...

Not necessarily - land empires are different from sea empires.


... depends on their weak economy, but still they spend 4.3% GDP on their military (compared to America's 3.7%).

data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?most_recent_value_desc=true


That's the point of having nuclear missiles on submarines (they would reach the US in 10-15 minutes) and Russians have a lot of them. Besides, rockets launched from ICBM sites in Russian far east can reach the US in under 30 minutes.


Apparently.

@Novichok

I meant the need for carrier groups.


How about dead Chechens? Chechenya lost about 10% of their population fighting Russian invasions, although some sources claim the casualties can be as high as 300,000 (20% of total population!)...

radiofrance.fr/franceculture/tchetchenie-vingt-ans-apres-la-guerre-un-etat-dans-l-etat-1940012

... 10-20% of civilian population - that's nothing short of genocide.

I'm not "accusing" as you claim in such a pearl clutching manner.... I'm stating facts as I understand them. If you don't like it - ramin in denial.


So Austro-Hungary wasn't an empire? Interesting take...

No, a hole in the ground smaller than Ohio is not "an empire".


Without "allegedly" you own this claim.


Bingo. Thank you for making my point. Which is that big fist is all that's needed to be "right". The US has it - and I am happy that it does - and so do China and Russia, although smaller but still big enough to kick ass without asking PF posters if they approve.

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The Welsh government has decided to introduce new rules which will scale back benefits fror Ukrainian refugees. The measure comes as the UK government has warned of a difficult fiscal outlook.

That's strange...Every time I ask for numbers like the maximum of anything I am always told "whatever it takes". Now I am finding out that even a place as rich as Wales has had it with refugees. Not nice, guys. You know you can always print more money ...

You have to be kidding.......do you not realise that Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland would be bankrupt without support from England?

Biden is handing out green cards to the Ukrainians like candy. There are a massive amount in Chicago. Ive heard the Polocks complaining about them already. They claim its totally unfair bc they have been waiting for years to receive one themselves. They usually fail to neglect they have overstayed their visas as well.

Our Southern border is 1000x worse. Biden is a traitor!

I hate that ....it's Polaks....


Yeah, worry about your southern border, not about genuine refugees from Ukraine, many of which have helped you to become the great country that you are.

I do. Hence, sarcasm.


Simple. Attack Russia and run to Germany as refugees. There...problem solved.