Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 5

@Novichok
When the first one of those goes back to Ukraine can you please just fvck off and die? Really. No one GAF about your opinions any longer.

I'd be happy if he just acquired a sense of shame....

I did.

The war is about to change quite dramatically in Ukraine's favour.
Shhhhhhhhh.....I have inside info....... ;-)

As I said, if you really believe that Russia will give up C, D, or L, my NY bridge offer still stands.

I think Lithuania is better place to invest some extra in advertising of your offer. ;)
Shhhhhhhhh.....I have inside info....... ;-)

What are these homeopathic amounts of MiGs supposed to do?

I just checked, and Russia has - between the Air Force and Navy - about 240 MiG 29s of different types (interceptor, training, naval). Despite possessing them in these kind of numbers, these MiGs are not very helpful to us at the moment. The reason? We make air defense systems that are just too good, and our Ukrainian cousins have a lot of them.

Surprise, surprise - we have even more S-300s and S-400s than they do. In fact, they don't have any S-400s. The freshest S-300 they have was manufactured in 1989. The same applies to the rest of their BUKs, OSAs, etc.

Seriously - what the hell are the poor Ukrainians supposed to do with these 4 planes?

Poor, dear Bobko, don't you know that you are never supposed to ask questions that require logical thinking on the part of the asked if the asked is an emotional Russia-hating Pole?

Looking at the big picture and later at my crystal ball... Both say that Russia will never, ever give up C, D, and L because - and here is the biggest irony of them all - the Western propaganda MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE by lying about those apocalyptic Russia's war casualties.

The idiots lied themselves into a corner so badly that now even if Putin got Alzheimer's and wanted to retreat they wouldn't let him. Not after what Russia paid so far - really or according to Western lies.

Surely you meant an emotional Russia-loving Pole? The question was addressed to me, the greatest Russophile on PF.

@Bobko

As for the MiGs - every little helps. When Ukrainian army bursts into C, D and L like a bulldog into a hen house, those MiGs will provide some air support for the massive offensive.

First of all, dear Kania, MiGs cannot and will not supply air support for offensives. They are air superiority fighters. That is, they are meant to shoot down other planes, taking advantage of their speed and maneuverability. A MiG 29 is almost entirely useless in an air-to-ground function. For that, there is the Su-24, Su-34, Su-35, Ty-22, and so on. Of those planes, we have another couple hundred (or maybe over 1,000). Ukraine has unfortunately lost most of those, and cannot source them from some friendly Slovakia or Slovenia.

Attack helicopters are also useful for supporting ground offensives. The American Apache, or the Russian Hind and the Hokum-A (Black Shark). Ukraine has also lost all of those.

Basically, everyone in the West is too polite to tell the Ukranians that they cannot give them anything, air-wise, that will be in any way useful for this meat grinder of a war where both sides can shoot down anything that flies higher than 100 meters off the ground.

Of course it can, my dear Bobi. Ukrainians have been using MiG-29 armed with American AGM-88 HARM missiles to destroy, among other things, your S-300s. Also, being a high-class military specialist, you know better than me that MiG-29s can provide close air support with S-24 rockets.

And eventually 20 planes from Poland and 12 from Slovakia - with loads of rockets - is not such a "homeopatic" number. :)


We have about 30 of those. Not sure why we still keep them - they should already be in Ukraine.

Intended for suppression of radars. Not all that useful for supporting an offensive push, in an area saturated with shoulder launched missiles.


You are opening some new horizons of military thought. The S-24, conceived and designed in the decade after WW2, is an UNGUIDED rocket with an engagement distance of some 2-3KM. In your fantastical scenario, a MiG-29 descends from the sky, points its nose at a column of Russian tanks, and unleashes a barrage of unguided rockets. Wow! I don't think even you can imagine an air superiority fighter acting like a Su-24 or A-10 warthog. What are you smoking?


This would, in fact, represent serious concern for us. Thankfully, you're in a minority of voices calling for this at the moment.

I'm just thinking outside the box. A lot of things are possible in war - even if they are not described in Soviet war manuals. :)


They will listen to us eventually. All the post-Soviet stuff should be unloaded in Ukraine, all the spare parts, ammunition and technical support provided and a lot of popcorn prepared.

Might as well. We made it, and we will digest it.

It will be simpler to budget for what you have left, once the Czech and Bulgarian rats sell everything we gifted them.

Ah, Bobko - the eternal optimist. But what the hell - have it your way: you "digest" all that, you army rolls a blitzkrieg in the next week, Ukraine surrenders and the entire world is "shocked and awed". Even in this phantastical scenario Russia ends up a huge loser and a Chinese lap dog forever. A sad end to a once great country.

A Western European's famous last words.

Your country, Kania, has an incredible ability to reconstitute itself. Three partitions, and a multitude of occupations later, Poland thrives and prospers as an independent state in the heart of Europe. It has proven every single doubter wrong over the last 270 years.

Why would you refuse this perseverance to a brother nation?

Is it perseverance or imperialism though? Was your existence as a country ever at stake? No, your nukes guaranteed your freedom and independence - two values that you are now willing to sell to the Chinese, just to be able to continue the war against a nation that is as close to you as they are to Poles. Mind boggles.

OK, gotta go do some work for a change. Take care, Bobi.

Russia is an idea. As a specialist, and I grant you this (because you are), you should understand. Without Ukraine, Russia cannot exist. So they may not have bombed us, or attempted to cleanse us, but the West still stabbed at our heart.

PS - A good day to you, and a good weekend colleague.

Though sh*t.

If you are a lousy spouse you have to take into account that your wife/husband may leave you. Then you can either accept it and move on or you can turn into Russia and stalk them, threaten them and finally attack them

@Lenka

Your analogy is a nice one, but one might argue that there are some important differences between spousal conflicts and relations between states.

Edit: I wish you posted more. You are a rare voice of reason here.

So you better get used to living without Ukraine - because what you have done now means they will hate you for 3 or 4 generations.

They were tired of living in your orbit, of living the Russian way of life, essentially criminality, 19th century capitalism and serfdom.

Russia could also join the modern world but the population don't seem interested.

Yes....

The thing is, russia can survive as a country without Ukraine.

russia cannot survive as a bandit empire (new CCCP") without Ukraine....

Sick country full of primitive and sick people who simply want to spread their misery to others....

Twaddle. It existed between 1991 and the illegal and unprovoked invasion of 2014 without squatting on Ukrainian sovereign territory.

Even if Muscovy won (which it won't), they would be illegally occupying a country of 44 million people hostile to them.


Why do you think countries geographiclly close to r*SSia hate it so much?


And they're recruiting penal battalions again, this time directly from their government without Pighozin who seems to have been marginalised.

1020 orcs dispatched yesterday.

youtu.be/VJcnuZB4Xt4

This video is only 4-minute long. Watch it, maf, and tell me what gave you the reason to call them sick.

Almost forgot...Russia didn't like the idea of 14,000 dead Russians. Those weird girlie Russians...So sensitive...

And that fake Minsk agreement...

then they shouldn't have fvkking invaded Ukraine in the first place!

See what a genius I am? I solve the problem while the greater udmurtians shoot apartment buildings and schools in Ukraine.

russia has no strategic interests in Ukraine that Ukraine doesn't agree to....

russian spirituality: a 'priest' kicks an old lady selling flowers.... that your idea of a beautiful culture?

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1639186631516200962

Russia has 1000 times the interest in Ukraine compared to the US interest in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Vietnam, and Korea. And now Taiwan.


Hey, genius, I meant the 14,000 Russians killed before Feb 2022 by the Kiev "democratic" gov because "democratic" Kiev didn't like the idea of self-determination if applied to C, D, and L.

Everywhere else, self-determination is wonderful.

Don't even try to give me any crap about "illegal referendums". The UN and Western "democracies" could have easily organized those but didn't. If you ask nicely, I will tell you why.

OK, I am glad you asked. They didn't organize any referendums because these m-fu*ckers knew the outcomes.

The people killed in Donbass were mostly Ukrainian civilians and some Russian mercenaries. All of the died because Russia invaded Ukraine.

And a planeload of 298 mostly Dutch, Malaysian and Australian travellers including 80 children.

The r*SSian animals that both shot that plane down and those which ordered the shooting will face justice eventually.

Plaing stupid?
One more time...14,000 were killed by the Ukrainian government BEFORE Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb 24, 2022.
Russia had the same right to intervene in Donbas as NATO did in Yugoslavia.

Actually, more since many of the dead were Russians...


...as opposed to the US animals that shot down the Iranian plane?

We aren't talking about Iran or America.

We are discussing r*SSia's illegal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine and Poland's response to it.