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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6



Alien
30 May 2023  #481

Because Russia is Europe

I disagree here. russia is just learning Europe. Unfortunately, the results of this study are not visible. What you can see, however, is reminiscent of a civilization of some Asian steppes.

GefreiterKania
30 May 2023  #482

Try acting half as big without hiding behind America's back.

No problem. The EU has to strengthen its nuclear arsenal and that's it. In all other aspects Russia is a dwarf in comparison.

"We will not expand a single inch eastwards".

Not this old nonsense again. As for being cunning and making you sick - cry me a river. Życie to nie bajka, nie głaszcze cię po jajkach.

You want to be independent, but can't make a single step without waiting to see the American reaction.

I'm not sure if you're talking about Poland or the EU but in both cases you're wrong.

Korvinus
30 May 2023  #483

We are Russians.

If Russians want to be respected like Americans they should begin with having actual competitive elections, not Supreme Leader Putin Popularity Festivals.

Also, at least a minimal level of rule of law would help. Not that USA is perfect in this regard, but still their courts are mile ahead of Russian ones when it comes to impartiality.

Otherwise they'll always seem like a typical Eastern satrapy. People may sometimes fear an Eastern satrapy but they'll never respect it.

Korvinus
30 May 2023  #484

Would the US tolerate Russian or Chinese military bases in Mexico?

Cuba was a Soviet ally since the sixties.

And yes, US stopped Russia from installing missiles there. But then, US had no plans to put missiles in Ukraine. Just like it did not place missiles in Poland (NATO member since 1999) or in Estonia (member since 2004) from where it's really the fastest way to Petersburg.

And how would Russia be threatened by Ukraine joining the EU or NATO? Russia has nukes so no country will attack it in the same way no country will attack the US and threaten it existentially. Do you have any evidence from any NATO country where they have threatened to attack Russia. And NATO countries are already on the border of Russia. What I want to understand is how was Russia threatened by Ukraine joining\aligning with the EU. I am looking for specific details?

Velund
30 May 2023  #485

actual competitive elections

That ones in which final ballots, necessary for someone to win elections, SUDDENLY added after polling stations is closed?

Novichok
30 May 2023  #486

SUDDENLY added after polling stations is closed?

The latest American invention. I wonder if we have a patent for it...

Novichok
31 May 2023  #487

Inside the 'Bakhmut meat grinder': How Russia forced Ukrainians to retreat from Artyomovsk, their supposed 'fortress' in Donbass
Nine months of fighting for a symbolic site in Kiev's attempt to regain control of the region have ended with another triumph for Moscow's forces

That's the title. As always, comments are really fun...

The greatest battle of the 21st Century was won by a private military force.

80 years ago the USSR liberated Artyomovsk from the German fascists. Yet had to front up and do it all again.

The Picture of the Russian & Wagner Flags is going to be as the Red Army hoisting the Hammer & Sickle over Berlin!

Basically a private army patiently and methodically defeated the NATO-backed army and its mercenaries.

Biden will be forever remembered as the man who lost the battle of Bakhmut. That's bad!

Now I know for sure that silence can be deafening...

cms neuf
31 May 2023  #488

"Another triumph". - remind me of the ones I missed LOL

Won't be long before they point one of those Ukie drones at a troll factory. Probably you boys will be out on the roof, half cut from the morning vodka ration, trying to shoot it down with your WW1 rifles

gumishu
31 May 2023  #489

where Naryshkin is publicly dressed down by Putin for having doubts.

then you Russian people have not very good idea what makes a good leader if Putin managed to convince you he is one

We don't suffer from a messianic complex.

yeah - as Putin elloquently said: "What is the point of the wordl existing, if there were no Russia"

Korvinus
31 May 2023  #490

That ones in which final ballots

Your knee jerk reaction to your country being called crap is desperately trying to find anyone else looking bad

mafketis
31 May 2023  #491

trying to write himself into Russian history as one of its greatest leaders

To go into russian history... you need to make sure there will be a history to write.
This insane idea has done more to hurt russia than the evil russia-hating west ever could... tens (if not thousands) of young breeding age males dead, hundreds of thousands left the country to probably never return. Long term structural damage to the economy and an unprecedented collapse of international prestige.... and for what?

Nothing. Ukrainians aren't russians and don't want to be russians and don't want a close special relationship with russia.....
It's over. There is no path to russian 'victory'.... it's an illusion.
Leave while you still have a country to go to.

Novichok
31 May 2023  #492

Leave while you still have a country to go to.

Right now, it's the UA that is an aggressor Russians are trying to expel.

GefreiterKania
31 May 2023  #493

it's the UA that is an aggressor Russians are trying to expel

Expel them from their own Ukrainian territory? So, the Germans were just trying to expel Polish aggressors from Warsaw and Cracow in 1939, and French aggressors from Paris in 1940!

I had my doubts before but now I see that you are just a wind-up artist. :)

Novichok
31 May 2023  #494

CDL is Russia now. Whose visa would need to go there? Russian or Ukrainian?
There you go...It was simple, wasn't it?

GefreiterKania
31 May 2023  #495

CDL is Russia now.

Says who? Russian aggressors who occupy it, just like nazis occupied Norway, Netherlands and many other countries? It didn't make the Norwegians or the Dutch aggressors. Stop talking nonsense.

There you go...It was simple, wasn't it?

Oh, so that was your attempt at sophistry?! :D :D :D

Novichok
31 May 2023  #496

Stop talking nonsense.

Stop evading. Whose consulate do you go to to get a visa to visit CDL?
Please do not insult me with: Why would I want to visit CDL?

GefreiterKania
31 May 2023  #497

Whose consulate do you go to to get a visa to visit CDL?

Irrelevant.

You would need a Nazi Germany visa to go to Amsterdam, Warsaw or Prague during WW2. None of that made those cities "German" or Poles, Czechs or the Dutch "aggressors". You are making even less sense today than you usually do.

jon357
31 May 2023  #498

488
"Another triumph". - remind me of the ones I missed LOL

Yes. If losing 40,000 orcs, a huge number of tanks and now cowering in rubble with the Ukrainian Army in possession of all the high ground around them is a "triumph" for r*SSia, then more of these 'triumphs' please.

mafketis
31 May 2023  #499

ussians are trying to expel.

From XEPCOH?

Novichok
31 May 2023  #500

You would need a Nazi Germany visa to go to Amsterdam, Warsaw or Prague during WW2.

Bad example, GK. The difference between the Germans in Warsaw and the Russian army in Mariupol is that people in Warsaw didn't want Germans in Warsaw.

Did you catch my point or should I give you the full version?

Novichok
31 May 2023  #501

Children, today Granpa Rich will explain the meaning and the proper use of the word "occupation". No, I don't mean what people do for a living.

You see when a foreign army enters a country and the people living in that country hate that army, it's called "occupation". For example, the German army in Poland in 1939 occupied Poland until the brave Red Army told them to please get the fu*ck out. Sorry, that was a bad word. That was occupation and the German army was the occupier.

When the Russian army entered Donbas, people in Donbas were happy and didn't feel they were under occupation. Today, if Poland tried to remove the Russian army from Donbas, people in Donbas would be sad to see the Russian army go since Poland is in cahoots with the Kiev scumbags who shelled them for many years.

This means that the Russian army in Donbas is not an occupier but a protector of good people in Donbas. Please pray for them and wish them well.

jon357
31 May 2023  #502

From XEPCOH?

They'll be lucky if they keep Moscow at this rate.

So far this week, r*SSia has demonstrated that:

1. It can't protect its border (the incursion into Belgorod)

2. Its airspace is open for attacks, even above Moscow, where air defence, jamming, and electronic warfare capabilities are supposed to be superb (drone attack on Moscow)

3. Its most intense missile attacks cannot penetrate Ukrainian air defence.

4. It has been unable to destroy Patriot systems.

5. Its aircraft are vulnerable even above their own territory (4 aircraft downed above Belgorod)

6. It took them 10 months and tens of thousands casualties and all its military strength to make progress in Bakhmut

7. Its regular military units are incapable of advancing without Pighozin's convicts.

cms neuf
31 May 2023  #503

Might have been the case in 2014 but since then they have set up a gangster state, sent all the young men to the front in second hand tracksuits with no ammo, defecated in the gardens, stolen their cars and trashed a once healthy economy.

The Donbassians would rejoin Ukraine in a heartbeat if anyone had the decency to ask them.

Novichok
31 May 2023  #504

6. It took them 10 months and tens of thousands of casualties and all its military strength to make progress in Bakhmut

No, sweet little boy. Bakhmut was from day one set up as a grinder designed to make Z troops die in large numbers. Russia's tactics is to kill, not to hold land since the dead enemy poses no threat. Duh!

You see, sweetie, pushing the enemy out is no guarantee that the enemy will not come back.

Once the enemy is dead - 50,000 UAs in Bakhmut alone - the probability that the dead enemy will launch a counterattack is so low that it's practically zero.

Now, have a cookie...

GefreiterKania
31 May 2023  #505

The difference between the Germans in Warsaw and the Russian army in Mariupol is that people in Warsaw didn't want Germans in Warsaw.

Oh, so the good people of Mariupol invited the Russian army to bomb their children and were quite happy when Russians razed 90% of their city to the ground? Interesting theory.

jon357
31 May 2023  #506

was from day one set up as a grinder

By Ukraine.

Keep taking the Copium tablets.

The rest of us will watch the orcs die, as they died by the thousand in Bakhmut.

Novichok
31 May 2023  #507

Oh, so the good people of Mariupol invited the Russian army to bomb their children and were quite happy when Russians razed 90% of their city to the ground?

No, just as the good people in Warsaw didn't invite the brave Red Army remove the German army.
Liberations like these are not by invitation, dear GK. The only thing you can do is watch and try to survive.
The question today is: Which army the good people in Mariupol would like to see in the streets of Mariupol: Russian or Ukrainian?
Before you post something poetic and, thus, really stupid, read it twice.

mafketis
31 May 2023  #508

o the good people of Mariupol invited the Russian army to bomb their children

The good people of Mariupol chased the russians out in 2014.... which is one of the reasons that the city was destroyed (that collective narcissistic rage again....).

Novichok
31 May 2023  #509

youtu.be/h9RwYPsVpfM

The good people of Mariupol chased the russians out in 2014....

These were not the good people of Mariupol. Those were armed Z men. No part of Ukraine is 100% pure ethnically.
You want to switch to Crimea, I am cool with that...

Do the good people of Crimea see the Russian army as occupiers? No bs essays...

They sure don't look terrorized and occupied...

mafketis
31 May 2023  #510

Do the good people of Crimea see the Russian army as occupiers?

Please go there and conduct a street poll yourself. I'm very anxious to know the results so you should get packing as soon as possible.


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