Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6

Most of them apparently do.
Despite the fact that Crimea is the most ethnically Russian part of Ukraine(60%) they were happy under Ukrainian rule and most have no wish to become part of the Russian state.In fact most younger Crimeans felt Ukrainian despite their ethnic background.

So, please, no more BS Rich.

Thank you for my healthy laugh... ;)

You can laugh all you want but it's true,you just can't face it.

That claim calls for evidence. Do you have any?
The only evidence that matters is a referendum or a poll done in 2014 before the annexation. Ukraine had plenty of opportunities to blunt the referendum organized by Russia by having their own.

you mean the "referendum" where one district had more 'yes' votes than residents? that referendum? the one that even Girkin admitted had to be carried out at gunpoint?

again, you urgently need to go research this and I suggest you depart for Crimea as soon as possible!

maybe you could ask your beloved russia for asylum and never have to set foot in the US that you hate so much again!

novi to russia! novi to russia! (let's get a chant going) novi to russia!

There was one polling station where the number of voters contained a fraction.

They'd told the person at the count what percentage margin they wanted and she interpreted it a bit too literally.

No, I mean the referendum the UN and Western 'democracies" could have organized but didn't because the Western lying bastards knew what the outcome would be.

So they left it up to Russia - to be followed with "It's fake!!!!". Well, you had your chance, you slime...

looking at a mirror after realizing you 'love' the side that bombed a theater full of children?

it's impossible to be a good person, look at the conflict and be on russia's side.

ignorance is no excuse, it's like being against freedom and for slavery....

what went wrong with you?

Why didn't Western "democracies" along with Kiev organize a good referendum in Crimea and Donbas?

The bastards knew that the locals didn't want to be part of Ukraine. The m-fu*ckers even called them "separatists" - as opposed to stayukrainians or at least freedom fighters.


Don't get personal. You will lose that fight.

@mafketis
I am guessing loss of family member(s) or personal tragedy that happened due to the policies and decisions of the ruling elites in America, with a typical reaction as with doctors giving remedies and solution with regard of the symptoms and not the root cause, due to it being too difficult or time consuming to properly fix or unable to on their own.

Just like a fat person blaming a person mentioning their weight instead of the injected suger in most foods due to a cheaply produced addiction creating supplement that also helps with prolonging decay of food.

Some people just refuse to acknowledge the real evil that is affecting humans everywhere and are able to turn weak and feeble minds. Mostly due to their lack of imagination or functions to notice or sense the spiritual realm.

Just like blaming the tools being used to murder somebody, instead of holding the murderer accountable or the environment that pushes for it to create said murderers.

Banning guns? Less murders by guns, more by knives! Banning knives? Less murders by knives, more by strangling with bare hands. People need to learn

Please stick to the subject of the thread

Why would "the west" go around organizing referenda on someone else's territory ? Why would they interfere in a peaceful country ? Anyway there will be plenty of chances to test these rules in the next few years as lots of regions and autonomous territories will decide it is time to say goodbye to the Udmurtian thieves - probably with Chinese support.

And if they did so in Kosovo 25 years ago it is because of Serb aggression

To promote democracy, freedom or expression, and the beauty of self-determination.

I said: Western "democracies" along with Kiev - just as Western spy agencies and Soros NGOs helped organize the 2014 "revolution". If they can organize a revolution, they can organize a referendum or at least a poll to later claim that the Russian referendum is not a true reflection of what the locals actually want.

That's why...my dear child...I am glad you asked.

He Ukrainians organized that themselves - they were tired of living like Udmurtians and being taken for granted by lazy Soviet thieves

Just for you since you are cute in your Polish naivete ..Quoting from:

cato.org/commentary/washington-helped-trigger-ukraine-war#

Washington Helped Trigger the Ukraine War

The magnitude of the aggressive moves taken by the Pentagon and CIA are just now becoming apparent

An article by Yahoo national security correspondent Zach Dorfman praising U.S. intelligence agencies for accurately predicting Russia's full‐​scale invasion of Ukraine inadvertently highlights the extent of Washington's military provocations in Ukraine during the period before the outbreak of hostilities. Those measures went well beyond the ill‐​advised political decision on the part of George Bush's administration and its successors to push for Ukraine's admission to NATO.

Earlier warnings from realist scholars that NATO's eastward expansion to Russia's border was poisoning relations with Moscow are finally getting attention in the establishment news media and generating a vigorous debate. A few analysts outside the realism and restraint camp even have conceded that trying to gain NATO membership for Ukraine may have been imprudent. But the magnitude of the aggressive moves taken by the Pentagon and CIA are just now becoming apparent.

It's really fun reading so do it yourself. BTW, that jovial guy in the red suit is really a sex pervert. Yes, it's all about NATO, my darling...

In the U.S., the news showed the "horrible" destruction in Moscow after the Ukrainian drone attack.

The most awful thing was the signs on the houses, which were in English. But that's no big deal, the American public will eat it up.

Newmax TV channel passed off footage of a collapsed apartment building in Davenport, Iowa, as a successful Ukrainian drone attack on Moscow

if you mean Newsmax TV from what I gather they are a fringe conservative Catholic channel - so their entire American public would probably swallow the propaganda - all 50 thousands of them


oh yeah, they are probably currently working on organizing a revolution in North Korea and China (since like 1992) - cheeky bastards

ok I was wrong about them - they are conservative but they are not Catholic - and their audience reaches 500 000 people for some of their programmes recently - people say they quit watching Fox News and switched to Newsmax (especially after Fox News dismissed Tucker Carlson ( I heard the name Tucker Carslon so he was definitely big but I don't know anything particular about his political views) )

Russia suffered a major defeat in the largest tank battle of the war...

youtu.be/XPmxaNe7qQs

... quite shocking how Russian ineptitude and refusal to change tactics led to such horrendous losses.

Who controls Vuhledar today? Russia or Ukraine?

Kirill Budanov, Head of Military Intelligence of Ukraine:

"Today the occupiers have a holiday: supposedly we have not kept our promise to enter Crimea before the end of spring. There is such a thing as a psychological counteroffensive. To imbue the enemy with the inevitability of defeat.

I believe that we fully succeeded in this. Purely psychologically we took the Crimea.

As a military man, I would say that this is sometimes more important than the actual confrontation with the enemy. This is an unconditional victory of our army, which will go down in the military history books," he said.

We were laughing like horses over the Ukrainian "purely psychological" victories that will go into the textbooks. ;) Although. Maybe in psychiatry?

Psychological warfare is very important.

Dude, if Russia wasn't so corrupt - it would mean Russia actually built a system that can be a model to other post-soviet countries. Ukraine would then copy what Russia did and join some economical and maybe even political alliance with Russia.

It was already kinda like that in the 90s. Ukrainian politicians just copied whatever Russia did. Russia did privatization - Ukraine copied as one example. And they copied Russia until like 2003-2004. By that time it became obvious they shouldn't have and should have copied Poland instead, if anyone.

Germany would not be able to carry two "storefronts of Europe" - Poland's "economic miracle" alone cost them a lot too much. ;)

Aaaahhh, the Russian envy - it tastes so sweet. Mmmmm... sooo sweeeet. Please, give us some more. :)

@GefreiterKania
Wait a minute... you telling us they been envious of our relationship with the west all this time?!

They been disliking Poland for the fruits given to it by the west?!

What the actual... -.-

Of course the Udmurtians know all about psychological warfare - they can't make precision munitions, they are too sloshed to drive their 1950s tanks in a straight line and their infantry has such poor discipline that they decided a good idea was to ring their parents in Omsk by cellphone and create a giant target for HIMARs.

But the one thing they can do is a sit a bunch of bitter middle aged losers in a damp basement with a crappy old North Korean keyboard and get them to troll the civilized world, all for a few thousand roubles and some meal tickets to buy grey gloop and disintegrating pelmeni every Friday.

Who controls Vuhledar today? Russia or Ukraine?

Schools in Donetsk abandon Ukrainian language - official
No class has chosen Ukrainian as an additional subject in the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), the acting head of the region says

The language is not banned in the republic, but local students simply didn't want to choose it as an additional course, Pushilin explained during a forum in Moscow on Thursday.

"There's an opportunity in our schools to study not just Ukrainian, but any other language because we have many Greeks, many Bulgarians, many Armenians," he told the audience.

If enough students express a desire to learn a certain language, a dedicated class is created for them, Pushilin continued.

"I'll tell you, not a single class could've been put together" when it came to the Ukrainian language, he said.

Not exactly a referendum but close enough...It seems that they are not going to be Ukrainians any day soon...

Poor uninformed kids...who don't read PF...

Collaborator with russian occupiers goes BOOM!!!!!!

Thus ever to traitors!

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1664739840242450433

RT again I presume. They didn't get a choice even before the 2022 invasion:

KHPG said that Ukrainian-language teaching was phased out in 2014-2016.

"This is very clearly a 'Russification' program," KHPG said.

The same has happened in Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula where Russia eventually shuttered all seven Ukrainian-language schools since taking it over in early 2014.

Currently in the parts of Donbas that Kyiv doesn't control, schoolchildren learn Ukrainian for one hour a week in comparison to up to five or six hours of Russian,

Many Ukrainian Internet sites are blocked in the separatist parts of Donbas and Crimea, and all Ukrainian television channels have been taken off the air.

rferl.org/a/ukrainian-language-donbas-schools/30165052.html