Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6

Europe is "primary beneficiary" of NATO.
1. It enabled and protected German unification without German rearmament, and prevent border clashes surrounding the dissolution of the USSR (like happened after the Russian, Habsburg and Ottoman empires died).

2. It disemboweled Yugoslavia, and prevented successor wars as in the above.
3. It stopped Turkey from sweeping the Balkans when the Warsaw Pact and Russian guarantees ended.
And after the 2008 financial crisis, Russia started acting up, and sure enough, in 2014 (lets ignore Georgia) they made a move on Ukraine. This reminded people NATO is useful. And now in 2022 it reminded even more.

So NATO is definitely not just about the US, in fact I would argue its benefits are greater to other countries because the US can easily stand on its own against Russia

NATO's chief benefit to the USA is as a nuclear non-proliferation treaty. NATO existing is why Poland doesn't have a nuclear program, and isn't doing stupid dares on TV right now.

@Korvinus

It is a win-win organization for all members. That is why more countries want to join and why current members want to stay. Even the notorious militarily independent-minded French.

The US is NATO and NATO is the US.
What you listed didn't require NATO with the US in it. You could have done all of it by youreuroself.

Most European countries wouldn't need to be in NATO to defeat Udmurtia in a conventional war. Certainly a mid size Euro state like Spain or Czech would wipe the floor with your slouching hungover army and their crappy old helicopters

There you go. I will like you even more if you say: We don't need the US, either.

Your bossman was running away from a few drunk convicts armed with pitchforks. Why the hell would we need Americans to help us fight your army - they are normally too pissed to put one foot in front of the other

Who are you responding to?

So, you are declaring that NATO proved their usefulness due to reaction of Russia to NATO extension (contrary the promised "not a inch eastward"). Nice, nice...

Looks like best service that Russia and China may provide to humankind is disemboweling NATO countries to a safe pieces, and prevent successor wars.

How on earth is Udmurtia disemboweling NATO ? You just proved that you are a banana republic run by corrupt morons.

Totally senseless to compare yourself to China - you are now their client state, an embarrassment to them. Something like Mussolini's relationship with your 1939 allies from the Nazi state, Germany.

hahha you're like the ruski boy who cried who wolf, only infinitely more pathetic.

And all Putin wanted was for Ukraine to be neutral and self-determination for DL. Z was ready to sign but the US and its poodle said no.

That's why, my dear children, there is a war over there, and many are dead. As a reminder, the West went to war for less many times before. For "democracy", of course...

BTW, it was not a coup. Pri got mad because Putin was too nice and too slow while Pri's men were dying. Even I knew that. That's why the cheers from ordinary Russians.

Wow what a weekend!

That's not what Putin wanted - he publicly stated he wanted regime change and annexation

Notice how Xi never lifted a finger to help his pathetic BFF. Putin is a true beta cuck

@cms neuf

It's difficult to understand your post.

For myself, I've been thinking that perhaps it's difficult for modern men to make sense of, or otherwise understand what has been happening in Russia these past few days. It seems more a task for the Ancient Greek tragedians.

The Greeks thought that sin was a product of hubris, or dangerous overconfidence. For the Greeks, hubris was intrinsically connected with ate - a sort of blindness to the concerns of others, or a delusion. A recurrent theme in Eastern European politics.

You are confusing East European politics with Udmurtian Banana Republic politics

Could you imagine in 2023 a private army marching on Bucharest or Zagreb or Vilnius ?

I guess Belgrade is one place it might happen

It's difficult to imagine Bucharest, Zagreb, or Vilnius having at their disposal a private army, which they can deploy to Syria, Mali, the Central African Republic, or Mozambique at will. It's difficult to imagine those on-the-whole insignificant capitals having such a powerful tool of international diplomacy at their disposal and others allowing them this luxury. Because that's what Wagner is, or was... rather. An instrument of Russian foreign policy, that allowed us to resolve issues which the currently international legal framework doesn't make easy to address.

As it came to be, this exquisite tool, while useful for many years, grew dangerously unwieldy. Then it blew up in its owner's face - or it didn't. We'll have to wait and see, if this was all a show or a true fiasco.

Caust Romania, Croatia and Lithuania aren't degenerate bandit states like russia that export violence and steal from other countries.....


You mean private mafia of oligarchs who steal from others while the placid russian sheep wait for their turn to be sheared (or end up in the dinner pot).


in other words break the law..... russia hates the 'rules based' internaitonal order because it makes it harder for them to steal (since larceny is the national sport)

The "rules based international order" is a joke. The rules are defined by the US. However, when it does something against the rules, it is immediately recognized as legitimate - because if the United States does something, then it cannot be illegal.

Every single thing we do, we do because the US thought it was its exclusive domain. Russians are annoying that way.

You like "Coalitions of the Willing" going into action with zero UN mandate? Hello, "Special Military Operation".

You think Blackwater is a nifty little tool of exercising influence at low cost? Introducing Wagner... the PMC that makes Blackwater look like a children's summer camp.

You like stealing other people's money? We can pass laws to nationalize every single asset owned by BP, Total, Eni, Exxon and Chevron. What will you do about it? Stage an invasion like in Granada?

What will we do about the appropriations of BP and Chevron ? Probably nothing except sanctions

But long term there will be little or no investment and trade with Udmurtia, whoever is in charge. So it is a huge own goal

You are right that the US sets the rules and it's not ideal, but from my small town in Poland it is certainly preferable to the Moscow rule years, and we don't need to queue up for sugar either

MUST SEE: RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR HUMILIATES BBC PUKE

WATCH

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the Russians took their gloves off and are now screwing them without pardon

Regime change is a necessary step toward a neutrality agreement. Would you trust a sob on a DC leash and payroll?


You are a liar. Quoting:

Beijing fully supports Russia's efforts to stabilize the situation in the country following the aborted insurrection by the Wagner private military company, the Chinese Foreign Ministry has stated.

"This is Russia's internal affairs," a spokesperson for the ministry said. "As a friendly neighbor and a comprehensive strategic partner of coordination in the new era, China supports Russia in maintaining national stability and achieving development and prosperity," the official added.

Learn how to lie better, little Polish boy.

Now, the world needs a new definition of "moron": A guy who lost everything and gained nothing other than an exile in Belarus.


You forgot me and Iraq.

Ah yes - the official words of the totally honest Chinese politburo, who said zilch when the tinpot mutiny was in progress.

They will no longer be sharing intelligence with Udmurtia as they know Putin will be only there for a few months and want to hedge their bets

In other news Ukrainian troops have crossed the Dnepr

We're better than you which is why we can do it. Seethe all you want.....
how many Americans would like to move to russia?
how many russians would like to move to the US?
how many russians in the US have real plans to return to russia?

the US = successful and attractive country, despite its many serious problems

russia = unsuccessful and unattractive country, despite its tremendous potential (always wasted cause all you care about is beating each other up and stealing from each other).

All the rest is window dressing and rationalization and cope....

Millions if they ever get the invoice to pay off the fed debt - the amount the corrupt swamp borrowed on their behalf and spent on NATO we don't need and ne*gro welfare we can't afford.

Now, with that invoice passed on to their kids and grandkids, life is sweet...It's known as kicking the bucket down the road, a little naive boy who hates math.

BTW, 30 trilion bucks divided by 150 million US workers is $200,000 per person. That is American prosperity...a debt-based mirage and very similar to the Polish econ miracle under Commies.

Almost forgot other debt like mortgage, consumer, student, corporate, and cc that adds another 30 trillion. You can adjust that $200,000 accordingly to $400,000. Nice...Right?

But it is Udmurtia which has defaulted on its debt. Even though it is 100 times smaller.

They are trying to issue Udmurtian bonds but obviously there are no takers - if you think that's a good opportunity then sell your supposed "Lexus" and fill your boots

You will get your June troll farm pay in government scrip - actual roubles will be carried in wheelbarrows to the empty grocery store by the end of this year LOL

Who said it to you and how much percent you are better than us?


For now I see opposite. Imported food actively replaced with domestic production, and lots of new brands on the shelves to choose from. Inflation is insignificant.

What is a "supposed Lexus"?

Why does every Polak feel it's necessary to pretend that he knows more than a typical public restroom lady? Is this a national pastime or a mental disorder?

Yes, Xi called some a-hole in Poland to tell him what China's plans are about Russia and the war.

Does it really matter? As long as you accept our superiority.... that's the main thing.

The biggest thing that makes us better than you is that we admit we have flaws and serious problems... which means it is possible to fix them.

russians aren't allowed (by their own fragile psyches) how messed up russia is which makes its problems unsolvable.