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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6



Bratwurst Boy
20 May 2023  #211

Hopefully not a second Bucha.....I wonder how many ukrainian civilians are left there.

mafketis
20 May 2023  #212

the Western volunteers that I wish the very worst

Cause they actually _do_ something rather than stew in their own juices?

Meanwhile in temporarily nazi-occupied Mariupol.... 150 russian recruits will be busy breathing dirt rather than hurting Ukrainains.... no I don't feel sorry for them, not a single one had to go to Ukraine.... they chose.... badly.

twitter.com/TimInHonolulu/status/1659800554867163136

jon357
20 May 2023  #213

Ukraine has already denied the claim and confirmed that their units are still fighting in Bakhmut

They have indeed and their account is more credible than that of the confirmed liar Pighozin who has made this same false claim on at least 8 different occasions.

Novichok
20 May 2023  #214

who has made this same false claim on at least 8 different occasions.

OK, what part in percent is under Ukraine's control today?

Velund
20 May 2023  #215

Rich, you're a drag. They were told in the media "Ukraine wins. You don't have to think, you have to take their word for it.

As to question you asked before - in private, it may cause too much butthurt here. ;)

Novichok
20 May 2023  #216

Meanwhile in temporarily nazi-occupied Mariupol....

You cannot "occupy" what is yours. Mariupol is part of the Russian Federation. Does Russia occupy Moscow?

Velund
20 May 2023  #217

You cannot "occupy" what is yours.

Yes, of course. Occupation ends at the moment of annexation. ;)

cms neuf
20 May 2023  #218

It doesn't matter if its 1 percent still in Ukie hands

Until it's safe enough for Putin to stroll around, it is not conquered

Novichok
20 May 2023  #219

Biden wouldn't "stroll around" the DC. Try harder...

mafketis
20 May 2023  #220

Occupation ends at the moment of annexation

Like XEPCOH?

cms neuf
20 May 2023  #221

Biden has at least visited Ukraine - like most other elected leaders of the free world

It is only murdering dictators who cower in their bunker or arrange fake photos with their own security dressed up like characters from a Chekhov play

Novichok
20 May 2023  #222

Quoting RT.com:

Ukraine's Deputy Defence Minister Hanna Maliar said on Saturday the situation in Bakhmut was critical, with the Ukrainian troops maintaining a defence in the southwestern part of the city.

I am told that Ukraine is winning so what's really going on...

Novichok
20 May 2023  #223

youtu.be/3ciBVUxh1ws

And Z-P is still 0. All the deaths and destruction to make US MIC fatter and US taxpayers poorer...

youtu.be/rJKLF2MlRSQ

Even Poland has had enough...Time for Plan B, Mr. Z.

jon357
21 May 2023  #224

It is only murdering dictators who cower in their bunker

Putin has a network of secret tunnels under his kleptocrat's mansion. They won't save him though.

mafketis
21 May 2023  #225

All the deaths and destruction

All that is on russia and supporters of russia.... this was an entirely unnecessary war that was completely unprovoked (collective russsian mental illness and dreams of grandeur are not Ukraine's responsibility).

Korvinus
21 May 2023  #226

It has currently been 130 days since the Ruskies have celebrated the fall of Soledar and claimed that Bakhmut will also rapidly fall.

Bakhmut has today been fully captured by Russian forces.

The defense of Bakhmut has been, and continues to be, a highly successful defensive operation that has held the offensive focus of the Russian forces that has helped prevent Russia from making any meaningful advances elsewhere the entire 10+ month defense while also contributing to the success of the Fall Ukrainian offensives and likely the coming Ukrainian offensive as even now Ukrainian counterattacks in the Bakhmut area are forcing Russia to commit reserves to the Bakhmut area to try to stem the Ukrainian advances. The defense of Bakhmut has also inflicted heavily disproportionate losses on the Russians, who were once again forced to advance through a heavily defended urban area rather than being able to encircle and bypass it.

The defenders of Bakhmut have more than accomplished their mission, and I salute them.

Novichok
21 May 2023  #227

All that is on russia and supporters of russia....

In April of 2022, Z and Russia were ready to talk. The scum in the DC and London said no fu*cking way are we going to allow peace talks. So there you have it...

and dreams of grandeur are not Ukraine's responsibility).

Even in the US, a country that loves wars, nobody is stupid enough to claim that Putin wants to resurrect the USSR. Only PF Russian haters are that stupid.

The defenders of Bakhmut have more than accomplished their mission, and I salute them.

How many successes like Bakhmut can Ukraine afford?

jon357
21 May 2023  #228

Bakhmut has today been fully captured by Russian forces

It hasn't.

Not according to the President or Minister of Defence who spoke just short of an hour ago.

johnny reb
21 May 2023  #229

It hasn't.

It has.

GefreiterKania
21 May 2023  #230

It has

Don't panic, lads.

It's an obvious trap. They drew Russians deeper into the city like a gullible unsuspecting mouse. Now Ukrainian cats will attack from the flanks and eat the silly mouse.



Novichok
21 May 2023  #231

Now Ukrainian cats will attack from the flanks and eat the silly mouse.

Dead cats can only smell bad after a couple of days.

I have this feeling that if Z himself said on BBC that Bakhmut is in Russian hands PF Russia haters would say Z is a Russian lying tool.

Some mental dereangements are not curable. Like Poles' desire to feel superior to Russians.

Korvinus
21 May 2023  #232

Some mental dereangements are not curable. Like Poles' desire to feel superior to Russians.

Lol, so much projection in your post. But besides that: Russia is retreating; Ukraine is advancing. Bakhmut is literally the only significant gain Russia has made since July of last year, and it took 10 months of actively trying to take the city while during that same time Ukraine liberated multiple cities larger than Bakhmut.

Novichok
21 May 2023  #233

Lol, so much projection in your post

I don't have to project. PF Russia haters' posts are direct evidence. I didn't call Russian "mongols", "barbarians", and "orcs".

Russians here and out there have more class and freely admit that the Ukrainians are fierce and worthy opponents. I didn't say "enemy" deliberately. Their enemies are in the DC and Londonstan.

Russia is retreating; Ukraine is advancing.

Then you can calculate the speed and project when CDL will be in Ukraine again. Go ahead, "project", and give us the ETA when you are done...

Bakhmut is literally the only significant gain Russia has made

You excluded one major if not the main gain: killing a lot of Ukrainians. Russia's tactic is slow attrition, not blitzkriegs or shock and awe. Russia knows that Euros are ballless chickenshits who, like Poles, talk brave but will do nothing other than dump mil stuff they don't need on their proxies in Ukraine.

Do you know why you don't need any tanks, artillery, and F-16s? It's because you are on the American military welfare and because you know damn well that Russia has zero interest and no capability to be a threat to you with your 6 to 1 advantage.

Korvinus
21 May 2023  #234

Then you can calculate the speed and project when CDL will be in Ukraine again. Go ahead, "project", and give us the ETA when you are done...

Bakhmut would be a victory for the Russians if they were able to break out and threaten the Kramatorsk/Sloviansk line.

But Russia has even problems securing the flanks of Bakhmut, let alone break out. It looks a bit like Stalingrad, where the city was also captured at unreasonable cost and then the whole campaign collapsed. Russia can still hope to defend what they have but even that looks doubtful now because they have a rag tag army and are not learning anything. I think at this stage Ukraine knows that they do not have to break through and make sweeping advances because the Z Army will eventually collapse somewhere, if both sides keep fighting the same way for some more time, the entire house of cards may fall down when the Russian army revolts.

Novichok
21 May 2023  #235

the entire house of cards may fall down when the Russian army revolts.

I admire your super-human ability to predict things. Mere mortals would say if, not when.

Bakhmut would be a victory for the Russians if they were able to break out

I would leave it to the Russians to decide if Bakhmut was a victory or defeat.

Did you figure out the ETA of the UA liberating Crimea?

Crnogorac3
21 May 2023  #236

As per Prigozhin, the last ukrainian soldier escaped from Artyomovsk in a woman's dress 😁

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Crnogorac3
21 May 2023  #237

Proukrops

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Velund
21 May 2023  #238

the last ukrainian soldier

Not the last, one more small group found, hiding in the ruins. Encircled, being neutralised.

Novichok
21 May 2023  #239

Encircled, being neutralised.

I am bad with euphemisms.

You have to hand it to the Russia haters here...No matter what happens, Ukraine is winning. When the last Ukrainian platoon runs for their lives, they are "encircling".

For the record, with the exception of woke trans morons, I don't want anyone to die - Russians or Ukrainians

Crnogorac3
21 May 2023  #240

Correct

⚡️Statement by Prigozhin:

"Not a single Ukrainian military was left in Bakhmut, because we stopped taking prisoners, there are a huge number of corpses of Ukrainian military, said Prigozhin, head of Wagner PMC.

Therefore, Vladimir Aleksandrovich Zelensky is cunning, or is not aware of what is happening on earth"


twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1660274455774470145


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