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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8



Torq
5 Dec 2023  #631

Russia

By the way, why did Russia leave Armenia high and dry? Yes, you're engaged in Ukraine but surely you could have spared a division or two to keep those pesky Azeris at bay?

Bobko
5 Dec 2023  #632

Yes, you're engaged in Ukraine but surely you could have spared a division or two to keep those pesky Azeris at bay?

...

There will come a time to ask those f*ckers the full price.

Torq
5 Dec 2023  #633

*fingers crossed*

Do you think NATO will allow Poland to join the crusade? Probably not... bummer. :(

PolAmKrakow
5 Dec 2023  #634

@Torq
Wouldnt it make more sense to leave NATO for the US before Latvia is absorbed into Russia? This way, the US has a choice to either get involved ot not. Ask most Americans to find Lativia or the baltics on a map and they will end up picking their nose. 95% of Americans will never step foot in Europe. They just dont care. Ukraine looks like a dumpster fire as a government. I will not be surprised at all when a bunch of high end government officials are in the UAE without extradition agreements.

Bobko
5 Dec 2023  #635

@Torq

Imagine how the geniuses in Azerbaijan feel as they are reading the news right now.

Better pucker up boys.

Torq
5 Dec 2023  #636

Wouldnt it make more sense to leave NATO for the US before Latvia is absorbed into Russia?

What America does will probably become increasingly irrelevant for the EU, as we become militarily more self-sufficient. Just tip me off before America decides to leave NATO and give up their superpower status, so I can sell my American stocks before they take a huge nosedive.

Maybe then the EU will make some sort of a deal with Russia and we will be able to go on an anti-Azeri crusade together. ;)

Better pucker up boys.

He he :)

jon357
5 Dec 2023  #637

so I can sell my American stocks before they take a huge nosedive.

I shifted mine years ago due to the paperwork. Gold is rising as I predicted; a sure sign of instability to come.

Maybe then the EU will make some sort of a deal with

Would you want that?

Mr Grunwald
5 Dec 2023  #638

@PolAmKrakow
After ww2, Truman doctrine focused on halting or at least slowing down spread of communism (mainly spread by Soviet Union and Communist China)

Post 1991, such need was no longer in need and was swiftly exchanged by War on terror.

Now we are sitting in a situation post-corona, where a lot of things that were thought of as unthinkable. Are now very real and present in our lives.

The need for U.S.A to stay in NATO is indeed diminished, cause only reason for U.S.A to have military forces in Europe is for American businesses to be protected from a Russian take over. However, if Europe is focusing on pushing out America in every possible via the E.U. U.S.A will then see those businesses as lost either way, and will have to decide between warring on Europe or leaving it to their own fate in the potential clutches of Russia or China.

If U.S.A will be able to negotiate a deal with Russia and China, it would be to U.S.A's advantage as migration from Europe to U.S.A would then increase if Europe would fall for Russia.

That is if elites and citizens in America won't fear or believe that Russia+China would try and invade Homeland U.S.A.

It would work within next 50 years, but next 200? Who knows.

American presence is likely to diminish from Europe if European conflicts are escalated and increased unnecessarily over time. Especially if it would cost more then benefit.

U.S.A has more of potential allies in South Korea, Japan and Poland. Then France, Germany or Spain

Russia and China knows this and testing the waters for American resolve and plans.

Torq
5 Dec 2023  #639

I shifted mine years ago due to the paperwork.

These days there's no paperwork involved at all, the fees are very low, and the return is quite decent if you don't panic and hold for the long term. Unfortunately, this may change when the US goes into "splendid isolation".

Would you want that?

To kick Azeri arses for invading the oldest daughter of the Christian church? I suppose I might be tempted. :)

jon357
5 Dec 2023  #640

These days there's no paperwork involved at all,

I found it a drag, and disliked it on principle.

Plus of course there are ethical issues about investing in companies in a country where workers have basically no rights, no paternity or maternity leave, only a couple of weeks off work each year, and little or no job security.

To kick Azeri arses for invading

6 of one and half a dozen of the other in that conflict.

Crnogorac3
5 Dec 2023  #641

The real number of ukrop losses so far leaked on a Ukrainian TV channel 1+1.
It's 1126652 killed in action or missing in action.



twitter.com/i/status/1728811218176032814

1

jon357
5 Dec 2023  #642

The real number

No, you got it from social media where someone made it up.

Novichok
5 Dec 2023  #643

Hey, stupid, don't say "no" unless you know what "yes" is. So what is the real number?

If what I just said is too complicated...If some moron says 2+2=5 I can say no because I know it's 4.

jon357
6 Dec 2023  #644

No it isn't.

Velund
6 Dec 2023  #645

Hey, stupid

Rich, do you know nickname that had Vyacheslav Molotov and Andrei Gromyko after him?

Novichok
6 Dec 2023  #646

No, I don't but I assume it was not nice.

Bratwurst Boy
6 Dec 2023  #647

However, if Europe is focusing on pushing out America in every possible via the E.U.

Who wants that?

Especially since Russia's invasion of a european country and threatening others I never heard such ideas anymore....

cms neuf
6 Dec 2023  #648

Here we see the Udmurtian mindset - long claims that other countries are involved in naked territorial aggression (not true) followed by a promise to sort out the Azeris just as soon as they finished sorting out the Ukies.

They see their neighbors as pawns, not separate countries - they forever think it's 1913 and are obsessed with projecting power rather than making anyone's life better

Mr Grunwald
6 Dec 2023  #649

@Bratwurst Boy
France has been a very keen player to fight Americanisation of Europe, not to mention Macron's shameless trips to Moscow and Beijing... Germany having the need to foster good relations with France has to accept resolutions that back France on this knowingly or unknowingly I guess.

During these times and situation it's very risky!

Bratwurst Boy
6 Dec 2023  #650

During these times and situation it's very risky!

I know that....and I guess most Europeans have understood that....I haven't heard anything from France about that anymore.

You must'n mistake the very reasonably wish for a more stronger european common defense to shoulder our own part of the western security more and better with the wish to replace the US. That makes right now no sense, as you very well said, this situation is very risky!

Crnogorac3
6 Dec 2023  #651

merc

Canadian mercenary Brad Stradford and American mercenary Eric Vargas were eliminated yesterday at Avdeevka. Hundreds of other bodies abandoned by the Ukrainian army are being examined.

Bratwurst Boy
6 Dec 2023  #652

....how does that work with merceneries? Are they paid by Kiev??? Or are they there to support ukrainian cause....

Velund
6 Dec 2023  #653

No, I don't but I assume it was not nice.

It was "Mr. Niet" ("Mr. No"). Looks like we have new pretendent to this nick here.

Alien
6 Dec 2023  #654

Canadian mercenary Brad Stradford and American mercenary Eric Vargas were eliminated yesterday at Avdeevka

...and the Ukrainians liquidated the real russian general, Vladimir Zawadski. A small thing but it makes every Ukrainian happy.

Crnogorac3
6 Dec 2023  #655

Two can play the saboteur game.....

southfront.press/russian-saboteurs-destroyed-post-of-ukrainian-border-guards-in-chernihiv-region-18/

Russian Saboteurs Destroyed Post Of Ukrainian Border Guards In Chernihiv Region (18+)

On December 2, another successful operation by Russian sabotage group on the Ukrainian territory was revealed. A military position in the Chernihiv region came under attack. Russian group approached the hideout unnoticed and destroyed a group of Ukrainian servicemen and border guards. According to the Ukrainian reports, at least three border guards were killed, another one was captured by Russian forces.

'Bad News' Coming From Ukrainian Fronts (Video)

s4.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/video/04.12.2023_IMR_Ukraine.mp4

Captured M2A2 Bradley IFV

Crnogorac3
6 Dec 2023  #656

NEW UKRAINIAN CAPTIVES SHOCKED AT RUSSIAN HOSPITALITY

WATCH

bitchute.com/video/STuBKeTcOkkU/

more dead Nulandists/Kaganists

BRUTAL SCENES AS RUSSIAN FORCES TAKE YET ANOTHER UKRAINIAN TRENCH SYSTEM

WATCH

bitchute.com/video/82z3WSm0MzIj/

Crnogorac3
6 Dec 2023  #657

A French CAESAR 6x6 Self-propelled Gun(seen by the front) was destroyed by an Russian Zala Lancet Loitering Munition.
This is the 3rd Confirmed Destruction of such. 5th Confirmed Loss
Illinka, Donetsk Oblast


twitter.com/WarVehicle/status/1732071101524504873

Novichok
6 Dec 2023  #658

...and the Ukrainians liquidated the real russian general, Vladimir Zawadski.

...who served his country.
Those two were morons who died in the hope of writing a book and 15 minutes of fame. Or something even more idiotic like "freedom and democracy".

PolAmKrakow
6 Dec 2023  #659

I dont think the EU wants to get the US out of the block at all. If anything, the majority of members would want a larger US presence. A NATO without the US is really a much more organized EU defense force, which could lead to an EU joint military. Thats whats needed to keep Russia at bey. I would think the EU would be happier if the US cleaned its own house in order to become stronger for everyone. Isolationism isnt going to happen in the US, but a refocussing will. Its in the US best interests to keep the US functioning as a world leader. It is because of constant waring over the last 60 years, that money has not been spent in the US where it should have.

If Poland were to spend trillions of dollars on wars, and not built hospitals, roads, and affordable housing, there would be marches in the streets every day. Rightfully so. But when its done in the USA, it is somehow not in the USA best interests to take care of the people are actually paying the taxes. Strange concept. Most Poles would vomit if they new how much taxes we pay in the USA. Federal, state, local city, property, income, and sales taxes. Make 100K a year and you are lucky if you have 52K left after Federal and State taxes before you have to pay the rest. Make 100K a year in the US and you cannot get a mortgage to buy the average priced home right now. But hey, we need to send more money to Ukraine so they can feed corruption, and pay their bills. Really fvcked up thinking.

Alien
6 Dec 2023  #660

Those two were morons

I would call them idealists and warriors for a just cause. The general, however, was just a disgusting invader who needed to be eliminated.


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