Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8

Who in the West is going to be hit first and why?
What is the ultimate Russian objective?
Does Russia have any plans to attack East, South, and North? Why only the West?

And, finally, how do you alone know all that and what do you suggest the US should do? Strike pre-emptively?

Do you mean already outdated shells and bombs from Soviet arsenals, that was not destroyed, but reconditioned and put to right use instead? ;)

BTW: Gliding modules for old free-falling bomb is real breakthrough... Cheap and effective, in some cases cost is negative (gliding module is cheaper that safe disposition of outdated bomb used with that module). ;)

Russia within the borders of 1991.


Russia do not need Poland. There is only one thing that excuses the existence of Poland and Poles as a nation - "Va Bank" film.

then get out of Ukraine! Nothing was taken from the Soviet Republic of Russia..... as it existed in 1991.... if you mean a return to the soviet union then.... I don't know if that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard but.... it's in the top 5%... not gonna happen, ivan.

We already have a messiah complex and Stockholm syndrome.

Now we need a name for the lunatics who without a blink can go from "Russia is pathetic and weak and can't take Kiev" to "Russian empire".

@Velund
I am talking tanks and all the old sh1t hardware. Russia still has enough modern missiles and making more, to be a problem for Ukraine. I am a realist Velund. I want Russia to lose, but I call it how I see it.

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/08/ukraine-biden-strategy-us-aid-russia

Another great leftist take on things. CNN for the UK is saying Biden fvcked up. Its time all the Biden cheerleaders see the truth and start to reformulate a plan.

I have it...UK, Germany, and France attack Russia and cease to exist in the next 45 minutes.

Ukraine? There is no such country. It is 404 state

Probably a Baltic country, their armies are small and they're convinced they can rush and make a new occupation a fait accompli...

This from reading a few pro-putain russians in English and things that come from russian media monitor....

The question is which one.... Latvia and Estonia have larger russian minorities but Lithuania borders occupied Królewiec and they have a major h@rd on about the suwalki gap....

There or Moldova.


Fortunately armed to the teeth, which of course raises two points. One is that NATO are determined to defend it, the other is that they see it as a vulnerability.

r*SSia also has its eyes on the Artctic.


Of which you aren't.

The ones that was PURCHASED by Russia and later secessed by armed force with German help and "recognized" by Bolsheviks that rejected legal succession of the Russian Empire?

All in the past.

Same as Alaska purchase.. Isn't it?

Purchased from who?

I finally know what Russia - a country spanning 7 time zones - has to do to become "an empire". Just take Latvia.


I am working on it...

I got it...I will join the morons who to annoy PF Russians by spelling "Russia" as "Iamastupidfaggot".

Two purchases - one in 1721 from Swedish Crown (2 mln joachimstalers, comparable to couple of yearly budgets of empire), another in 1795 from Count Biron (500 000 golden roubles plus lifetime pension). Both sellers was legal owners at moment of purchase, and in both cases paid in full.

Except Estlandia, which was gained by arms...

Wrong. Estlandia was included in Niestadt treaty as well. Russia got Estland, Livonia and Vyborg region, Sweden got money and Finland in return.

Moldova is not a member of the EU or NATO. The Russians can have it. US does not GAF. Putin is not invading any NATO country, anyone talking like this is just full of $hit. The truth is, the EU and NATO are afraid, the US will leave them on their own. The truth is that the EU and and NATO without the US would get steamrolled by Russia. But you know, its important for the US to save face and save the EU. Such concepts do not fit into todays world. These old fvcks in the US dont care unless they are making money off of the wars, and the the young people in the US care even less.

.. until plundered completely and there is nothing to get except large landscape features and hordes of brainwashed m0r0ns. ;)

You are aware their building naval ships up to aircraft carrier size 5x the rate of the usa right? as for their their cyber warefare and ai tech whoa, no wonder elon musk made friends with the saudis to buy twitter and fund his other ventures.

Ok now I know you're crazy.

I don't subscribe to this stupid plan.


Despite what nutcase Constantin thinks, this is the truth.

It's an absurd proposition to begin with.

During the entirety of the Cold War, both sides did everything possible to avoid a direct fight. Now, when we have more in common than what separates us, it would be sheer lunacy to attempt to erase each other.

To understand why going from an invasion of Ukraine to invading a NATO country is such a huge leap of logic, just study Russian history. Ukraine is most dear to us. More than Kosovo is for Serbia (though they also say some large part of their ancestral homeland is in Kosovo).

I said it many times, but will say it again - separating Ukraine from Russia, is like ripping Russia's heart out. There's no such feeling towards any NATO country.

also that hypersonic missile tipped with multiple nuclear warheads is pretty world class, a few years ahead of the ruskis, yanks struggling to catch up. luckily for the western world ie us they pretty peaceful atm.

You really think after the hollowing out of the US manufacturing base, thanks to hilary and walmart , and then feed them oxytocin and fentanyl, usa can keep up? yeah zombies wandering in tent cities in san fran CBD and u dare call yourself a superpower lolzo

As the classic said: "Nie wydaje mie sie". :)

Russia can't even steamroll the corrupt-to-the-core Ukraine, armed with a hodge-podge of second hand post-Soviet sh*t and old western surplus (or, in many cases, surminus :)). What chances would they have against more modern and more numerous EU armies? Especially that the EU economy is not even in the war mode (if it was, Russia would be panically mass importing diapers from Iran and North Korea xD).

The EU/European NATO would inhale Russia through one nostril and snort them out through another.

Your overestimating of the US power and the contempt you show towards Europe is getting tedious.

WTF? Just like Ruskies are 'steamrolling' the Ukraine? Russia in basically 2 years has failed to defeat a country thats military budget was 10% of the Russian military budget and is now fighting behind a defensive line and there is a stalemate.

Without the US it could be destructive and bloody, before Russia is beaten into submission. With the US, KGB Dwarf would not dare to attack.

That's the whole point. PAK's hesitation about funding Europe shows the USA has already lost. It's not about Russia, It's Not about Ukraine.

It's wether USA is a Superman in a UniPolar world or just another player in a MultiPolar World.\\

It's the end of the how George Bush Snr famously put it. "The New World Order."

Now it's the new, new world order.

Kania, Kania...

Ask some Russian military people in the 90s and early 2000s, and they would say that in terms of quality Russia is far behind Ukraine.

During the Cold War, Russia had the crap-tier rear formations, which were essentially skeleton units. Most had at best half their "on paper" strength. They were supposed to be rapidly buffed out if sh!t broke out, but it never happened.

The best and most capable formations, equipped with the newest kit, and most competent staff - were in GDR, Poland, Baltics, Ukraine.

Among these - Ukraine stood out, like a 400LB black girl on a seesaw, opposite a Thai anorexic.

Strongest air armies, strengthened divisions, dense air defense, copious artillery, not to mention nuclear missiles and strategic bombers.

Ukraine had so much leftover stock, that it kept them in the top weapons exporters in the world up to 2014 - even though they barely produced anything new since 1991.

Ukraine had the armies that were supposed to destroy NATO. Now we are destroying Ukraine, which is supplied not just by the entirety of NATO, but also by Japan (not an insignificant country), South Korea (another heavyweight), Israel, and others.

I think PAK is right, if not for enormous US aid (in weapons, the EU is ahead in $$$), we would steamroll Ukraine.

You guys ran out of stocks just helping Ukraine. Not sure how you planned on fighting us without Uncle Sam.

@amiga500

Exactly.

It looks like they lost their balls (Afghanistan castrated them heavily).

That's why Europe needs to get plenty more of our own nukes to reach the MAD potential on our own, and then move in with the conventional forces to end this sad farce. It's about time Europe emerged as the main global power as we always should be.

Move in where?, unf Zelensky and Borish Johnson were wrong when they thought that superior western tech would smash the ruskis, thanks to that Bucha real and psyops. Ukraine as a neutral buffer state would have been the best outcome for europe. Too late now, now the ruskis are going to fight till they humiliate the ukris.

365 days ago I would have clapped my hands and danced around the room.

Now I'm pissed it takes you folks this long to digest information.