Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8

@PolAmKrakow

You silly guys...

Biden... or Trump - will not win this war for Ukraine.

The difference is:

1) Biden says he will support Ukraine for "as long as it takes"

2) Trump says he will get a peace settlement in "twenty minutes".

It's anyone's guess what this all means.

Edit: F*ck Trump. If he thinks he can waltz in and get us to do a deal under some threat.... Not saying we should resort to nuclear sabre rattling, but the mere suggestion seems insulting.

Bring it on, f@ggots! All you do is talk talk talk threat threat threat.... squawk!!!!

Nuclear war might be worth it if it could rid the world of the vile contagion known as russia....

boring and tiresome.... can't even threaten in an original way...

You're making the classic mistake of paying attention to what he said and not what he did..... he talked a lot about a wall on the border and after four years.... no wall.

He talked a lot about withdrawing from NATO and made it stronger.

Pay attention to what they way and pay attention to what they do and solve for the difference.

Trump could have been effective on Feb 21, 2022. Even a month later before that British wh*re, bojo, nixed peace. Today, Trump can only deny the funds and arms.

But, since Western Europe is rich and strong, what Trump decides as president will not matter, and Ukraine, together with Germany, France, and the UK will kick Russians out and bask in the victory over evil Mongols very soon.

BTW, I am trying my best to confuse the hell out of them here...How did you like my Bobko impersonation?


I hate it when you are right - with a minor correction. We added 47 miles of it...The chicken wire is still there - just in case chickens decide to ask for asylum.

Children, when you get up, please read this...the shortest explanation of why Ukraine lost half of its population and 500,000 dead or crippled.

Crimeans voted to join Russia in March 2014 after the coup in Kiev.
The new Ukrainian government then sent troops to quell dissent in Donetsk and Lugansk.
After two of Ukraine's attempts failed, France and Germany negotiated an armistice in Minsk.
Last December, the leaders of the two countries admitted that the Minsk process had actually been used to buy time for Kiev to rebuild its military and economy with the help of NATO. Russia took offense to this and that is why Ukraine is now a sad fraction of what it used to be.

No, this war was never about "freedom and democracy". It was about how to stick it to Russia without getting dirty.

Tomorrow, I will explain the meaning and correct use of "useful idiots" and "proxy".

@mafketis
The wall on the border was constructed and almost complete until Biden had pieces of it removed, and ordered the removal of other parts in New Mexico that were installed by the state of New Mexico. Biden then went and ordered sections to be welded open to allow illegal border crossing. Trump negotiated the withdrawl from Afghanistan with the Taliban, and signed the orders four days after losing the election. Biden extended the time to withdraw and it was a disaster. There is no mistaking what Trump or Biden has done. I am not a fan of either of these people. The fact is that Biden has destroyed the US with his policies. I hated Trumps words, and he was offensive to listen to, but the country was in much better shape with him. Imagine what happens if he wins next year. I prefer he doesnt win, but if he does, this war will end one way or another, and before he leaves office, the US will likely be out of NATO. Europe is not going to fight Russia on its own through Ukraine, and better hope little Vlad dies soon. While I would like to see Russia out of Ukraine, Biden needs to pull his sleepy head out of his a$$ and start doing something in the US before he will get any more money from Congress. And every day, Ukraine runs lower on ammunition.

"According to a CBP status report, the U.S. has constructed 438 miles of "border wall system" under Trump, as of Dec. 18. Most of that, 365 miles of it, as we said, is replacement for primary or secondary fencing that was dilapidated or of outdated design. In addition, 40 miles of new primary wall and 33 miles of secondary wall have been built in locations where there were no barriers before.

So the footprint of the wall is 40 miles longer than it was before Trump took office."
factcheck.org/2020/12/trumps-border-wall-where-does-it-stand/

"The Trump border wall failed for all the predictable reasons. Immigrants used cheap ladders to climb over it, or they free climb it. They used cheap power tools to cut through it. They cut through small pieces and squeezed through, and they cut through big sections and drove through. In one small section in 2020, they sawed through at least 18 times that Border Patrol knew about in a month. They also made tunnels. Some tunnels were long, including the longest one ever discovered, but some were short enough just to get past the barrier."

cato.org/blog/border-wall-didnt-work

@jon357
nypost.com/2023/08/22/border-patrol-admits-its-responsible-for-open-floodgates-in-arizona-border-wall/

Meanwhile in Ukraine, another Russian general has been killed, and five more Russian officials were killed in an airstrike. Ukraine also captured a Russian radar system and are now using it to track Russian ships in the Black Sea.

And their wall still achieves nothing but PR for the gullible.

Good news about the r*SSian General and even better news about the storm that have wrecked so many of their sea defences.

The last figure I read for daily 'meatwave' fatality was that it was averaging close to 800 orcs a day.

Russia's Supreme Court has recognized the "International LGBT Movement" as an extremist organization and banned it in Russia - RIA Novosti

Earlier, the Ministry of Justice sent a corresponding lawsuit to the court, which also demanded to ban LGBT. Signs and manifestations of extremist orientation, including incitement of social and religious discord, have been revealed in the activities of this movement.

@Velund
+1
Russia on the other hand will soon require anyone visiting to sign a document saying they will essentially respect everything Russian and not voice thier opinions other than in a positive manner. While making a law like this isnt surprising, having visitors sign a document before entry is. This also give rroom for more thought policing and what exactly is a violation of this new law is up for interpretation.

You made it up, you yourself were horrified by what you came up with, and you immediately condemned Russia for it. ;)

yeah, ;looking at my heart and the the big picture i have to kinda agreee. but then china gets involved and then ... boom boom game over.

It's like WW1 all over again for the Udmurtians - frozen young men dying for nothing while their leaders argue about homosexuals and foreigners.

There will be a mutiny this winter

The mutiny might be in Ukraine.

@amiga500
They are hauling men of draft age off the streets in Lviv for conscription now. It is not looking good inside Ukraine politics either with leaders arguing publicly through the press on whether or not the war is at a stalemate. There are so many Ukraine men in Krakow right now, all of conscription age, driving some very expensive cars and enjoying Christmas Market. Like they appeared over night.

It all started with Zaluzhny writing his op-ed in the Economist, and in parallel penning the longer academic essay. There he said the war is at a stalemate, and there will likely be no "big and beautiful breakthrough".

Within a few days, Zelensky's deputy chief of staff, gave a press conference where he said he found the idea of publishing such work "strange", and that he failed he to see how this could help.

A short time thereafter, Zaluzhny's personal assistant dies in a surreal accident, where he explodes a live grenade given to him on his birthday.

Some time later, Zelensky fires the head of Ukraine's special forces command, without notifying Zaluzhny, just a short time after Zaluzhny appointed a hand picked commander to lead the forces. There's some drama in the news for a few days, as a back and forth ensues between Zelensky's office and Zaluzhny's staff.

About three days ago, a Ukrainian MP, that sits on a defense committee, and is from Zelensky's party - Maryana Bezuglaya - called for Zaluzhny's sacking. In her public statement, she said Zaluzhny had failed to provide any kind of plan for 2024, beyond requesting 20,000 new mobilized soldiers monthly. She said the problem had been brewing throughout 2023, and has now come to a boiling point. This caused a furore in Ukrainian society, and many calls for her to resign.

Yesterday, the Economist came back with another bombshell. This time detailing the full on cat fight taking place within Ukrainian command. According to the article - Zelensky's approval has fallen from ~75% to 30%, while Zaluzhny's remains in the 70s.

Finally, Europeans and Americans complaining privately to Zelensky about cancelled elections (under martial law, elections are not possible in Ukraine - which seems reasonable).

Bottom line is: Ukrainian politicians are saying they are burdened with stupid commanders with Soviet training still in their heads, and Ukrainian commanders are saying they are burdened by the unrealistic expectations of the amateurs that have captured power in the country.

Democracy... has its flaws.

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wow a ruski moron surprised that the ukranians 80 percent like them. who would have thought? u do realise we're all the same tribe right idiot? even the bosniaks.

The further west you go, the more intelligent the slavs and society is/are.

Learn to read.

Only 30% of Ukrainians support Zelensky now.

The Chief of the General Staff, on the other hand, still enjoys broad support. As does the head of military intelligence - Budanov.

Flaw #1: The ruling mob doesn't give a fvck what "voters" think.
Voter (def.) - an obedient bootlicking moron who is allowed to push a couple of buttons every four years to validate the mob as "democratic".

@Novichok

You know the Polish saying, "gdzie dwóch Polaków tam trzy opinie"?

Well, the Ukrainians have a very similar one, that goes like this, "где два украинца, там три гетмана". It means, "where there are two Ukrainians, there's three commanders."

They're a rowdy bunch, and overthrowing their own governments is somewhat of a national sport.

It could be part of Putin's strategy to just wait until Kiev goes into yet another scheduled meltdown.

The general outlines of what this meltdown would look like are now becoming clearer. I would say these are the main pain points:

1) A rolling mobilization is not winning Zelensky many new voters. If the war continues to go badly, this issue will feature more and more in the daily news digest from Ukraine.

2) Zelensky is between a rock and a hard place, because while there is pressure to stop the waves of mobilizations - there is also immense pressure from the opposite side to really boost mobilization. This pressure is coming mainly from the families of men that are already serving, in many cases for 20 months straight - without rotations to the rear, or without more than a few days of leave. The expectation is that the entire burden of the war cannot be placed indefinitely on their shoulders, and that new men should take their place.

3) Money! As PAK has been pointing out - money is running out. Ukraine spends the entirety of its budget on military needs (about $42B vs around $121B in Russia). The non military portion of its budget, like healthcare, pensions, state salaries, and other social programs are paid by US and EU aid. If US aid collapses this year, Zelensky will either have to redirect money away from the war and towards social support, or simply not pay for welfare. Something tells me, the decision will be made in favor of the military. This is a ticking time bomb under Ukrainian society.

4) Finally - the oldest cliche in the book - a brewing conflict between an unpopular elected leader and a military commander that is largely viewed as a hero. Whether this is fair, or deserved or not - doesn't matter. It's a serious problem for Zelensky.

Which makes them superior to russians who love the lash of the Tsar on their backs....

Bobko, as always, I read your posts with great interest. The problem I am still struggling with is this.

In 2014, Western warmongers helped turn Ukraine from a neutral country to one that is hostile to Russia with amazing ease.
Was there a reason why Russia could not return the favor and reverse things back to what they were before the "revolution" without going to war?

I mean, how many top guys would you have to neutralize to do just that?

If I had to answer this question I would say that by making the liberation of C, D, and L non-negotiable, Russia knew that a simple counter-revolution was not an option and that Ukrainians were patriotic enough to be willing to fight back to keep Ukraine whole and intact.

I would appreciate your comment.

Kyrgyzstan had:

1) The so called Tulip Revolution in 2005, which followed on the heels of the Georgian "Rose Revolution".

2) The 2010 Revolution, where the hero of the 2005 Revolution was ousted, and the region's first woman was elected interim president.

3) The 2020 Revolution, in which a guy was released from jail by a mob in the middle of the night, and then shortly after elected president.

In a sense of being "freedom loving", the Kyrgyz can give a head start even to the Ukrainians - who only had the Orange Revolution in 2004, and then the Euromaidan in 2013.

Do you think the Kyrgyz people are happy they had three revolutions since the year 2,000? How have incomes diverged in Kyrgyzstan, from neighboring Kazakhstan (which has had an autocratic ruler from 1991 to 2020)? What has the effect of these three revolutions been on foreign investment flows and the local business climate?

Putin points at countries like Kyrgyzstan and Ukraine, to warn Russians regarding what is at stake.

I suppose Putin got scared. Can't blame him really - it was a different time, perhaps.

He made a stab at Crimea, as soon as the sh!t started really burling in Ukraine, and it came almost too easily.

Then, encouraged by what was happening in Crimea, pro-Russian separatists took control of several important provincial capitals. A ragtag bunch of rebels captured large swaths of the Donbass.

This was Putin's opportunity to end Ukraine there and then.

But he abandoned the people in Odessa, in Kharkov, in Dnepropetrovsk... to the cannibal authorities that came in on the wave of the Maidan. The rebels in the Donbass, he kept on a drip-drip life support line until 2022.

Instead, he entertained bs diplomacy from Europe in the form of the Normandy Format and the Minsk Accord conferences.

Ukraine in 2013 was a rotten house, waiting to collapse on itself. One kick from the Russian army, could've blown it apart. After all, we secured three regions without practically any bloodshed.

Over eight years Ukraine fortified the frontline, trained its troops, developed partnerships with NATO militaries, and received billions of dollars in aid.

So the answer is - Putin got scared. He wanted too much, to continue to be seen as a respectable member of the "international community". To be invited to G7 and G20 meetings. Now he's lost all that anyway, and we have a war on our hands where tens of thousands of our men are dying.

No... they were russians.


Since when have russians cared about that?


I know nothing of Kyrgyzstan so won't comment but what's the logic of pointing to Ukraine?

"freedom... horrible, horrible freedom!"

"if we don't invade a bigger more aggressive neighbor will invade us?" (China won't invade... it'll just take over big parts of Siberia)

So Putin did a Gorby impersonation...
This finally makes sense. Thanks.

Georgia, Kyrgyzstan, Armenia, and Ukraine had violent revolutions/coups, in which a legitimate government that had working relations with Russia was replaced without any consultations whatsoever with Moscow.

Russia has in those countries, military subcontractors, expatriates, and businesses. It has intelligence sharing agreements, military bases, and other extensive interests.

If you really need to stage a revolution - there's no way to avoid it - then why not call Moscow and say: "This has nothing to do with you. We promise to faithfully fulfill all the agreements signed by previous governments. We aim to continue developing friendly relations with Russia."

For some reason, most of them come in and before proceeding to destroy their national economies and consume themselves in intra-political fights - declare a "Euro-Atlanticist Agenda".

This feeds Russian paranoia that not everything is as simple as it seems, and that there may be a guiding hand behind it.

But to answer your question directly - Putin points at what the Maidans have done to Ukrainian living standards and basic freedoms.

Perhaps you need a refresher course on the meaning of 'country' and 'sovereign'.... countries are under no need to consult other countries when changing governments.

Even when it happens in extralegal fashion, including elements of violence?