Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 8

How much and for how long?


In the US, the cops advise to go #2.

They were thinking this...
1. Those ICBMs would be up flying on detection of enemy attack.
There is no need for number 2.


You, Euro parasites, can act alone and remove DC from the speed dial...

I doubt the Soviet rapiers were any less lice-infested.

@Novichok
Do one, coffin-dodging troll.

I will arm wrestle you any time, ass diver...

So what, r*SSia supporter?

How are things going in russia as it searches for its place in the sun?

russia has solved the 'chicken and egg' riddle.... first came egg shortages now chicken shortages

twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1745900351973154892

70,000 square meters of warehouse went up in smoke in St Pete...

twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1746190015758036998

loss of power (and heat and water) in big parts of Rostov-on-Don (11th biggest city)

twitter.com/ictusconfirmed/status/1746304842715251192

Now there is a 'blackout schedule' for the city (ie rolling blackouts?)

Aslo in Rostov.... apparently male prostitution now brings in more money than female prostitution.... (traditional values for the win! men getting paid more than women!)

twitter.com/NAFOrrest_Gump/status/1746428670648930771

In other words... things seem to be going pretty normally.... for russia....

Poland is Russia's next target on Putin's hit list.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/ww3-fears-explode-as-putin-ally-warns-poland-is-next-target-on-putin-s-hitlist/ar-AA1mVJyG?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=8777f49385024eb88a1d20a95d4c1439&ei=47

"The Poles have quieted down a bit, they probably started to realize that they are next."

Aleksey, Aleksey, Aleksey... dobri brate... *sighs kindheartedly in a Slavic way*

Poles realize that we would have been next, if Kiev fell in a couple of days in February 2022. However, the unexpected and heroic (I think everyone will admit that) defence that the Ukrainian army put up saved us and bought us some invaluable time. That's why, as much as we don't like the markings on their tanks...



... and as much as there are many historical problems and grudges between us, we will continue to support Ukraine, for very selfish reasons.

Also, the Most Honourable Member of state Duma, Mr Aleksey Zhuravlyov, certainly received a very careful and thorough education in his youth. Therefore, he surely realises that when "Poles have quieted down", it means that they are sharpening their knives. Also, I am quite sure that the words of our dear friend, brat Aleksey, were probably taken out of context by the sensation-seeking journalists. :)

Meanwhile, Joe Biden continues to lie and blame the Republicans for "blocking aid" when he refuses to simply close the border by Presidential order. It really is quite simple. Biden signed a Presidential order opening the border for illegals to come in and he only needs to sign another to stop it, then Ukraine will get 61 billion from the US. So, why wont Biden to this?

The rest of the EU and UK are again sending small amounts of aid. A nice move in the UK where volunteers sent 50 stocked ambulances to Ukraine is taking place. What is the rest of the EU doing by way of individual countries in 2024? Germany is whining that the EU and US need to do more. France is saying Ukraine is still a priority. Poland? Crickets. Sweden? Preparing themselves for a war. Slovakia, Czech, and the rest? We know where Hungary stands. So, why arent people complaining about a lack of EU aid and only about the US?

Poland is preparing for a war as well. And, I dare say, to a larger extent than Sweden. Show me another European country that spends 5% of their GDP on armed forces and purchases such amounts of weapons (mostly from America).

As for Ukraine, Poland is still supporting over a million of their refugees, paying for their health care, education and child benefits. Poland still provides technical service for Ukrainian weapons, sends medical aid, ammo and starlink terminals (5000 of them last month), and recently another batch of brand new 120 mm RAK self-propelled mortars was given to Ukraine. What the f*ck you mean "crickets"???

I never really liked your "happy gulag b*tches" joyfully optimistic version, but your new "crickets" stuff is annoying as f*ck too.

@Torq
He is merely stating the perception of Western media and what he can read in the Anglo-sphere, the blind being blind, the deaf being deaf is nothing to get angry over in my opinion.

Ever since reading about Roosevelt's reaction towards the report from Poland. This is to be expected from Americans, both low and high in my opinion.

@Torq
Poland spending 5% of GDP is completely new, and they had until now been spending what percentage of GDP? About 2%, and what was the NATO requirement? FO with your aattitude. Poland supporting Ukraine refugee's? Poland cut off services other than mecial a long time ago. Providing educational benefits? You mean providing benefits to people working in Poland with children attending Polish schools while they pay taxes? Poland isnt sending Starlink, Elon Musk is. Who supplied the RAK self propelled mortars? I really dont care if you like what I say or how I close my posts.

@Mr Grunwald
I read more European media than western media. I talk about what is really happening specifically from the US perspective that is as unbiased as you will see. The US has totally fvcked this war up by not giving Ukraine all it could at the very beginning. Joe Biden is a lying, dementia ridden loser of a President who fvcked Ukraine. Now he points fingers at everyone else when he could fix the problem with a signature. The western media take on Biden is that he is some special leader, when he doesnt take care of his own country first. Now that is fvcked up.

Had been helping Ukraine while everyone else was jerking off, so now is their turn, WTF?
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Poland paid for the fresh bunch of it and is sending oil and other supplies too. Poland is not the US what the hell do you expect?

Poland sent so many weapons that at the moment it was not enough for the Polish army.
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@PolAmKrakow


It may be new, but it certainly isn't f*cking "crickets".


It is, with billions every year - they receive all the social benefits that Polish citizens receive (regardless of whether they work or not). "Crickets" my arse.


Well, Poland pays for many of them. Altogether we bought 19500 Starlinks for Ukraine (including 5000 last month). "Crickets" my arse.

And we have been purchasing Starlinks for Ukraine from the very beginning of the war - here's an article from October 2022...

polskieradio.pl/395/7789/artykul/3054835,poland-funded-more-than-half-of-starlink-terminals-in-ukraine-report

"Elon Musk's Starlink terminals have been a "vital source of communication" for war-torn Ukraine's military, CNN has reported. More than half of them were funded by Poland. "

"Who supplied the RAK self propelled mortars?"

Polish military industry did (Stalowa Wola Steelworks). The first batch was given by Poland, and the latest one funded by the EU and US. The crews were given extended training in Poland and Huta Stalowa Wola provides free service, spare parts and repair for thems. F*cking "crickets", right?

"FO with your aattitude."

No, f*ck off with YOUR attitude. Poland is doing way more in terms of both preparations for war and aid for Ukraine than many other larger and richer countries, and here you are pulling those "crickets" out of your arse. "Happy gulag b*tches!" was retarded but this sh*t is even more annoying.

If the USA wants to withdraw from supporting Ukraine, then go ahead and do it but don't try to shift the blame on others, and certainly not on Poland who gave Ukraine enormous support (proportionally to GDP one of the largest in the world).

It looks like. But still, the attempts to shift blame on Poland, after all that we have done and are still doing, are nothing short of disgusting.

That is the way the political world works. Poland doesn't know how to play on that field. One of the reasons the PiS gov annoyed me big time with their milking dry emotional support for Ukraine to bust their stats in polls and not much else... F morons!

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@Torq
Poland went 30 years spending an average of less than 2% of GDP on military, only 9 times meeting the 2% threshold in 33 years. Most of that spending went to salaries, and not purchasing of new equipment. Now at 5% a bulk of those purchases pleged to South Korean arms that are largely unproven in the field. Thos SK contracts already on the Tusk chopping block, with the dream of creating more military manufacturing in Poland.

You want to quote articles from October of 2022? Really? Maybe something a little more recent than 15 months ago? Ukraine people are not getting all the social benefits of Polish citizens, you might want to freshen up your information. 500+ and other payment programs were cut off about a year and a half ago. All other social benefit programs scheduled for cancelation this quarter.

24 RAK mortars is nice. How many self propelled howizters have they received and from who?

There is no shifting the blame. The blame is at the feet of the EU for sucking little Vlads c0ck for so many years. For Germany holding back, France holding back, and every other state that waited for the US. You take offense personally for Poland, I get it and respect it, but all the Poles pointing the finger at the US can stick those fingers up their a$$es. I pay taxes in both the US and Poland, I have every right to complain when I see waste, indecision, and stupidity. Proportionate GDP? Thats like me telling the homeless guy in planty that the 100 zl I gave him for vodka is proportionate charitable donation for my personal GDP per day. How about proportionate death rates for Ukraine people due to the entire west, US included, not taking the course of crushing Russia a year ago when it could have? Happy gulag mother fvcker.

Exactly.

Most other countries sent some stuff from their old reserves, military warehouses, war-time stock etc. Poland sent rocket artillery, howitzers and tanks from our line units! Weapons were taken away straight from Polish brigades and given to Ukrainians. Most of the Starlink terminals in Ukraine were bought by Poland...

pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/12/21/7434089/

... including 5000 last month, and here comes some c*nt and talks about "crickets". WTF???


Wrong again. Ukrainians are still receiving 500+ and other benefits. They were take away only from those who left and do not reside in Poland anymore.

We are not. It is you who came here and pulled those "crickets" out of your arse. No country in the world has given so many weapons as Poland - we gave 300 tanks alone. If the US, France, Germany, UK, gave proportional numbers to their GDP and army size this war would have been over already.


Oh, and this too, is Poland's fault, isn't it?


Yeah, yeah. F*ck you too.

@Torq
All of the payment social benefit programs expire automatically after 120 days. These are limited payments only for new arrivals. The number of departures is extremely higher than the number of arrivals. Once they leave they cant get the money and cant get it more than once. Aid provided by Polish International Aid Centre is not through Poland it is an NGO.

And what about US defenses? The US is not depleting its own stockpiles? What about the 160 US military bases around the world that need weapons, ammunition and money? All the Polish chest thumping of how much they have given yet so many Poles here complain that the US hasnt given enough.

My complaint if you read my posts for the last 6 months is that everyone, Poland, the US and the entire EU is to blame for not beating Russia. Nobody has gone "all in" all the pussies pushing pencils making decisions disgust me. All the look at me and how much I have done is for attention seekers. So why TF arent all these awsome fvcking countries making moves to end this?

You depleted your stockpiles, we took weapons from our line combat units - that's the difference. And who do you think will need tanks on the ground when the sh*t hits the fan - the US or Poland?


Taking into account the resources and strategic capabilities, do you think it is fair to even mention Poland in the same sentence as the EU or the USA? Since when are we some sort of superpower to be expected to match the US or the entire EU. Poland as a country is up there with those who did the most for Ukraine, and it's not "chest thumping", it's a fact.


Well, I suppose nuclear superpowers (USA, the UK, France) could probably have risked and try to go "all in", as you say. For countries like Poland, who don't even have their own nuclear weapons, "going all in" would have been suicidal.

One way or another, arguing about the past is pointless and what the future will bring we shall see. My only reservation is - and I can see it happening already - that there will be attempts to shift the blame on somebody, and Poland as usual seems to be the perfect scapegoat. :-/

Oh, well... just don't mention crickets and we'll be alright, PolAm.

I'd say that Poland is fairly. well prepared for all such contingencies. and as countries go is rather good at that.


Us too which has led to a hug increase in production.


The British Army is far smaller in number than outsiders often assume, however it has one key strength; it is without question the best trained military in the world and the biggest gift we've given to Ukraine is training thousands of their troops.

@Torq
The US has 160 bases around the world. Biden is about to start WW3 in the middle east. You think those US stockpiles are not needed? While I think the US should let all of the arabs kill each other, the EU wants to keep accepting them. When was Poland scapegoated? Talk about blowing up a comment. Stop with the resources argument. Poland is spending out its a$$ to play catch up with new equipment. So is the rest of the EU. Poland combat lines are not even close to being threatened. Who do you think will have to supply those tanks to Poland when the time comes? Do you think the 60K US troops in Poland and the 50K in Germany wouldnt be manning the sniper positions? Does anyone really think Russia will invade Poland on the ground? What ground equipment will they have to do it? After losing this many men that is years from even becoming possible.

"All in" is sending planes and long range missile to Ukraine a year ago that would have taken out the bridge in Crimea, weakend Putin at home, and allowed for massive attacks on Russian positions. This war could be near over. So why isnt it? Because Ukraine and Z are not trusted. All the talk about helping Ukraine is only talk enough to see how far Z will follow instructions. He failed, and now the US congress is holding Biden and Ukraine accountable. Ukraine hasnt gone "all in" either. No full mobilization. No war time economy. Why not? I ask questions. If they offend you or anyone else, I dont GAF.

160!

Ask yourself why the US has those bases. Ask yourself whether it is beneficient for the US to have them or not. Also, ask yourself if it would be beneficial for the US to abandon those bases and return home, because that's what I've been hearing a lot from Americans here recently.


Yes, such possibility has to be taken into account (see johnny_reb's post #2320). And if Ukraine falls, it might be a question of 3-5 years after that.


Questions do not offend me. Nothing really offends me. There are some things that annoy me though, and they include denigrating Poland's effort and contribution to aiding Ukraine.

No, the reason is different and I am amazed you don`t mention it coz it is impossible you haven`t read about it before. I have seen dozens of articles explaining it.

The true reason for delaying scanty supplies to Ukraine is the West doesn`t want a full defeat of Russia in fear of causing chaos which might lead to another revolution and civil war there Then the nuclear weapons might fall into the hands of even bigger manic gangsters than the current Kremlin regime.

The West prefers the current Russian regime control their nukes.
That`s all.

Actually he was relieved of control over starlink after it turned out that he had cooperated with russia..... (you can phrase it longer than that but he.... cooperated with russia).


pretty much, but dim russians perceive the extraordinarily delicate treatment they receive(d) from the west as a great humiliation (because deep down they know how bad they suck).

Ooh that's a bold claim. Are you sure he just wasin't just taking too much k*tamine? Musk is what Musk does. He'll be the first man on Mars. Let's not forget, Starlink helped the Ukris out big time.

Ukraine wanted to use starlink to attack russian ships in Crimea, after discussions with russian officials(!) he said no.

reuters.com/world/europe/musk-says-he-refused-kyiv-request-use-starlink-attack-russia-2023-09-08/

Billionaires are never a positive thing. Except Ludwig Wittgenstein. He was OK, and certainly never held back on the battlefield.


Quod erat demonstrandum.

@mafketis
Starlink is owned and managed by SpaceX. Owned by Elon Musk, nothing has changed. The US cant take over a private company. The US government is mad at Musk for his control of it, and his allowing freedom of speech on X. There is no chance Musk loses control of Starlink.

@Torq
No, the US IMO does not need 160 bases. But lets get rid of most of them and see what happens to global security. Lets see what happens when the US is out of NATO. Poland denigrated? Where? Crickets is not a denigration, you just want to take it as one.

@pawian
The "west" wanting to keep Putin in power is not what the people of the "west" want. It is what the socialist globailists want. The people of the west want him dead and gone. France and Germany have said they dont want Putin embarassed. Boo fvcking hoo. No one is afraid of nukes. Z is not trusted, and that is what congress is saying, reports coming out only today saying that negotiations hinge on Z following orders. His own leaders question him now. This guy has turned into a dictator before our eyes and the people want to see Russia beaten so badly that the refuse to see Z for what he is.

If the US said they would supply all that was needed to beat Russia but Ukraine had to fully mobilize and move to a war time economy, who wants to bet that Z would make that happen?