Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9

So it seems part of the narrative is that the west is banning this interview because we are afraid of the truth

But of course anyone with two hours on their hands can watch this comedy. Putler is clearly a man who doesn't like being interrupted

Is the rumored first cut available anywhere ?

@cms neuf
I would type: Wywiad z Putinem
You can get english spoken with Polish subs or Polish speech.

I tried to dissect most of it, but could only bear 1,5 hour

Post of the Month!


Hey, stupid, Tucker didn't go there to argue or to nail him.
He went there to give Putin voice Western outlets somehow failed to do because Western outlets are who*res for hire trained to lie by omission.


Tell us where Putin lied or STFU.

Hey, PAK, how does it feel being the only one with brains?

and putain blew it big time.... he blew it more than a cr@kk vvh0re in a port town when the fleet gets in...... (too strong?)

I have to admit Biden's interviews are much...what's the word...can't think or anything to describe them...I must be slipping...

OK, I got it...Biden doesn't do interviews because he is (1) an azhole and (2) the azhole has dementia. Putin is God compared to that moron...

BTW, I wonder who would win if Putin decided to come to "America" and run for president as a Republican with Biden as the other choice...

Hardly. If Biden says something wrong, he is called out on it, with many citing his age.

Putin can make up lie after lie, go unchallenged in an interview and still people defend him.

You can't unpush that red button, genius...

@Mr Grunwald
Thank you for an intelligent well stated disagreement and not some emotional Karen bull$hit like the others. I understand he is twisting the history of Poland. I am not debating that his version is not the Polish version, and is not the US version. The history lesson was interesting though, and he delivers his message well. There is nothing wrong with recognizing those points. I have never heard him talk this much before and it was very interesting, along with his mannerisms and body language.

The WW2 history is not the point of why the interview took place.

Putin made valid and verifiable arguments about why he invaded. I dont agree that they were invasion worthy, but I can see how someone from his background might. The facts of the negotiations were very interesting and not once has anyone disputed those facts and that many things were agreed to. Not one time. It is clear he is willing to negotiate, and Z and the US are not. Russia is not giving back territory and there is no way Ukraine can take it back. No one military expert thinks Ukraine can get Russia out. So again, WTF is Z thinking sending men to die with no chance of success?

We cant trust what Putin says? And why would he trust what Ukraine, the US or EU say after two Minsk Accord agreements were broken and the fat kunt Merkel admitted that they had zero intention of honoring the second Minsk Accords? Putin lies. WOW Shocker. Biden, Trump, Obama, and every other president of the US lies too. So, again, if you dont have a discussion with the enemy how do you make peace?

Putin explained his neonazi stance. I disagree with how he describes it as being a neonazi country, but I can see how he arrives at these claims. If Ukraine is putting up Bandera statues and other statues of Uklraine people who killed Poles, Jews, and Russians then he is right they should be taken down. If you celebrate these killers, you may as well make the Nazi salute. If you have holidays for them, then FO you get no sympathy.

All the leftists here say they want Russia to lose. Ok. For me, Russia losing is and always has been beating their army to a point where it cannot be a threat. If taking back land was a part of that then great. If not, the US and Poland owe Ukraine ZERO. A man who sends men to die, knowing they cannot be successful in their mission is just as much a criminal as the man who started the war.

@PolAmKrakow
Your welcome

This invasion is also performed with metaphysical reasons (which is why he talked about history)

It's not some occupied Japanese island in the pacific, it's one of the heartlands of the Rus (which political powers in Moscow has a perspective of being their origin and wish to restore it, despite some of it's former inhabitants refusing it)

Just like France, Germany and Benelux countries have similar/same legitimacy to Charlemagne's Empire.

Putin tries to portray himself as a willing peace negotiator and the victim of Western expansionism.

He forgoes, and ignores Ukrainians wish to become more EU and inside of NATO (while saying it's no issue to Russia. Which is a lie) and pins the entire Maidan as a CIA operation. (They were certainly involved, but most of the maidaners surely were not connected to foreign intelligence services, but only some of them)

He ignores as to why he was opposed in Ukraine and why Ukraine does not want Russia in any shape and form in Ukraine. Cause he would have to admit defeat to the west being more attractive to most people due to better economy.

It's a continuation of the Cold War mentality and economic competition between SU and U.S.A, he is simply just too much KGB with the detriment of his own country.

He is unable to accept Soviet Unions fall, it's even seen in the interview. He simply can't accept defeat, so he won't accept defeat in Ukraine

The main reason for the invasion was that russians like killing Ukrainians.... all the rest is post-hoc rationalization.

Who said you this?

The main reason I come back to this forum is my curiosity about how moronic a post can be and what response it will get...

The contest has a clear leader... It's you...
I will hand out the Moron of the Day award at 4 pm Chicago time. Stay tuned...

@Mr Grunwald
IT is obvious you watched the whole interview. I respect your opinions though mine are a little different on some points. What I found interesting what the third election in Ukraine that took place and was not authorized by the constitution. Very interesting and I had zero knowledge of it before. The American Indians still have a claim on all of the United States, and every black person in the US has a claim on Africa. History is not an indicator of the future.

We know what Putin is. Yet, we do not acknowledge what our leaders are, and they arent some group of innocents. These Minsk Accords are a real problem. NATO expansion is a real problem. No one denies the Putin claims about the Clinton story concerning NATO. NATO did promise not to expand, and then said it wasnt in writing. Not exactly world class diplomacy there. EU membership for Ukraine, not so much a problem.

Really though, should Ukraine be in NATO? No. Should they be in the EU? Only after they can get rid of the corruption. If they cannot rise to the standards, then they shouldnt be allowed in.

Morons come up with this crap on their own. I call it "mental farts"...something that just comes out by accident and without effort...


Just as expanding the Warsaw Pact to Mexico or Cuba would be.

For refusing to conclude Minsk agreements, Z should be charged and executed. This son of a bi*ch cost Ukraine its very existence.

@PolAmKrakow
Some members of NATO gave assourances to the SU. SU/later Russian leadership ignored however the wishes and wants of it's ex-Warsaw pact members. They pushed with all they could and did all possible services they could and gave the necessary arguments to join NATO.

NATO caved in to that, as it certainly was part of broader integration, investments and other things.

Many of these countries willingly and voulentary gave away access to riches, exploitation and lucrative deals with purpose of joining EU/NATO.

Ukraine is learning why the hard way

Russian state officials complaining about NATO/NATO getting larger gives as much sense as horse driven carriages complain about railroad being dominant economically.

It's a conflict of interest, duh! State of Russia has nothing against state of Russia. Guess what most other countries do. Cause their not Russians.

If Poland would be telling Canada to have state sponsored schools on any arbitrary seen reason, Canada would react negatively (Just as Lithuania has been doing)

At this day in the past....

81 years ago Ukrainian nationalists started the Volyn massacre

On February 9, 1943, the first mass murder of peaceful Poles was committed in the village of Paroslya Pervaya, Rivne region. On that day a hundred of future UPA under the command of Georgiy Perehynyak, a fellow villager of Stepan Bandera, slaughtered the villagers with axes.

A total of 179 Poles were killed at that time. Five months later, the massacre of the Polish population began throughout Volhynia. It peaked on July 11, 1943 - on that day UPA militants attacked 150 Polish settlements at once.

@Mr Grunwald
When Russia absorbs Belarus completely, and then expands its border with Poland and the EU, will we complain that Russia is coming closer to our borders and is now a threat? We know that is going to happen sooner rather than later.

We cannot keep pointing fingers at Russia without adressing how we fvcked the Minsk Accords deliberately. The US also needs to answer why, if this war was so important, didnt Ukraine get all it needed immediately to actually have a chance at pushing Russia out?

The truth of everything lies somewhere in the middle of both sides. And I dont believe either side at this point. If peace can be made, it should be made.

Wanna find who let the secret out?

I want to kiss you!

Forgive me for all the past occasions on which I may have said something to you sideways.

You are a model citizen, and an asset to America.

P.S. I will keep reading further in the thread.

@Velund
And Ukrainian was filmed saying "Smiert Lachom" during border protests, big pile of yes we know.

@PolAmKrakow
As long as Russia does not mind or protest sovereign Slavic nations being invaded by Russia (be it Ukraine, Poland, Serbia, Croatia, Slovakia you name it) then yes Putin being leader of Russia is a problem

We have in Russian, a saying regarding Ivan the Terrible's grandfather - Ivan the Great - "собиратель земель русских". It means, "Gatherer of Russian Lands".

He was the man that in many ways put modern Russia together, through the integration of various Tver, Rostov, Novgorod, and Ryazan duchies.

Putin continues his tradition in some ways, of gathering the shards and pieces of Rus territories and reuniting them into one whole. This is why the Ukrainians feel the most effective way to attack us, is to call us swamp dwellers of Moscow, and claim for themselves the title of Rus. They know their claim is bankrupt, and that no serious person associates the achievements of Rus with them, instead of Russia. Nevertheless, they found a willing audience among the idiots of the West for their pseudo-historic narratives, and now I debate them here daily.

Once again I ask, why is the collective west not being blamed for the Minsk Accords that were broken deliberately? Why are we not the liars and provokers of Putin? Why is it so hard to look in the mirror and answer this question?

Personally, I think we, the west, are grossly responsible for this war simply on the Minsk Accord issues and Merkel's admissions. If I were a dictator and found out some group lied to me deliberately to get me to back off, and back out, I would have acted a lot more violently and a lot more quickly. Why is Putin suppossed to just take it in the a$$ like that and then suppossed to wait for a dinner date offer after? Really, this is a WTF moment. We want Putin to take responsibility while we take none? That is simply retarded thinking.

@Bobko
And Poland has Łokietek who gathered back Polish lands again and Poland has Bolesław Chrobry who went around and conquered lands from Germans and Pommeranians.

Still doesn't mean Poland continues any of it or goes back to it. Therefore Belarussian citizens do not have to be afraid of them being invaded by Poland. Despite "warnings" from Lukashenko, same with Ukraine, no matter Polish-Ukrainian relations and fears of Polish ambitions. They know of Poland's current policies, which Russia does not believe or thinks possible. Which creates a problem nowadays.

So yeah, Putin is a problem for all Slavic nations, including Russia itself. Even if he appeals to a major part of Russian society cause of short term benefits.

When in reality the most effective way of attacking you is with drones....

twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1755861444816494629

twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1752818201476362313

That is an easy one to answer.

The US MICC never gave a damn about Ukraine and Ukrainian war casualties. These warmongers had two objectives by not winning too early and thus keeping the war going: (1) Bleeding Russia and (2) make money. The bonus: Justify NATO.

It's really that simple.

In Putin's speech yesterday he was ask if he would attack Poland.
He danced around the question and then he asked what the definition of attack was.

Sure, he should have been a gardener then, as all the Russian land there is can be described as six on six.
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Rigsy so, or at least on equal footing, so it nullifies an argument, that Russia is not Russia.
You might as well claim that all Germanics are Germans or all Latin nations are Romans and should be one state. Pure nonsense that only such a primitive expansive entity like Moscow can use as an argument.

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Ukraine can equally or "rightfully" claim the mantle of Rus'?

Are you serious?

Then they should begin from what they have and we will rename ourselves something like Udmurtia. Our ancestors might be turning over in their graves, but at least the Ukrainians will be masters of their own dump.

A great deal they did with their great inheritance, hahaha!

I'm serious, I know it is a political narrative but let's just put it all aside now. ( however, I'm annoyed they locked up Girkin)

Rus is about Religion, so the name derives from Greek monks in Kive where it was used first and for some time. That is a historical fact, not debatable. Unless you switch on a political mode.

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But you have your original name and story before it was falsified to feed imperial drive - Moscovities.
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Well, that is a different story.

While this may be fascinating for history geeks it has nothing to do with current russian military aggression against Ukraine and is at best a distraction and at worst playing russia's rather than your own game.

There, the issue simple. russians want repression (it fulfills them in some sick way) and Ukrainians want freedom.

If you're pro russian you're against human dignity.

If you're in favor of human dignity and individual rights you're on the side of Ukraine.