Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9

I know how political murders work in democracies. Have you heard of JFK? So I can imagine they work just as well in less "democratic" places.

The differences between Kennedy's assassination and Navalny's death are as follows:

1. Kennedy was murdered in broad daylight with millions watching.
2. Navalny died and you and other Putin haters have no idea how.

....I would say the main difference is one was a powerful president and the other was a helpless political prisoner!

Right?

What makes me wonder why nobody seemingly can pull a Kennedy on Putin....

There was a reason why JFK was murdered. There was no reason to murder "a helpless political prisoner".

No, not really....dead enemies, especially resistance leaders, usually become more dangerous as martyrs....Putin must know that, he isn't dumb!

fr.de/politik/alexej-nawalny-todesursache-diagnose-grund-tot-gestorben-mithaeftling-straflager-charp-92838792.html

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"The unbelievable madness began on the evening of February 15th. It all started with the fact that the evening inspection, which takes place from 8 p.m. to 8:30 p.m., was greatly accelerated," said a prisoner of the IK-3 penal camp, according to Novaya Gazeta Europa : "This often happens on the eve of holidays, when the guards are in a hurry have to come to the table. But yesterday ( Friday, editor's note ) was not a holiday."

The prisoners were then locked in the barracks and warned "that there should be no traffic between the barracks and that security precautions would be increased. So you couldn't even put your nose on the road," said the unnamed man, according to the report: "You heard some cars driving into the zone three times late in the evening and at night. But you couldn't see what they were through the window."

As Novaya Gazeta Europa write, the morning of February 16th began with a comprehensive search of the prison camp. The colony staff confiscated several cell phones, cards and even boilers. According to the prisoner, Navalny's death was communicated within the colony around 10 a.m. local time - that is, 8 a.m. Moscow time.

...."The solitary cell in which he was housed is located away from the barracks. If an ambulance had driven there, it would have been recognizable," said the prisoner, according to the news portal: "On the morning of the 16th, there were no ambulances in the colony. They only appeared when it became known that Navalny was already dead. So I think that Navalny died much earlier than announced. Most likely last night. Why else was it necessary to lock us in the barracks and organize a search in the morning?"

It seems, the report says, that the management of the penal colony in the far north of Russia had to carry out an order that it did not want to carry out. ....

This is how "democracies" work...From express.co.uk on Drudge in bold red font:

NAVALNY POISONED!!!!!!!

Wow! So I figure they already did the autopsy, got a confession, or both...Impressive...

Well, not really...It's the widow's YouTube video. If you click, you will read this:

Alexei Navalny's widow has accused Russian authorities of killing her husband with the nerve agent novichok,

But, as we already know, women must be trusted no matter what stupid crap they say. With this in place, Russia doesn't have to investigate any further and the ICC should issue another arrest warrant for Putin. I like simple...

This case should be a model of how to save money on police investigations everywhere...Just ask the widow. Case closed.


Crucifying Jesus was a really stupid idea if you didn't like the guy.

The longer the conflict in Ukraine drags on, "the better Russia will do," SpaceX CEO Elon Musk believes. The South African billionaire has been calling for a ceasefire in Ukraine since 2022, arguing that Kiev needs to accept its loss of territory to avoid further catastrophe.

That damn Z-P=0...

What exactly did we get for those 100 billion bucks we wasted in Ukraine? Even NYC rats know how Z's favorite war will end...

Just curious...Is Z getting paid by the US for this damn war or is he doing it for free?

I mean like 100 grand per month as long as men are dying and Biden looks presidential between now and November...

@Bratwurst Boy


That is what people said the when Navalny was poisened. That it would make no sense for Putin to create a martyr. That he was no threat and so on. Of course we now know that Putin may have already made up his mind at this to start a full scale war against Ukraine at this point and was just preemptively eliminating anyone who could become a powerful voice of dissent.

On a less rational level, Putin may just have wanted to kill him because Navalny had embarrassed him when he made public just how corrupt and wealthy Putin and his cronies were. Until then people could pretend that Putin was an austere man who had saved Russia from corrupt oligarchs. Navalny shattered this illusion. We know dictators can be very petty and cruel, especially towards people who uncovered their failings.

Hitler had Hans Litten tortured to death in a KZ because the young lawyer had made a fool out of him in a public trial in the Weimar Republic. Stalin had Tuchachevsky executed because the latter had highlighted Stalin's military incompetence during the Polish-Soviet war. Putin's entire being is dictated by resentment and hate, so that seems like a logical conclusion.

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Back at the start of the SMO, the Australian National Review revealed the reasons for the West's interest in financing the Kiev regime. The fact is that the companies Cargill, Monsanto and Dupont (investors - Vanguard, Blackrock and Blackstone), immediately after the entry into force of the law on the sale of Ukrainian land (in 2021) bought up 40% of the territories for agriculture.

Monsanto Corporation alone took possession through front companies and funds of Ukrainian oligarchs:

▪️78% of the land of Sumy region,
▪️56% of Chernigov region,
▪️59% of land in Kherson region,
▪️47% of Mykolayiv region,
▪️34% of land in Kyiv and Dnipropetrovsk regions.

Back in 2013, China also entered the Ukrainian market and leased 3 million hectares of Ukrainian land for 99 years (with the right to buy). But due to the scandal with Motor-Sich, the Chinese were "screwed" and Beijing demanded to give back the land. Which leads to a simple conclusion - Beijing will negotiate the territories with Moscow.

Some of the lands belong to agroholdings of Ukrainian oligarchs who sold off offshore stakes to the American NCH Capital, French AgroGeneration, German ADM Germany, KWS, Bayer and BASF, Saudi PIF and SALIC.

@mafketis
The US wont be in NATO if a republican or independent gets elected. If Biden, god help us, gets re-elected it only delays things 4 years.

@jon357
You know nothing about US banking and business. Maybe another acusation of grooming coming your way will slow your roll you anonymous tough guy. Or have you stopped grooming on line in order to do it in person? Pedos are pedos no matter what name they hide behind.

This will be Russia's fate if you don't hit these mother fvckers now and hard...


Unless we get past the tipping point...

64 percent of US voters support NATO and not down. You are dreaming if you think the US will leave

Sensible voters recognize that it is good to have allies that are rich, democratic democratic end with good technology

yahoo.com/news/kremlin-never-richer-thanks-us-080408989.html

Yep, sanctions are working. Fvcking idiots! Russia is richer than ever.

...because the idiots never get the invoice. Send them a monthly bill and a note that NATO has nothing to do with US security and it will be 100% against NATO - the bastard that outlived the reason to exist over 30 years ago...

Do you know how many people bought a Roleks watch for 50 bucks? These are US voters.

...the EU is planning for the first time to sanction companies in mainland China and in other countries including Türkiye, India, and Serbia, for helping Moscow circumvent sanctions by allegedly supplying it with components that can be repurposed for use in drones and other weapon systems.

Like bolts and nuts?

Can we repurpose morons into dog food?

Before we do that, let's try to find out what took the EU bureaucrats that long to sanction China...Not sure or scared?

Who was talking about 'US banking'?

We're talking about the European defence and aerospace industries.

And right now those are thriving with high quality jobs bringing cash to the communities they're in.


What an odd thing to mention. Were you convicted of that as well as the several other things other things you've done jail time for and/or been otherwise convicted of before coming to Poland? You need to get a grip on yourself since right now, your behaviour is not serving your well.

Yes - like nuts and bolts. Udmurtia can make their own. Anything else made of metal should be sanctioned

Want to talk about Chinese sanctions ? Open another thread - this one is about Udmurtia and it's illegal occupation of peaceful neighbors

Yip. Polish farmers are not protesting against Ukrainian farmers selling their produce in Poland but against mass produced food-like items produced on Ukrainian soil (with the use of pesticides and other chemicals often exceeding the EU norms twentyfold!) by multi-national corporations.

The EU is not better - they are slaughtering their own farming and plan to import food from Ukraine and South America, where EU norms don't apply. If this keeps up we will no longer be talking about Polexit but about Polescape. ;)

And there's also the whole eco-fascism nonsense, that is sure to drive millions of European families into poverty. Someone in the EU has lost the plot apparently.

@jon357
Its you who needs to get a grip on talking to or about me. Only pu$$ies talk on line and then block communication. Now FO.

And now Ukraine PM calls for more sanctions. Really? WTF are these people thinking? Sanctions are not working, and will not work. This is like telling Chase bank they cannot do business with Wells Fargo and then Chase does business with Citi and Citi does business with Wells Fargo. Its a shell game and these idiots want to keep playing after they have lost their money.

Meanwile in the US, there is zero movement on aid for Ukraine. Finally sleepy Joe offers to speak with Johnson in congress one on one. After months of Biden stupidity he now thinks it might be a good idea to meet. And this is the "leader of the free world" that Ukraine is counting on? Sweden steps up though with 680 million in aid, so that will get Ukraine through another week or two, while Russia advances across the entire front. Unreal how poorly this whole thing has been managed from the US, EU and Ukraine. Absolutely stupid to think this group is capable of managing a world war now or in the future.

If sanctions aren't working then no problem if they remain in place

Udmurtia is advancing across the entire front ? Rather they have taken one small town at a cost of 10.000 lives and have to wait for more North Korean weapons before they can take another step

Every week they spend is another week that the west learns to wean itself off Udmurtian oil - for ever

@cms neuf
You need to catch up. Russia is gaining across the front, Ukraine admits this. India has bought enough oil from russia so that the dip in sales was not even ten percent. Gold sales have increased along with diamond sales. Keep all the sanctions we want, they will not make a difference. Russia can out produce all tank and armored carrier losses per month, and has increased ammunition production to Cold War levels on a full war time economy. Its time for the west to either go all in with Ukraine and give them everything they need to break through, and for Ukraine to fully mobilize. Anything short of that is simply killing men needlessly.

They do make a difference. Not the one we hoped for, namely strangling Russian economy to death. But choking is visible and sanctions need to be continued and enhanced. And they are as we speak - international banks are closing down their dealings with Russians.

And the West certainly didn`t say their last word.


Actually, not. It is a myth happily propagated by Russians. They are still using up their old reserves of tanks like T-55 ones.

I see Navalny's death as a net positive, it's still one less Russian in the world.

Apparently this has shaken russians a lot more than anything since Prigozhin's aborted march on moscow.... probably more than that.

Even younger russians who didn't agree with his policies are upset..... he was the last remnant of the idea that you could say what you believe in public in russia. And now that's gone.

The idea of saying what you think has never been alien to Poles (or Ukrainians) but it's almost.... exotic to russians....

Reasoning this way, russia's war with Ukraine is the salvation of humanity. Only russians are dying in this war, assuming that Ukrainians are also russians, just those who got lost.

Lovely. Seasonal Russophobia is in full bloom today. Reason: heavy cloud of Ukrainian dupa fallout moving Westwards, following advances by Russian armed forces.

People with weak psyche or suppressed sense of justice advised to stay indoors.


Life has an unusual tendency to ignore our hopes, when they run orthogonal to reality.


This is funny.

When Ukraine was in the midst of its epic counter-offensive, this forum was full of military geniuses. They were explaining to me, as if I was a complete idiot, that "offensives are at first slow, and then suddenly very fast indeed". Brave Ukrainians were hammering away at Russia's forward line of defense, so that they could break through into the "poorly manned rear", where maneuver warfare and superior Western weaponry would force the Russians into a wholesale retreat.

As it happened, Ukraine failed to break through even the first line of defense, despite all of PF's military geniuses predicting that the Russians would be buried in their trenches by Leopards and Bradley's driving overhead.

Now, when Russia completes the siege of the most fortified city on the entire front - a city that could one day act as a launching point for a Ukrainian attempt to retake Donetsk - CMS Neuf is of course happily relaying that this is all meaningless.

Forget that Avdeevka has been fortified over the course of ten years. Forget that holding it, immensely improves Russia's logistical situation. Forget that there are no secondary or tertiary lines of defense built behind Avdeevka, despite Zelensky's promise to take care of it back in the Fall.

Everything is just peachy, my lady.

Exactly!!! That`s what Russians have been repeating in bewilderement after they failed to take Kyiv and Ukraine within 3 days in 2022. hahahaha

Reality disagrees.

"In terms of Russian industry's capacity to support ongoing operations, Russia has significantly mobilised its defence industry, increasing shifts and expanding production lines at existing facilities as well as bringing previously mothballed plants back online. This has led to significant increases in production output. For example, Russia is delivering approximately 1,500 tanks to its forces per year along with approximately 3,000 armoured fighting vehicles of various types. Russian missile production has similarly increased.."

rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russian-military-objectives-and-capacity-ukraine-through-2024
FYI Royal United Services Institute is the foremost military think tank in the U.K

Smells Like Russian Spirit. :):)


Delivering doesn`t mean producing. I already mentioned using up old storage reserves.

That is why I prefer articles based on truth

en.defence-ua.com/industries/analyzing_russian_report_of_2100_tanks_produced_in_2023_and_wheres_the_catch_in_these_data-8511.html

Yes, probably. Especially those Russians that thought Ukraine could be taken in 3 days.

The Ukrainians also had great hopes. For example, they hoped Russia would not be able to take Avdeevka. This is why they didn't take seriously the need to prepare defenses behind it. Of course, publicly, Zelensky and his generals declared billion-dollar plans to produce hundreds of kilometers of reinforced trenches and other defense measures, but in practice... the bet was placed on Avdeevka holding out.

When at the end of January, beginning of February, it became clear that the situation was catastrophic - the Ukrainians rushed to prepare some kind of positions to which the defenders of Avdeevka could retreat. Because the Russians were too close by this point, it was not possible to use bulldozers and excavators. Instead, Mykola had to go work with his shovel again, digging up frozen soil to prepare a shallow little grave for himself.

In Russia, meanwhile, we have large construction companies and military engineers constantly digging in the rear - as soon as we produce an advance. Some lessons were learned from the first two years.