Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9

They regret it deeply.

Mongrel, show some intelligence at last - stop azlicking other posters and say sth intelligent on your own. We have been looking forward to it for 6 years. :):):)

@Bratwurst Boy
DEI and woke ideology would be the end of real democracy. Reverse racism in America coupled with these absolutely moronic movements are at the root of the nations problems. Coupled with corporate greed, and bought politicians the country has changed. And as much as some here would like to say this has nothing to do with Ukraine, it does. The left wants to keep giving America's money to Ukraine and the right wants to spend it at home first. It really is a very easy problem to solve for the US and Ukraine, but the left will not give in, and now the right has made their stand. Ukraine rations ammunition, and keeps losing ground.

Now reports that Ukraine are running low on parts to repair vehicles used in the field are becoming regular news. With spring around the corner, and muddy season approaching which will slow things down on both sides, Ukraine has very little time to mount an offensive. If a deal isnt made in the US Russia could break through in some areas across the front, and roll through Ukraine pretty quickly in the summer. If Z doesnt get a lot more men involved all the aid from the US will not even make a difference. You cant launch rockets or fly F-16's if you dont have support staff and others to make repairs or hold the front line.

The origin is from before that time. It was first used even before Petliura.

Ukraine won't stop using it.

Oh, yes, and swastika is an ancient symbol that represents the four Vedas, ancient Sanskrit scriptures, used way before Hitler. Of course.

I'm so sick and tired of this kind of b*llshit.


Then I shall keep considering them nazi sickf*cks.

@Torq
Some people don't understand symbolism and what it means, merrily thinking it's like decoration. Instead of it being a window to not only one person's soul but, an entire groups truth or how they want to present themselves.

If people in the west think that slogans such as "Slava Ukrainy" has no connection or connotation to Extreme Ukrainian nationalism. It is naive

It's a reason they are Ukrainians and not Polish
I still think we should support Ukraine in this agression, even if their right sector was ruling.
They have no chance or opportunity to successfully invade Poland. Even with war experience, it would been a bad move on their part.

Russia however? Just as it did in the past, it can make a deal with the west over the heads of Polish nation yet again. Just see the war tiring down western societies. We are to expect it

It is. My neighbours in the U.K. display it in their window. They are Jain.

And the phrase originated as part of Ukraine's independence struggle, one long and hard fought.

I didn't know that Germans were that insecure. When you think about it makes sense.
Nobody is unfair, Gemran policies are kind of hinting at the wannabe as a good ally of Russia, right now it is out of the question but the whole political class can't shed its skin that easily in just a few years.

---

Are you being silly or sarcastic?

Germany Confirms Leaked Audio Of Its Top Generals Discussing Blowing Up The Crimean Bridge

Smoking gun audio recording deemed authentic...

zerohedge.com/geopolitical/germany-confirms-leaked-audio-its-top-generals-discussing-blowing-crimean-bridge

And the Germans are laughably upset that the Russians intercepted what they thought was their secure communications rather than being embarrassed at being caught trying to escalate a war with Russia.

The Germans are clearly suffering from coward's courage hiding behind Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty and thinking Russia would never strike back at them.

• 
  17094476528997991..png
  

That's exactly the core of the problem right now! Scholz and the whole gov was voted into power shortly before the world changed, first with the world wide pandemia then the war in Europe including a dramatic energy crisis especially in Germany.

The main election campaign topics had been green policy (the end of the nuclear energy in Germany), wokism (women quotas, more rights for pot heads and trans people, immigrants) etc.

Not much of that interests the people anymore, in some points the opinions of the majority have changed drastically (with hindsight because of the crises though)....but the gov is still the "old" one! They can't shed their skin that quickly!

PS: Yes, our Bundespräsident Steinmeier tried to make amends and apologized officially for being to friendly with Russia before, his bromance with Lawrow, especially was famous....but nobody else did, and sadly Steinmeier will say everything and nothing at the same time, and he was the only on!

@Poloniusz

Nobody is escalating this war but Putin. The discussion was about whether supplying Ukraine with Taurus would enable them to blow up the bridge. A bridge that has been illegally built on Ukrainian territory and is used as a central logistical hub for the Russian war effort. In other words legitimate target for the Ukrainiam army.

@Bratwurst Boy


I would argue that objectively speaking, they have changed a lot. They went from not sending any weapons to a conflict zone to Ukraine's largest European arms supplier. Scholz generation was politically socialized with the reckoning of German crimes in the East, with the horrors of Stalingrad, Leningrad and so on. I do believe that for quite a few of old Social democrats, the thought of sending German tanks to kill Russians again (even if it was for defending Ukrainians) went against everything they believed in. The problem is that in war every day counts, and that this reluctance is damaging to the Ukrainian war effort. And of course, it has become convenient for some actors to focus on that to distract from their own failure to properly support Ukraine.

...if so, they did it kicking and screaming and fighting against it at every turn! And the country looks like it...

I don't want to assume the worst, hence I chose descriptions like "idiots" and "naive" rather something worse. I know that the situation is highly difficult and that they just weren't chosen for these kind of problems....still....I expect alot more from a leadership, from a government of such a highly industrialized, and usually wealthy and capable country!


Of course, that is another factor! The finger pointing between the western allies is obvious....

General question on Crimea. If Russia occupied it in February of 2014, why hasn't Ukraine done more to take it back for the last ten years?

They probably didn't want to provoke a wider conflict and a full scale attack by Moscow

Udmurtia attacked them anyway - as regime change and recolonization was always their aim

The passive agressive stance makes no sense now, and not doing something before Russia built up on the border makes even less sense strategically. Logic, would make it easier to build up weapons stores over the eight years before this invasion, attack Crimea and take out the bridge. Sitting back, and negotiating things that Ukraine never intended to follow through on, while not planning something is just stupid.

the goycide continues

SLEEPY UKRAYONS IN GEORGIEVKA NEAR MARINKA

WATCH

bitchute.com/video/dWJ0wbjsodxK/

LONE AFU SURVIVOR SHOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS SQUAD MATES

WATCH

bitchute.com/video/uWvTzBvE3FPd/

Finland: Lunatic Homosexual Calls for US Nukes on Russian Border

dailystormer.in/finland-lunatic-homosexual-calls-for-us-nukes-on-russian-border/

It is still a poor country that decided to concentrate on improving it's citizens lives and building a free market and democracy rather than spending all their taxes on weapons to fight a nuclear enemy. Naively they trusted Putler not to start an unprovoked invasion aimed at capturing Kiev.

Their success at becoming semi Western and more advanced is one of the things that enraged Putler - he hates the fact that former Soviet republics become richer and happier than his own toilet of a country,

Bullsh*it!

Putin wanted three things:

1. No NATO in Ukraine
2. Crimea
3. Better treatment of Russians.

It is the US warmongers along with their Britsh wh*res that wanted this war and told their Ukrainian puppet, Zhole, not to sign anything.

My best advice to you personally is to meet with BB and snap out...You are embarrassing all Germans with brains.


Exactly.

This is why I hate NATO as a trigger that can get the US into a war that means nothing to us. Just imagine Russia and Estonia having some pis*sing thing about a dozen square miles and Estonia calls DC: Article 5!!! Quick!!! Hit Moscow!!! You owe us!!!

Memo to Euro-NATO: Go fvck yourself!!! We need you like I need cancer...

What an idiotic photo even by Crno standards - Kiev has air defences and Udmurtia is afraid to use it's air force there.

The Gazans unfortunately have no air defence and the Israelis have modern weapons - most people in the west are outraged by their attacks in civilian targets.

@Crnogorac3

This is not Twitter, we are all well-informed about what happens to places that refuse to become part of Russian Miir. Or how the Russians perfected their methods to raze any city that resists them. From Grozny over Aleppo to many towns and cities in Ukraine.

Though admittedly the sight of a nearly-intact Kiev does make me proud since it is in large part due to German supplied anti-air defence systems that the people there can live in relative safety.

Don't worry, soon even the Taurus won't help.

The alternative rail line to Crimea, which comes in from the North along the Azov Sea coast is set to be completed by some time this summer.

If you bomb that line, it will take several days instead of several weeks, to get it back up and running. After all, all you need to do is level the ground and install fresh rails, ties, and ballast. No need for pouring concrete in subsea environments, while using floating cranes, etc.

In general, calling the Crimean Bridge a central logistical hub for the Russian war effort betrays some fundamental misunderstanding of the flow of this war.

If one were to name any "central logistical hub" for the Russian war effort, it would be Rostov.

Crimea instead represents a sort of appendix, which doubles as a constant liability - necessitating the implementation of many costly measures in order to mitigate.

• 
  IMG_0949.jpeg
  

What a brilliant post considering the source... Yes, Russia's supersonic missiles cannot possibly penetrate Kiev's air defenses...I am so proud of you and Kiev's air defenses.

Liability or not, it's Russia's net gain - along with D and L.
I am still waiting for a list of things the US gained from the deaths of 100,000 Americans and the 7 trillion bucks that they spent in K, V, I, I, A, and now in U.

As a reminder...Russia is not a threat to the US and NATO is a liability with no benefits. What a deal from hell...

When can we expect you to begin calling Jews untermenschen?

Perhaps you will remember their Asiatic roots, and revoke their European license? Since they're much too small to merit the name "horde", you could just call them orclings. "Goblins" is also not taken, but could potentially invite some accusations of antisemitism.

Calling them Galileans or Samaritans, is not going to be very effective. I'll tell you this right now, before you even start. Your attempts with "Udmurtia" is my reason for saying this. All it does, is reveal you as a geographic and historical ignoramus - so again, steer clear of place names.

Since you constantly threatened to boycott any product still being sold in Russia, including medicines and food.... I'm guessing you are now living on marinated sprats and boiled potatoes, because practically no Western company has left Israel.

Finally, I hope you are extracting as much pleasure masturbating to images of dead IDF soldiers, as you do from masturbating to Russian corpses.

All this, would tell me you are a man of principles.

...aka a Russia-hating moron...


I recall using this word in this thread before...

I only meant that Crimea is a military liability, at the moment. Otherwise, of course it's great to have Crimea - for a thousand reasons.

As a military staging ground, it played a critical role in the early months of 2022. Unable to break through the layered Ukrainian defenses surrounding Donetsk (and built over 8 years), Russian forces in the South fanned out of Crimea across two tiny bridges. The Ukrainians inexplicably failed to mine the approaches or blow up the bridges.

Moving fast out of Crimea, the forces diverged East and West. The eastern grouping rapidly taking Mariupol, and the Western taking Kherson.

Then, a link was established for the first time with the Russian mainland.

From that point on, Crimea played less and less the role of a central hub, and more and more of a liability. Supplies and reinforcements no longer arrive from that direction in their majority. Neither are the majority of airstrikes being conducted from there. The navy plays practically no role.

As everyone noted, it's vulnerable to being cut off if the right set of circumstances come together. This means spending billions of dollars on turning Crimea into some kind of air/land/sea hedgehog - which is what I meant by expensive mitigation exercises.

Basically, all I wanted to say is - it's no "central hub of the Russian war effort".

Why is the russian economy crap on a stick?

This video explains why a country with a population almost three times that of Italy has an economy that's 10% smaller....

youtube.com/watch?v=N1EG_6N9HOs

tldr:
russians like really terrible forms of government with unaccountable and extractive dictators at the top who have no incentive to improve the life of most citizens.

2.3X, not "three times".

Very nice TLDR.

An alternative TLDR could be:

1) Italy's neighbors are France, Switzerland, Austria, and Spain.

2) Russia's neighbors are Belarus, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, China, and Polar Bears.

3) Russia is 17M square kilometers, much of it impenetrable taiga forests, and much of it north of the Arctic Cirlce.

4) Italy is 300K square kilometers of some of the best land on Earth, with certainly the best climate on Earth.

5) Russia wasn't even allowed to join the World Trade Organization until the mid 2000s (entrance into which is cited as the main reason for China's meteoric rise), whereas Italy was propped up by the West beginning from the end of the war, while Italy itself is a founding member of the EU.

6) Italians eat biscotti and sip on coffee, while America protects their ass from all sorts of invasion. They couldn't even bomb Libya, which is on their doorstep, for more than a week before reaching out to America for resupply.

7) Russia busted its ass for nearly a century helping lift hundreds of millions of people out of poverty all around the world.