Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9

@Bobko


Now imagine if Russia had spent all that money (not to mention all the other cost of the war) on developing its' own infrastructure instead of territories it may end up loosing controle over when everything is said done. Yet another reason why Russia is such a poor country.

One only needs to remember how much money Putin was essentially gifted at the beginning of his reign thanks to high oil prices. He could have invested it to diversify Russia's economy and improve its' infrastructure. Or failing that, invest it into the welfare system. Instead he and his croonies stole it and invested the rest into waging war after war.

@Novichok


With South Korea the USA has something Russia can only dream off. A loyal ally and huge trade partner (volume of yearly trade more than 2bn).

I appreciate the explanation and your time.
What I am missing is the pleasure of watching Mariupol and other liberated cities coming back to normal with kids playing, people going for a walk, and stores open...

I realize that rebuilding will be a monumental task and I wish I could help...but the new will be so much better than what was - in every sense of the word...

What is amazing to me personally is how positive experiences from childhood stayed with me till today. That is why I like Russia and don't mind being the most hated poster here.

While I am in this mood, congratulations on the best national anthem ever composed.

@Bobko
You need to explain point number 7 in more detail. What do you actually mean?

@Novichok


Thanks, I tend to forget what kind of person you are.

I mean things like "Building Socialism for the Brotherly People of Afghanistan". Building stadiums, schools, hospitals, roads, and dams - so that the Afghan proletariat has a chance to develop.

I mean things like building hundreds of plants across China, including nuclear power plants.

I mean educating hundreds of thousands of Angolans, Ethiopians, Zimbabweans, Vietnamese, Cubans, Algerians, and Nicaraguans - so that they could go back to their countries to become doctors and engineers.

Regardless of what you think about the USSR, it did an enormous amount of good for large parts of the developing world.

What's more - it was a completely thankless task. Afghanistan was ruined by the Americans, just to spite us, and then when they got bored - the Taliban came in and started stoning women in the same stadiums we built.

China thanked us by turning around, and striking a strategic deal with the United States.

Vietnam is set to become the main manufacturer of iPhone components.

big difference.... I stand corrected! (see how easy it is to admit a mistake?)

1. so?

2. you forgot Ukraine

3. and it goes to waste because of my tldr....

4. italy has no natural resources to speak of while russia has incredibly vast amounts of resources....

5. that's because of previous government models (terrible dictators in a combination thugocracy/kleptocracy and utter passivity and uselessness of most citizens) the world took a gamble that helping russia develop economically might help it develop socio-politically..... a lost bet.

6. Italy's nieghbors have moved past the 'invade your neighbor and steal their sh7t' phase.... something russia should do

7. Where? Where are these countries lifted out of poverty with russian help? I'm really curious.

HEY....the "Deutschlandlied" is top! Definitely...

Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is better.

Did you ever wonder why it all broke down in '89 if it was so great?

Today socialism/communism are burned concepts....nobody wants to be seen with them...


NEVER!!!!

You can't become rich off of resources, if you have a population the size of Russia's.

The only countries which have managed to build some kind of First World economy and society off a huge resource base are Australia and Canada. Both are continent-sized countries, but with populations of only 25M and 38M respectively.

You can't feed and clothe 150M people even if you are exporting a healthy percentage of the worlds metals, oil, or gas. Russia could never be a Norway, Kuwait, or even Scotland.

Italy is much better positioned to benefit from opportunities existing within the world economy, even when the resource assymmetry is taken into account.


I did not say it was so great. In fact, sending Russian money all around the world just to earn additional "prestige" was one of the aspects which was really not great at all.

...on DEI and transgender surgeries...So many happy freaks...till they kill themselves anyway...

Now imagine the US minding its own damn business, closing the border, deporting every single illegal mother fvcker, getting out of NATO to make Euros proud, and have a balanced budget before the whole rotten pyramid collapses...

Would you like to see the full list, Mr. I know What's Best for Russia?


I will be happy to remind you...

Long live Russia...NATO, jump into the lake and drown...



KK, eat sh*it ... an effortless beaty...

@cms neuf
I have traveled Ukraine extensively. The government was not investing in anything other than Kiev and lining their own pockets. Roads are absolute disasters, like riding a roller coaster. Apartment buildings? Not a chance unless in Kiev or Lviv in the center. 20 minutes outside either city and you have soviet era bull$hit. Go into the countryside and you have people living in huts with no indoor bathrooms, some without any indoor plumbing. Lodz looks like a modern city compared to most of Ukraine.

I'm gonna make this into a sticker and put it on my car bumper.

country of child killers you obscene hypocrite....

twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1764363506789347392


Here's a nice illustration for it....

twitter.com/golub/status/1764360794450313659

Apropos NATO and Lake....I had to post that, sorry! :)

reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/12demii/nato_lake/

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Two can play at this game. This is what a nice illustration for NATO would be.

The problem emerges, when one realizes that you've killed many more children and just recently, but simply no one cared. God knows why.

11 kids in one strike. Well done Maf!

Source: aljazeera.com/amp/news/2013/4/8/afghan-children-killed-in-nato-airstrike

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But Ukraine didn't do that.

If I think of things in my house there are plenty that are high quality made in Italy - shoes, ties, shirts, coffee machine, wine, plenty of food, a pen, grappa and vermouth, a cigarette lighter, sunglasses, regular glasses, some furniture. What a great country for design and manufacturing!

Things that are made in Udmurtia ? A fur hat that I bought for a joke in 1999. Two mechanical watches - one that works and one that is so bad that I feel ripped off for the 10 zloty I paid for it

Really Bobko? Afghanistan of all places???


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Ukraine, actually, like the dog and prostitute that it is - volunteered for both Iraq and Afghanistan. Despite being neither a NATO member, nor being obligated in any other way to aid its imperial overlord in perpetuating crimes around the world.

Simply, Ukraine thought that if it gave a good suck, good things would come its way.

Now it is reaping those dividends tenfold, in daily spasms of ecstasy.

@Bobko
Without going into details, you already look tired and irritated today because your arguments in this answer do not show your usual brilliance.

Ukrinia is so corrupt from top to bottom that it doesn't let them support the war effort.
Also. international help is being stolen, the USA asks for missing 40 million dollars, and so so...
What's more Polish media do not talk about it much.
All that help was sent by private individuals from Poland, plus the government that spent so much money, if they just stopped stealing they would have had enough money to win that war.

They even steal from their citizens, those who are trying to do something right, including their soldiers. At the same time, those who are guilty are yapping about patriotism.

Well, you can always give it away if not to Ukraine then to Tukey. If don't tell porkies about unimportant Crimea.

Look, I will lay it out like an algebraic formula:

1) Tacitus says Taurus is necessary to destroy Crimean bridge, a "critical hub for the Russian war effort".
2) Bobko says, "Crimea is not a critical hub for the Russian war effort".

Novichok even questioned my calling it a liability, and I provided an expanded answer.

That is all.

Crimea is important - all I said was that it is not militarily critical beyond politically announced "red lines", after it performed its all-important function during the initial invasion.

How any reasonable person can debate this, is beyond me.


I appreciate the compliments, and excuse the vulgarities. However, once again:

1) You said Ukraine did not kill Afghan children.
2) While it certainly did not kill those children, or perhaps any children, I nonetheless provided you a counter-argument which seemed to me to be pretty germane. That is - that Ukraine out-of-the-blue volunteered for both those wars. Just like Saakashvilli-led Georgia. Hoping for handouts of sweet Western candy. Instead they got the boot.

And yet look what they have achieved. They shot down more than 100 planes, destroyed more than 4k armored vehicles and tanks, and sunk 22 ships. Every day of fighting weakens Russia further, gives us time to rearm and reduces the cost of future deterrence.

"They"?

Really?

Not Rheinmetall, Airbus, Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon, BAE, Leonardo, and hundreds of others?

Not German, French, British, and American warplanners? Not satellites in low earth orbit? Not spy planes flying round the clock?

Not the emptying of your collective war stockpiles just to help Ukraine survive a "little more"?

No, of course not. It's the heroism and incredible genius of Ukrainian soldiers, which is the main ingredient of the current success in stopping Russia from achieving its war aims. You should go become an intern for the Institute for the Study of War and run their Twitter feed for them. Haha!

"Look what they achieved!" Ahahahaha! The CIA or BND should hire you for information warfare, because you have mastered the language and the narrative completely.

P.S. - Here's a thought experiment for you. Switch to helping Russia instead of Ukraine, for the next two years. Be prepared to be absolutely floored by what Russia "can achieve".

And this is key.

Despite their threats, despite their political assassinations, despite their atrocities in Bucha, Mariupol and elsewhere, despite the 450,000 orcs (or about 3,000,000 kg of orc meat) they fed into the grinder, they will lose.

Nope - all that was achieved by the Ukrainians, using weapons from friendly countries who are appalled by drunk rapists

They are cleaning your clock on the battlefield - hardly a surprise since your military command is usually too busy abusing young recruits and lining their own pockets

One difference between you and me. I never for a moment supported the Iraq invasion and never for a moment pretended to because I knew it would be a clusterfvkk disaster.

You've yet to say the idea of invading Ukraine is wrong. You support the random killing of Ukrainian children becasue russians don't think killing Ukrainians is wrong (you don't think killing russians is wrong either as long as it's the russian government doing so but that's a separate issue).

How many of your opinions would you be afraid to say in public in russia?

@Bobko


That is precisely it. Well, that and the inaptitude of the Russian leadership.

You can arm someone as much as you want, give them the best intelligence updates but if the people can not be motivated to use those arms and resist the enemy, than nothing will come out of it. The Afghan army received lots of ressources and assistance, including a modern air force yet folded to some insurgents on jeeps.

The Ukrainians started this war in a terrible strategic position, being outgunned in every conceivable manner from fighting jets to tanks with Russia having the initiative and yet managed to fight on to this while inflicting some of Russia's most embarrassing defeats in its' military history.

One can tell how much this bothers Russian nationalists who looked down on Ukrainians. Hence all the coping a la "We are fighting the West" or "xthousand American operatives have been killed in Ukraine".

You are fighting Ukrainians who receive limited assistance from the West while a) having the advantage of fighting entirely on Ukrainian soil and b) receiving aid from North Korea, Iran and China. And you are paying for every "great victory" with blood.