Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9

This just goes to show the failure of "The West".....if the aid from North Korea,Iran and China is helping the Russians then we in the west are not doing enough.

What is the source? Remember that PF is PG-13.

Top Ukrainian ADMITS NATO KILLED 2022 Peace Deal

Hey, Russia-hating morons, in the spring of 2022, Russia only wanted a no-NATO Ukraine. The rest was political posturing.

I know that you are stupid and stubborn but hopefully still able to watch the first 2 minutes of this video. It will help you realize how stupid and stubborn you actually are.

@Miloslaw


Well, those countries are dictatorships that can invest a disproportionate amount of ressources into their military complex without having to justify it to their citizen and/or still have large weapon stock piles they can draw from. And they are less likely to have their foreign policy be affected by petty domestic disputes like in the USA. Doesn't mean we won't eventually outproduce them, but it will take time

@Novichok


oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1

Those are of course only losses that can be confirmed with high certainty. So Russia's losses are likely even higher.

When there are incompetent clowns like Boris Pistorius discussing other countries' military secrets on an open zoom call with r*SSian spies listening in (if he or one of his staff didn't actually invite them), it's no wonder things go wrong.

Pistorius hasn't even publicly apologised to the country whose soldiers he has put at risk. Presumably he's apologised in private however it clearly shows that his people are not trustworthy. Unless of course he did it deliberately, trying to distract from his failure to supply Taurus weapons.

Some better news though; r*SSia lost 2900,0 orcs in February. Given that many were in their 40s and 50s and probably overweight, that's about 40,000 kilos of orc meat.

There are some lucky dogs in Ukraine with full stomachs.

It was more like 290,000 kg of unnecessary meat.

@jon357


You are blaming the wrong person here. Pistorius was not part of the call and is -surprisingly for a Social Democrat - apparantly quite competent in running the defence ministry.

in ruining the defence ministry?

No, he actually seems quite competent in restoring its' former capabilities. Despite heavy resistance from his own party.

That Germany has become Ukraine's most important European ally is in not insignificant part thanks to him.

Yes, Germany is "systemrelevant" when it comes to Ukraine

Future American Secretary of State for Defense:

Then where's Taurus? What has Feigling Scholz actually said done that indicates he wants Ukrainian victory and russian defeat?

A further look says it's the head of the 'luftwaffe' (appalling they are still allowed to call it that) who messed up.

He should be fired of course for gross incompetence and his boss, Pistorius, should either issue an abject public apology or resign or both.

Why on earth are they not only having military conferences via insecure comms but discussing other countries secrets on them?

You mean aside from delivering more aid to Ukraine than any other European country and making sure that this flow of assistance is secured for years to come? His statements over the outcome of this war are more reserved (or maybe just realistic, given other European like to talk big but fail to follow up their words) but given his political past and the strong pacifist inclinations of the German people, the aid he delivered is significant.


Hardly. It is literally the direct translation of "air force".

The leak is embarrassing, but what was discussed was hardly classified information. Nothing the Russians do not know themselves.

At least someone is doing something right.

The regional German party "Free Saxony" filed an application to initiate criminal proceedings against the Bundeswehr due to plans to carry out an attack on the Crimean Bridge

This Sunday, lawyer Martin Kohlmann filed a criminal complaint with the German Attorney General's Office on behalf of the Free Saxony Party for a possible crime under Article 13 of the International Criminal Code ("Crime of Aggression"). It is based on well-known plans by high-ranking Bundeswehr soldiers to carry out an attack on the Crimean Bridge.

"These specific preparatory actions could already fall under the relevant paragraph, which prohibits planning for an aggressive war with a minimum prison sentence of ten years," the press service of Free Saxony reports.

twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1764398587335569547

Per capita?

And Taurus?

Another moment is that they actually signed that their weapons will never leave Germany

@Crnogorac3


They should be careful. As some observers have pointed out, falsely stating that the Bundeswehr is preparing for an illegal war of agression may well be a violation of §109d StGB and open them up for prosecution.

Well, that's symbolic.
The Germans, and the rest of the EU, barely even found out about that scandal.
But, on the one hand, how amateurish they are, and on the other hand, how lightly they enter into the risk of causing WWIII. They are more concerned with some small technicalities and the image of German weapons, than with the fact that 79 years after the Second World War, their weapons should fly towards Russia and thus risk causing the Third World War.

It turns out that Scholz essentially curbs that war hysteria and clamor among them.

@mafketis


A meaningless statistic used in the same sense as some Russian shills used some GDP per capita variation to claim that their country was doing better than Western Europe. It lacks relevance and disregards important factors (e.g. how much money may hav been received as reimbursement in return for deliveries, a relatively underdeveloped defense industry compared to other industries and so on.)

And even in terms of deliveries per Capita, Germany is ahead of the other mayor European economies.


And modern anti-air defense systems? Artillery ammunition? Logistical equipment? Drones? Taurus or no Taurus won't doom Ukraine. A critical lack in those categories however might, and Germany is doing more than others on that issue right now.

@Crnogorac3


Hardly a scandal. Embarassing sure, but nothing of true significance was discussed there.


The only person who may cause world war 3 is Putin.
Let us be perfectly clear here. Any country could send Ukraine any weapon it chooses, with Ukraine using those weapons against Russia in any way they see fit and the delivering country would not become legally part of the war. But we have become painfully aware about how unhinged Putin and his croonies are (Medvedev being a notable example) and are thus forced to draw line below the legally possible threahold.

And has dreadful baggage.


What was discussed (not even on secure channels) was nothing to do with them. If the information has been shared with them, it is grossly incompetent to discuss it so openly. If it had not been shared with them, they are overstating their very limited role by even knowing.

The sheer incompetence of the German general who held a military meeting available to all and sundry to listen to is staggering.

Unhinged? Hardly.

The are not suicidal. They are thieves (on a scale unheard of in the West) who got rich stealing from their own people. They are, therefore, more interested in using the immense riches that they acquired rather than dying in an nuclear war or hiding underground like rats for the rest of their lives. They don't want to die--they want to enjoy the power and money that they have. They have much more to lose in case of nuclear war than an ordinary wage slave has.

People really should have see through their bluff long time ago.

So, remember people: those c*nts, with all their power and money, are more afraid than you are because they have much more to lose.

F*ck 'em and f*ck their threats.

Yes people love their wealth but being made to look like a fool makes people do crazy things. What about Cuban Missile Crisis? Tho in that case the yanks were more gungho about having a nuclear boom boom than the ruskis.

Russians chickened out. Nobody would have started the nuclear war back then and nobody will start it now. Only a madman would do it, that's why Russians sometimes try to make us believe that they are "unhinged". They aren't.

@cms neuf
Not wanting a wider attack from Russia makes no sense. If say in 2020 Ukraine had stored up enough western weapons in secret, that bridge could have been destroyed easily. Then, as Bobko noted, it would have been gone for the 2022 invasion, and could have prevented the invasion to begin with. It took Russia six months to build up the manpower on the border to make the 2022 invasion happen. They could only respond quickly with missiles and air attacks, and if Ukraine had prepared properly this would have been repelled. The whole stance of Ukraine toward Russia since 2014 looks compromised at best, and based on no logic and absolute stupidity at worst.

@Bobko
If the bridge is no longer that valuable strategically, wouldnt it make great sense for Ukraine to take it out for symbolic purposes? This is one of Vlad's great accomplishments in his mind. It would also make any potential counter offensive easier. IMO, that bridge should be targeted every day by sea drones, air drones and missiles. Send a hundred or more in one night and they would be overwhelmed to defend properly.

In other news, Congress is preparing its own Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan package for 68 billion. No humanitarian aid for Hamas is included, and possible no humanitarian aid for Ukraine either. Just weapons and cash to keep pensions and salaries paid.

True. They terribly underestimated just how much russia wanted to kill a bunch of Ukrainians.... The mentally healthy have a great deal of trouble understanding mental illness...

Maybe you need to volunteer your strategic services to Ukraine.

I can't even.

Forgot your meds again?
I'm sure millions of gulag prisoners and residents of NKVD mass graves would agree.
They can't because communists murdered them. Even under communist strict control of information space and rampant propaganda Poles wanted to be part of the West and hated communist regime forced upon the nation. Nothing changed here - our current pro-western and anti-Putinist Russia policies are consistently supported by more than 90% of our population because they are a realisation of our raison d'etat.


Communism differed a bit in every country where it was introduced by force. But it lead to poverty and tyranny everywhere. Communist parties do not have majority support in neither country of the former Warsaw Pact precisely because we know where that leads, usually they remain in deep opposition with no chance to get back into power.

My parents are currently in their mid 70s. They remember communism: the unending queues, the poverty and the hopelessness. And they joy they felt when it finally fell apart. They would never change the current reality for the bad old times, even though they were young back then which people tend to remember fondly.

Bobko is correct, you can't compare poland to africa, the soviet union funded a lot of indepence/anti colonial movements then poured money in the form of cheap imports the concept of social servies and sending doctors, medical equipment, expertise. Sure not social democratic/capitalist european nirvana but a lot better than what the west did during colonialism to africa. jon will most prob back me on this one as we've both lived there.. Hence 90 percent of Africans support Russia over Ukraine/Nato.

....I wish they would do so by staying there!