Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9

Russia liberated Mariupol. If the invading UA army went home, there would be no need for the Russians to attack the city. Russia didn't attack Moscow.

Where are Bobko and Velund?

There is very clearly no Plan B.

Zelensky and his team, are fully aware that whatever Plan B exists out there - in the ether - will not be implemented by them, but already by somebody else.

They dug themselves too deep a hole, through two years of stubbornly refusing to engage. What will they tell people now, 500K dead later, about why they had to fight for those two additional years? What rationale would they provide, for torpedoing those negotiations in Istanbul, to the families of the dead?

They'll probably instead form some government-in-exile, based in London or Paris, and from there continue clamoring for Ukrainians to go kill themselves. They'll direct the guerilla war from there, and continue showing up at every international forum to denounce Russia and its puppet regime in Kiev.

This way they'll never have to admit defeat, never have to admit any missteps, and can ride off into the sunset as martyrs for liberty. Ukraine meanwhile, will live its own life under people actually living and working in Ukraine.

Not still up your dvpa where you like them?

You are a pig ignorant moron that doesn't even understand what X and 3 are....

russian admits russian army (and not 'pro-russian rebels') were active in Donbas in 2014-15....

"liberation" by russia....

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Of course they won't admit defeat, that's because they have not been defeated on the battlefield and Udmurtia is unlikely to make serious progress or cross the rivers without using it's crappy malfunctioning air force.

Unless we see Udmurtia's finest, Spetznatz elite alcoholics try another airborne assault - that would at least make a good comedy film

..."freedom and democracy".

At least I will not have to listen to that better-dead-than-red American cold-war crap - always uttered about someone else...never speaker's wife and kids.


You should go there and beat the crap out of those alcoholics...especially when they are asleep and totally intoxicated...

Did you know that a country can deploy an army that is equal to 10% of its population? This means that Poland can send 3 million of its bravest to finish that war in a week or less.

So start packing...Want some ammo?

🤔 ....better dad than red 🙂

Russia is out producing the US and EU combined by 3 to 1 in artilery production. Three times as much as the west combined. WTF does that tell you? Ukraine is fvcked. The time to negotiate is now. Any moron can see that it only takes one good Russian breakthrough and they can roll right into Kiev. There will be no one to stop them if it happens, because Z refuses to mobilize. Russia has ten times the men, and are not just replacing their tanks, they are producing more than they are losing. How many more Ukraine men have to die before someone comes to their senses?

But russia doesn't want to negotiate at all, they want to occupy all of Ukraine.

Have you ever heard Zelensky admit to any type of error?

The guy is quite petulant.

His former ambassador to the UK, said it was inappropriate for Zelensky to make snide remarks in response to Ben Wallace's pleas for "a bit more gratitude". What did Zelensky do? He fired him.

His ambassador to Germany, had a habit of praising Bandera and telling Poles to stop moaning about Volyn. From every corner, you could hear voices arguing for Melnyk to be dismissed. What did Zelensky do? He promoted him to Deputy Foreign Minister.

His chief general wrote an essay for The Economist, in which he argued that the war has come to an intractable stalemate, requiring the development of new and unique solutions. Zelensky gave a press conference the next day, stating that there is "no stalemate" and complained about people refusing to stay in their lanes. Two months later - he fired Zaluzhny.

I could go on and on and on...

Zelensky makes Putin look like a patient and forgiving leader. Indeed, we literally had Prigozhin daily recording videos where he called Putin an "old man" and told him frequently "to go and get f*cked", and Putin didn't do anything until the guy organized an armored convoy headed to Moscow.

Putin allowed himself to be persuaded by Surovikin to a humiliating withdrawal from Kherson, even though he had spent the months before that proclaiming that Kherson will never again leave Russia. This preserved the bulk of our forces there, and allowed them to take up more advantageous positions on the other side of the Dniepr. It's hard for me to imagine, Zelensky giving such an order that could undermine his PR pronouncements.

Instead, it's the same template every time. Calls for heroism, for even more spectacular sacrifice, and for more Western aid. This is why he is so incredibly unpopular with the top of the Ukrainian military. He throws them under the bus and always makes them into the "bad guys", when in reality objectives are being set and reinforced by the political leadership.

@Alien
And if Z doesnt pull his head out of his a$$ pretty soon, Russia will kill every Ukraine soldier and he will be running for safe haven someplace. Z needs to stop being so stupid and negotiate to save lives. He is in a worse position than France was when Hirler rolled into Paris, and no one is coming to save him.

Nothing, except that he had his plane shot down.

And then? Who's next?

There are still millions (I think) of ethnic Russians living in now independent countries....all surely awaiting liberation....

reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/1b9hw30/protectorate_of_russia/

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What do you mean by "now"? The elections in RuSSia are very close and Putin is throwing everything on Ukraine to show the RuSSian public that there are successes on the frontline.

I do think that Ukraine should focus on the defence though and stop wasting soldiers trying to make "breakthroughs" or counteroffensive, because it's pretty clear that they don't have the means to do that. If it comes to that Ukraine will have to negotiate to end this war, I think it would be better if it happened at the moment when Ukrainians will have an upper hand, so they would get better terms. Because will RuSSia even consider negotiations if they are the ones making some advances now?

Sorry, I'm not an expert on this stuff - that's just my take on it.

As I said before, Ukraine should move on from open warfare (big disadvantage because of the lack of means) to guerilla tactics (big advantage because the land is their home)!

Terrible idea. Russia has shown in Grozny and Syria how they deal with such tactics e.g. completely destroying any city that resists.

And you think negotiations are going to stop that? You don't think they're building up for an attack on the Baltics?


russia's conditions for negotiations are more or less total surrender.... (followed by mass killings according to russian state media).

No realist thinks negotiations will accomplish anything positive.

Sorry, BB, but what on Earth are you talking about? You turn to guerilla tactics when your country is already overrun by the enemy. Ukraine is fighting an open warfare to not let that happen.


I hope that death will "liberate" you soon too.


What is the alternative then? What is your solution?

Surprisingly sober take.

Many American diplomats have been saying for some time, that their goal is to give Ukraine "the best possible negotiating position".

Unfortunately, that moment was probably when Russia was withdrawing from around Kiev.

That moment could have been when Ukraine retook large parts of Kharkov Oblast in a surprise offensive.

It could have even been done after Russia's withdrawal from Kherson city.

Then Russia was on the backfoot, and there were all the ingredients to do a deal. However, Ukraine and friends misread the situation, and determined that Russia is on its last legs. They decided they don't have to talk to us, and would instead beat us outright on the battlefield.

They even made it illegal to carry out negotiations with Russia, when they were especially high on their victories.

I wrote to you some time ago that I will surprise you at some point. I haven't come to those conclusions only now...


Nope, that was the moment for the West to throw everything to Ukraine, including fighter jets. Unfortunately the West didn't have the balls to do that.


I think taking back Kherson gave people hope that liberating more territory was possible. I can't blame them for not wanting to negotiate at that time.

If everybody only wants to negotiate when they are losing, then negotiations can never happen - because somebody will always be winning. Unless, both sides are near death from exhaustion - but that has almost never happened in history.

This means that you have to be somewhat clairvoyant in regards to how things may yet turn, and have a cold-headed analysis of your available resources.

Ukraine did not do that. They got so drunk on their sense of superiority to the Russians, that they made counter-offensive plans which literally expected the Russians to pack up and run at the sight of a Leopard (read about this, I'm not joking).

They got so high off their own supply of copium, that they convinced themselves they already won. Kind of a surprising misreading of Russia, by a country that has lived by side with us for 1,000 years plus.

@Bratwurst Boy
If you want to go through life asking "who's next"? Then you wont accomplish much at all. If everyone is so hell bent on beating Russia, why dont EU countries just join the fight? I will tell you why. It is because they are unprepared for anything and counting on the US to bail everyone out. Its not going to happen. So you either negotiate and buy time to build defenses and prepare, hope that deters Russia, or you enter the fight. All the passive agressive waring is really just stupid. Funding Ukraine so the EU doesnt have to get its hands dirty and kill people?

Whos next? The EU brought this on themselves by not preparing the last 30 years. How many times do I have to ask? Who TF is going to take over if the US doesnt keep throwing away its money on this? Who? The EU cant even produce a million shells in a year after it promised to. All the green initiatives and all the tax money being collected should be building factories and producing arms. But France and Germany hope for peace at some point and Brussells is as useful as a pu$$y on a scorpion.

All the keep fighting cheer leading offers no solutions. People are dying for dirt, for what?

Russia probably has the most experience of any military in the world in dealing with insurgencies. More even than the US military after its adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq.

This is one thing, we certainly know how to do well. The tool set is well developed: mass screening at filtration points, gun amnesties, green corridors, and co-opting insurgent leaders to work for you.

Udmurtia has the most experienced military when it comes to home distilling, theft of white goods and sexual abuse of conscript farm boys.

As for dealing with insurgents then Boys in Zinc is a good book about how that worked out.

We crushed the Salafist/Wahhabist guerillas in Chechnya, despite them being supported by Saudi Arabia, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and at times Western intelligence agencies. So much so, that the son of the rebel mufti, now serves as our fierce attack dog in Ukraine.

We crushed ISIS in Syria, despite Erdogan, and the Qataris doing everything to keep them alive.

We're so good at what we do, that there's a whole new business now selling various African and Asian governments on our "regime stability" package.

Nope.....it was still Putin giving the order to invade!

You can take that blame game also to far.....or you could also say it was Poland's guilt being invaded by Nazi-Germany.....they should had been more accomodating to Hitler's demands, they could have avoided all that death and destruction!

It's a really mean and unreal viewpoint, IMHO!


That dirt is their Heimat!


I count on the pictures going global over the media to lunch time....nothing secures support more than images of dead babies and raped women!

I read that there are also Chechens in Ukraine, fighting for Ukraine against the Russians....I guess that chapter still isn't closed!

Yeah, the guys with big black beards that escaped to Sweden, Germany, the UK. Now they go to Ukraine, to be finally recycled.

Big thanks to Sweden, Germany and others for keeping these assh0les alive until they could be properly processed in Ukraine.

Know, that if they came to power in your countries, you would be living under Sharia Law, and German men would be treated as second class citizens in their own country.

Keep giving refugee visas to terrorists, it's a brilliant idea - trust me.

Here, read about the deeds of one of your heroes:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamil_Basayev?wprov=sfti1

You are talking about crushing turd world terrorists - badly fed, with no proper training and crappy soviet weapons

A Ukrainian insurgency would be fought with western weapons in a mixed terrain, not a wide open desert and against a country that is way larger than Syria or Chechnya. It would be impossible to control the cities and even harder to control forests.

Long borders with Romania and Poland would make import of weapons easy

Your crappy jets wouldn't help - they could easily be shot down by western supplied missiles.

In this hypothetical scenario, it's Russian border guards controlling these borders. Also, I would hope the governments of Poland and Romania would be more responsible in regards to flows of illicit weapons from their side of the border - at least for their own good.

That is, don't accidentally discover an insurgency brewing in Poland or Romania, after deciding to supply one in Ukraine.

If it can happen to countries like Spain and the UK (ETA & IRA), then it can certainly happen to you. Sow the wind, reap a hurricane, and all that...

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