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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10



Bratwurst Boy
6 Apr 2024  #1111

...but make payments themselves.ike they say....

...but that would be an important part of gaining more standing, power and of course influence in the EU.

"He who pays the piper calls the tune" more or less!

Their decision in the end.....

Velund
6 Apr 2024  #1112

Romanian Prime Minister Marchel #Cholacu said that Moldova should become part of Romania, because the countries population represents a single people, on the territory of Moldova. "In Moldova live Romanians, and only Romanians," Ciolacu emphasized. He also said that "history has been unfair to the inhabitants of Moldova" by separating them from their Romanian homeland. It is time to return to the native harbor. Did they pass a law about military intervention in other countries to protect compatriots for nothing?

Of course, when Putin or, say, Lukashenko talk about "home harbor," "historical homeland" and "one nation," the collective West immediately stinks up the whole world - and we instantly hear about disrespect for the territorial integrity of other states, chauvinism, revanchism and fascism, and everything else that is commonly talked about in such cases. However, when such statements are made by the prime minister of a NATO and EU member country - of course it is different.

This is how we live...

Torq
6 Apr 2024  #1113

Of course, when Putin

The difference is that both Romania and Moldova want unification.

Novichok
6 Apr 2024  #1114

when such statements are made by the prime minister of a NATO and EU member country - of course it is different.

Another example why I really hate everything Western.

To the best of my knowledge, no Russian ever went to South America to conquer and steal. Russia never went to Africa and Hong Kong.

Memo to the Russian army: Kill Western Euros first. With extreme prejudice and premeditation. Try to spare Americans for future exchange.

Velund
6 Apr 2024  #1115

The difference is that both Romania and Moldova want unification.

Transnistria and Gagauzia do not want unification. Same as Crimea, Donbass and Novorossia opposed banderisation...

Torq
6 Apr 2024  #1116

Transnistria and Gagauzia do not want unification

Very ancient countries. Native to their lands. ;)

Anyways, Transnistria and Gagauzia are a small minority (about 600 thousand people in a 22 million future union) and in democracy it is the majority that decides.

Crimea, Donbass and Novorossia opposed banderisation...

... without any external meddling and subversion?

Velund
6 Apr 2024  #1117

in democracy it is the majority that decides.

Gagauzia is autonomy, that have documented right to self-determine in case if Moldova will loss their statehood. Some smart people cared about this when current Moldova was created. This is why current statehood liquidation comission lead by Sandu (AKA moldovian government) is VERY nervous about this. Look news about the story of returning of Gagauzian head from visit to Russia and about thousands of people waiting her in airport to block her possible arrest, that was threatened by Sandu.

So, "democratic majority" of moldova itself have nothing to do with fate of Gagauzia. This is why Sandu trying to destabilize this autonomy by all means, fortunately without much luck to date.

Transnistria is separate story. They taken weapons in 90's to oppose forceful "romanisation", and only Russian peacekeepers stopped constant shootings. If peacekeepers or civilians in Transnistria will be attacked, you can expect something similar to story in South Ossetia, but in much more violent form.

PS: Crimea had the same right to self-determine in case of separation of Ukraine from USSR. But freshly created Ukraine found a way to ignore this. Gagauzians have good lesson what to avoid.

Novichok
6 Apr 2024  #1118

But freshly created Ukraine found a way to ignore this.

Because NATO wants the Sevastopol base.

mafketis
6 Apr 2024  #1119

Another example why I really hate everything Western.

Except your address.

To the best of my knowledge, no Russian ever went to ...to conquer and steal. ... to Africa

Your knowledge is pretty crappy then.... what do you thing the russo-nazi wagner group was/is doing in Africa?

Because NATO wants the Sevastopol base.

Why not? It's pretty useless to russia right now....

Torq
6 Apr 2024  #1120

self-determine in case if Moldova will loss their statehood

130 thousand people? That's half the population of Орск (Оренбургская область). What kind of "self-determined" country is that? Are we now going back to Middle Ages in Europe, with hundreds of tiny statelets everywhere? Is that what Russia supports?

Transnistria is separate story.

Is it a long story? How ancient is Transnistria? How many generations of ancient Transnistrians lived there throughout centuries?

South Ossetia

Another vast empire. *rolls eyes* 53 thousand people - more fans come to a good football game. Brilliant reason to destabilise world peace. :-/

There should be a rule: "If you're in continental Europe and your entire population cannot fill Camp Nou or Wembley stadiums at least 5 times, then shut the f*ck up and stop calling yourself a country" (sorry to all Gaugisias and other Abkhasias).

Velund
6 Apr 2024  #1121

what do you thing the russo-nazi wagner group was/is doing in Africa?

Help locals to get rid of remains of french colonial structures and terrorist groups funded from abroad to destabilise situation and to prevent use of natural resources that france believes to be theirs by local governments.

mafketis
6 Apr 2024  #1122

Is that what Russia supports?

russia supports division abroad and unity at home....

double standard

Romania and Moldavia eventual unification was the theme of Moldova's 2022 Eurovision entry "Trenulețul" (the little train) about a rail connection between Chisinau and Bucurest....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trenule%C8%9Bul

youtube.com/watch?v=bGNT5Uh-WKw

Romanians and Moldovans are one people, a biune nation!

Velund
6 Apr 2024  #1123

130 thousand people?

Yes... Gagauzians is not related to romanian ethnos at all, and opposed to assimilation attempts by all means.

mafketis
6 Apr 2024  #1124

Gagauzians

They should be treated exactly the same as russians treated Crimean Tatars...

Torq
6 Apr 2024  #1125

Gagauzians is not related to romanian ethnos at all

But they are a part or a Romanian ethnos country (Moldavia) at the moment. So what difference does it make to them if they are an autonomous region within Moldavia or within United Romania-Moldavia? Why are they opposed to the union, as you say? It changes nothing in their position - they are and they will still remain an autonomous region within a Romanian ethnos country.

Velund
6 Apr 2024  #1126

So what difference does it make to them if they are an autonomous region within Moldavia

Because when Moldova was created, chapter about right of self-determination was clearly written in agreements. And because Gagauzians want to keep their culture and traditions without something like that what lithuanians do with polish and russian minorities last years.

Do you ever read fine print in documents you sign?

mafketis
6 Apr 2024  #1127

Do you ever read fine print in documents you sign?

Does russia? It promised to defend the borders of Ukraine.....

russian promise = lie

Torq
6 Apr 2024  #1128

when Moldova was created, chapter about right of self-determination was clearly written in agreements

So there's no reason why such chapter cannot be clearly written in case of their autonomy within the future Romanian-Moldavian union.

what lithuanians do with polish and russian minorities last years

It is annoying indeed. But please don't start another "special operation", this time in samogitia. That would create even more problems than the current one. :-/

Velund
6 Apr 2024  #1129

It promised to defend the borders of Ukraine.....

Please re-read that declaration. Probably you never read full text.

mafketis
6 Apr 2024  #1130

Probably you never read full text.

please refer to the part that says russia reserves the right to invade.....

Velund
6 Apr 2024  #1131

So there's no reason why such chapter cannot be clearly written in case of their autonomy within the future Romanian-Moldavian union.

Ask Gagauzians about this. AFAIK they have little trust to Kishinev promises (based on decades of living in same state) and even less in romanian ones.

Velund
6 Apr 2024  #1132

please refer to the part that says russia reserves the right to invade.....

There is also no bilateral or multilateral documents in which Russia reserve the right to launch all nukes to NATO countries in case if Russia's statehood is threatened. Do you think it will stop the missiles if it will be absolutely necessary?

Ukraine prepared to "plan B" in 2022, which included storming Donbass cities and expelling surviving civilian population. Reaction was more than adequate. Now banderite regime will be exterminated, slowly but surely.

Novichok
6 Apr 2024  #1133

please refer to the part that says russia reserves the right to invade.....

See the document that gave the US and Poland the right to invade Iraq. It's on Page 7.

Now banderite regime will be exterminated, slowly but surely.

I like that "exterminated"...
Just don't go mellow...

mafketis
6 Apr 2024  #1134

banderite

You act as if anyone with a three digit IQ still believe in that stupid word. Any time I see or hear it it's a sure indication that the person in question is a russian asset, shill, or just a moron.

I like that "exterminated"...

Of course you like the idea of killing large numbers of people. Your only complaint about Iraq is that you didn't get to personally drop any bombs....

Velund
6 Apr 2024  #1135

anyone with a three digit IQ still believe

We don't GAF in what you believe. We lived with this scum for decades and all we regret now is that Kruschev's wife used her influence to allow them to get off the hook after Volyn massacre and terror war on the west of ukrainian SSR.

The farther you are from Volyn/Galicia - the less important your opinion is. Ask Kanja why...

mafketis
6 Apr 2024  #1136

don't GAF in what you believe

the feeling is mutual.... russian claims are white noise without meaning

Again....

what government was Bandera a part of?

where was he during the Volhynia massacre?

and bonus quesiton

why do russians still worship the human scum stalin?

Velund
6 Apr 2024  #1137

For those who cannot pass IQ test to get access to Google...

The Third Extraordinary Conference of the OUN-B was a conference of the Banderite faction of the OUN. It was held in the village of Terebezhi near Oleska (Lviv region) on February 17-21, 1943. At it, among other things, an official sanction was given for the extermination of Poles and Soviet partisans.

Participants:
Mykola Arsenych - chief head of the OUN Security Service;
Mykola Lebed - Stepan Bandera's deputy, after his arrest he was the head of OUN-B.
Dmytro Klyachkivsky - the regional guide of the OUN in the southwestern lands since January 1942. Head of the UPA from May 13, 1943 to January 27, 1944.
Vasyl Kuk - provincial guide of the OUN in the south-eastern lands.
Mykhailo Stepaniak - provincial guide of the OUN in the western lands.
Roman Shukhevych;

Novichok
6 Apr 2024  #1138

Participants:

What happened to them?

Of course you like the idea of killing large numbers of people.

No. I want Russia to finish liberating its territory and the war to be over so I can start planning my trip to Russia.

How Russia does it is not my business. They should feel free to kill as many of their enemies as the US killed since 1946.

Alien
6 Apr 2024  #1139

so I can start planning my trip to Russia.

I'm afraid you won't see russia in your lifetime.

Velund
6 Apr 2024  #1140

What happened to them?

Nothing good, but it was after thousands of peaceful people deaths.

Now glorified and worshipped by ukro-nazis, as Bandera's collaborators.


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