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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10



Novichok
8 Apr 2024  #1201

I just got up feeling good and what do I see?... jon...all over...Fortunately, there is PAK.

This is an article that asks all the important questions about Ukraine aid

Here are the first four and the answers:

The first should be: Can you define what constitutes victory in this war? No, we have no fvcking idea...

Does it require Ukraine recapturing all its internationally recognized territory, as President Zelensky and others maintain? And risk a nuke war with Russia? Are you fvcking nuts?

Or can victory be defined more simply as preventing the collapse of the current government? They already collapsed. The question is when do we pull the plug.

What do we mean by providing Ukraine aid "as long as it takes"? Nobody knows. As long Americans are not attacking DC we will print and spend because we can.

See: Why dogs lick their balls.


The Biden administration should provide actual analysis, based on U.S. national interests, and not simply Ukrainian government talking points. They would if they were men.

Unfortunately, the US is run by transgender women: If it feels good, do it and never mind that toxic masculinity - like planning. Planning...hahahahahahaha...


Novichok
8 Apr 2024  #1202

UK to pressure US House speaker on Ukraine aid - Telegraph
British Foreign Secretary David Cameron will urge Mike Johnson to stop blocking the support for Kiev


Cameron will fly to Washington, DC next week to meet with Johnson, as well as US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, the Telegraph said.

Dear God, If you love this country as much as I do, make that plane burst into flames and kill this POS.
Amen.

Novichok
8 Apr 2024  #1203

From the article PAK mentioned earlier...

During the Cold War, wasn't it U.S. doctrine to implicitly threaten to use tactical nuclear weapons ... to deter a conventional attack by the Warsaw Pact?

If those threats were credible, why would Putin not consider using tactical nuclear weapons if he were facing a conventional defeat in which Ukraine threatened to retake Crimea and the Donbas, areas Russia now considers part of its territory?


The answer: Using nukes to defend "freedom and democracy" 5000 miles away is OK. Using nuke to defend Russia is not OK. Simple.

Novichok
8 Apr 2024  #1204

Polish president pours cold water on fears of Russian attack

Poland is unlikely to be attacked by Russia in the near future, President Andrzej Duda has said in an interview with a national newspaper published on Monday. His comments come after several Polish officials claimed the country is facing an imminent threat from Moscow.


My question for now is why the fvck do I have to go RT to get this information? Why is it not on the front page of NYT?

I apologize for asking rhetorical questions...I know it's annoying...

johnny reb
8 Apr 2024  #1205

Putin not consider using tactical nuclear weapons if he were facing a conventional defeat in which Ukraine threatened to retake Crimea and the Donbas,

Yes, desperate measures by a desperate man.
The revelation that Russian forces have been making widespread use of CS gas, a chemical banned under the Chemical Weapons Convention, should be a horrific wake up call to the West and Nato that no weapons are off limits for Vladimir Putin.

Novichok
8 Apr 2024  #1206

As I said before...Never corner a desperate man with nukes.
That was from Confucius...

Miloslaw
8 Apr 2024  #1207

...Never corner a desperate man with nukes.

And Putin is a desperate man and crazy enough to set off a nuclear war, in which North America,Europe and Russia would not survive.

Leaving China,Africa South America and Australasia to control the world......in that scenario, China would control the world.....

johnny reb
8 Apr 2024  #1208

...Putin is a desperate man and crazy enough to set off a nuclear

Did you see who tried to set off the nukes first by Ukraine attacking the nuclear plant trying to blow it up ?
(hint) It wasn't Russia.
Hey, is Putin still alive or is that a double.
Wasn't he supposed to be dead by Christmas and be running out of missiles ?

Novichok
8 Apr 2024  #1209

Putin should visit the Pentagon and ask about shock and awe.
This damn was is taking way too long.

Velund
9 Apr 2024  #1210

Putin should visit the Pentagon

Too many honor to all that LGBTQWERTY gang in stupid uniforms...

Novichok
9 Apr 2024  #1211

Good point, Velund. Just trying to help Russia win this war earlier.
He could tell faggots to stay the fvck away or just avoid the DEI offices.

Novichok
9 Apr 2024  #1212

I appreciate Russia's problem and its natural aversion to killing your Ukrainian brothers. In most wars, we try to dehumanize the enemy first.
In this one, it's a lot harder...Just as in the Civil War...

Velund
9 Apr 2024  #1213

He could tell

He already told. In Munchen, Feb 10, 2007... No need to repeat. Those who think it was joke will make Darwin smiling...

Novichok
9 Apr 2024  #1214

What did he say then?

Velund
9 Apr 2024  #1215

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Munich_speech_of_Vladimir_Putin - just as a reference, resource itself is not very reputable. I think full text should be somewhere.

Novichok
9 Apr 2024  #1216

From the best news source in this Galaxy - RT:

WATCH Russian missile obliterate Ukrainian drone factory
The facility, used to manufacture and store heavy kamikaze UAVs, has been entirely destroyed, drone footage shows


Velund, FYI, the war has disappeared from the American network evening news programs. My best guess is that things are going badly for Z.

Under these conditions, getting another 60B to keep the grinder going may be harder than ever. Hence the order to keep quiet...

Thanks for the link.

Novichok
9 Apr 2024  #1217

Latvia has been one of the most outspoken advocates of imposing EU sanctions on Russian grain, citing the Ukraine conflict.
This has not stopped Latvia from increasing its agricultural imports from Russia by almost 40% compared to the first quarter of 2023.


Conclusion: Everything coming from NATO is a lie. Sanctions....hahahahahaha...

Novichok
9 Apr 2024  #1218

When 24 of 32 NATO members still fail to meet the 2% minimum for NATO defense, I do not see why we should continue to pay. If Europe does not care about something on THEIR borders, then why should we?

The above quote makes sense so it was written by an American, not a Euro, I guess...

PolAmKrakow
9 Apr 2024  #1219

Vlad is not desperate at all. Anyone thinking that nonsense does not understand how methodical he is. Desperation is in Ukraine, and in the US oval office. Speaker Johnson will bring an aid package to congress this week. The question is, will the Democrats support it, or risk losing face internationally by not supporting it. If the democrats do not support it, how does sleepy Joe explain this to Ukraine and NATO?

Meanwhile, Ukraine allegedly hit a Russian ship in the Baltic with some attack. If true, something or someone had to get to that ship through a NATO country or NATO controlled waters, and that is a big provocation IMO.

cms neuf
9 Apr 2024  #1220

What are you talking about ? Ukraine is at war and they can and should hit North Nigeria anywhere on earth.

Ukrainian agents are free to walk around the Baltic states, just as North Nigerian spies have worked for many years in all western countries

amiga500
9 Apr 2024  #1221

Ukraine is at war and they can and should hit North Nigeria anywhere on earth.

Even the Nuclear power plants? You should stop making bombastic absolutist statements.
These chicken hawks are most irritating. like reading cgnorno but flipped..

mafketis
9 Apr 2024  #1222

Vlad is not desperate at all.

Partly true since he is not motivated by the wellbeing of russian citizens at all.

johnny reb
9 Apr 2024  #1223

the wellbeing of russian citizens

Not the half of million of them that Vlad has used for cannon fodder anyways.

PolAmKrakow
9 Apr 2024  #1224

@cms neuf
Ok, and what if Vlad discovers, or someone from the Ba;tioc region says they allowed or assisted Ukraine in making this war time effort? Think Vlad wouldnt strike back? Ukraine can fight Russia in Russia and in Ukraine. But doing anything that could potantially escalate things for a NATO member or for NATO is simply fvcking stupid. Z should be told to stay out of the Baltic region completely. All the armchair quaterbacking about killing Russians anywhere is no better than Vlad killing his opponents anywhere. Under your thinking, a Russian spy in Poland is a legitimate war time bombing target.

@johnny reb
Thats right JR. Vlad doesnt GAF about killing his own people, and thats why he is not desperate. Russia has never left a war, or ended a war without losing a million or more people. Never in their history on this continent. A half million is a starting point for Vlad.

In seven months the US is likely to have Trump back in office. Ukraine has a very small window left to make something happen. When this 60 billion comes from congress, Z better be ready and better have a real plan, or Z will be looking for a condo in Miami.

cms neuf
9 Apr 2024  #1225

What are you talking about ?

Who gives a flying duck what "Vlad" AKA Putler thinks about it - he is a murdering rapist and his opinion does not matter

Didn't North Nigerians recently bump off a traitor pilot in Spain - not by poison but machine gunned him in a parking garage. In my opinion fair enough. Spain is a NATO country. So Ukrainians operating in the Baltic is exactly the same.

I have no idea where this idea comes from, that Ukraine has to fight a battle for survival with one hand always tied behind its back. That he should follow an arbitrary set of rules that North Nigeria ignores and even mocks.

And yes Ukraine can deal with any North Nigerian spies in Poland for all I care. So long as no Poles are hurt.

cms neuf
9 Apr 2024  #1226

North Nigeria's Chechen allies, fresh from being defeated on the battlefield, have now banned dancing, just like in Footloose

theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/09/chechnya-bans-dance-music-either-too-fast-slow

Ironside
9 Apr 2024  #1227

Vlad is not desperate at all

Of course not. He thinks that the West is rotten inside, weak and that Russia and China will win.

PolAmKrakow
9 Apr 2024  #1228

@Ironside
The West is rotting from within. Thats just my opinion though.

@cms neuf
So if spies anywhere are fair game, its fair to say Vlad would be justified in killing these Ukraine spies in Poland or any other NATO country? And if its one thing we all know about war, is that innocents, civilians always get hurt or killed. As for the Spain killing, the guy was an idiot to give up his protection. Stupid is as stupid does. In Barcelona of all places where Russians stick out like an African at a Klan meeting.

cms neuf
9 Apr 2024  #1229

Whether he's justified or not Putler is doing it and will continue to.

They have killed their enemies in the UK, Germany, Spain, Italy and I'm sure plenty of other places.

Nor do they care about any collateral damage. British pensioners were killed in the Salisbury attack for example.

I see you have adopted the typical North Nigerian modus operandi. That the guy deserved it - just like the poor hostess who Putler blew out of the skies. And for that matter just like the 200 people who just went to watch a concert and then were allowed to burn to death while the special forces were stuck in traffic.

jon357
9 Apr 2024  #1230

That the guy deserved it - just like the poor hostess who Putler blew out of the skies

Weak people like to get hard over the idea of a strong leader. Putler is however more vicious than strong; he's certainly one of the most prolific mass murderers of our age, from the Apartment Bombings through Chechnya to Bucha and beyond, he's directly and indirectly responsible for a huge body count.


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